Just days after Josh McDowell created of firestorm over comments about black and minority families at the American Association of Christian Counselors conference in Orlando, Fl, he announced a pause from his ministry. This announcement came on Twitter earlier today:
Statement directly from Josh McDowell: pic.twitter.com/bLbU2eXoE3
— Josh McDowell (@josh_mcdowell) September 22, 2021
McDowell cited the leadership of the campus ministry Cru as being involved in the decision. I speculate that McDowell’s comments damaged their work on campuses around the nation.
Last Saturday night (Sept 18) McDowell spoke at the American Association of Christian Counselors conference in Orlando, FL. He gave a speech decrying critical race theory and social justice. A friend of Central Baptist College professor Aaron New who was at the conference and in McDowell’s plenary session related an offensive quote which Dr. New posted on Twitter. I posted the relevant audio clip which set off a torrent of negative reaction. The next day McDowell issued an apology (see below).
I’m sitting here kinda stunned. I have a friend at the @theaacc World Conference.
And in his tirade against CRT, @josh_mcdowell just said this:
“Black people don’t have access to opportunities, they say. But it’s because they weren’t raised to value education and hard work.”
— Aaron New (@DrAaronNew) September 18, 2021
The audio:
Here is the clip in question; not dramatically different. https://t.co/TqqX02GyqQ pic.twitter.com/PL4RjrFHoC
— Warren I Got the Shotmorton (@wthrockmorton) September 19, 2021
In the clip, McDowell said:
Everybody says blacks, whites everybody has equal opportunity to make it in America. No they don’t, folks. I do not believe Blacks, African-Americans or other minorities have equal opportunities. Why? Most of them grew up in families where there is not a great emphasis on education, security. You can do anything you want; you can change the world. If you work hard, you will make it. So many African-Americans don’t have those privileges like I did. My folks weren’t very rich, in fact, they were a poor farming family. But the way I was raised, I had advantages in life ingrained into me. You can do it! Get your education! Get a job! Change the world! And that makes different opportunities.
McDowell’s statement:
A statement from Josh McDowell: pic.twitter.com/MhYaL2iA28
— Josh McDowell (@josh_mcdowell) Sespeech ptember 19, 2021
I wrote this last Sunday:
To me, this rings a little hollow since McDowell didn’t address his bombastic criticism of structural racism. In his statements, he completely ignored the actual reasons for lack of equity in opportunity. He told us in his apology what he didn’t mean, but he didn’t tell us what he did mean. He spent the first 10 minutes of his AACC speech blasting the concept of structural impediments to equity. So Mr. McDowell, what is the reason for lack of equal opportunity?
I hope this incident will be a teachable moment for white evangelicals who have mindlessly accepted the word of their talking heads about CRT. Brother Josh sees through a glass darkly, but he isn’t all the way to a clear view yet. I hope his awakening will be more than from a PR nightmare..
It appears that Mr. McDowell and those around him believe this incident will require more than an apology. Good for them. I hope they really will listen and learn.
Josh McDowell was not only one at the AACC conference who displayed antagonism toward systemic understanding of racism. I continue to call on Tim Clinton and the AACC to respond as well.
Hat tip – Bob Smietana, Religion News Service
Some of the words sound right almost like a repentance….. His apology he went over it with lawyers oh, I reckon, pretty much that’s how these guys roll they’re in business you know doing damage control when their CEOs get into riffing and groovin on the caca that’s really in their heads reveals hidden dark motives, hidden even from themselves! Eventually evil motives come to the surface come to the light Hallelujah! Please pray for this ministry… All that depart from the name of Jesus might return…. This ministry will do it! Pray that God’s good intentions will become manifest some day for someone touched by this ministry. My humble! Live in the solution putting these people down is not the solution! Praying for their true repentance and connection reconnection to God’s purpose for their existence will do your own soul good not to mention for the reasons why lest ye be judged? oh well suit yourself!
CRT seriously undermines the existence of internal problems that are pervasive in the Black community, especially those that emerged after segregation. Because it blames it entirely on the legacy of racism, this is a very biased theory.
I doubt you actually understand enough about CRT to make such a comment.
How does studying the effect of the history of racism in the US “undermine” the existence of the problems the theory is actually studying?
Can you cite a reputable source on CRT that claims it “blames it ENTIRELY on the legacy of racism”?
TV’s own comment history reveals he knows nothing about CRT. He thinks his lies and false accusations are acceptable behaviors
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Let me, please, clarify something. By “internal problems that are pervasive in the Black community, especially those that emerged after segregation,” I meant all those negative things associated with the Black community that were mentioned in this thread already, like high crime rates and absence of fathers, for example.
This is a book about systemic racism:
https://www.amazon.com/Black-Kids-Sitting-Together-Cafeteria/dp/0465091296/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
In this book, the author although mentions those problems, still views them as the outcomes of American white racist legacy, which are slavery and segregation. I personally believe that a disparity between Blacks and Whites in America is a result of slavery and segregation, but not to a such a great extent as Dr. Tatum claims.
However, even Tatum doesn’t claim the problems are “ENTIRERLY on the legacy racism” does she?
This sort of hyperbolic misrepresentation of CRT is a large part of the problem in discussions of racial issues. Along with things like “CRT says all whites are racist” and other such nonsense. Generally these comments are used to avoid any serious discussion about the racial problems (and its origins) in the US and/or to stir-up misguided sentiments against CRT.
If you are going to use the tactics of right-wing demagogues, don’t be surprised if you get treated like them.
In her book, Tatum makes a distinguishment between individual or social racism and the systemic racism. She claims that whites as much as blacks can be racists to each other by showing individual prejudices and bigotry. However, according to her, systemic racism is different, it is a system of legal and economic advantages that came as a result of slavery and segregation sought to benefit whites over blacks, and that whites are still benefiting from it, often without realizing it. The premise of this book is that while not all whites are individual racists but all whites and not blacks are inadvertently participating in systemic racism.
Why I get the systemic racism part but also think it can go both ways, if circumstances fit, we had a discussion last year:
/2020/06/03/eric-metaxas-brings-back-katie-whitelivesmatter-hopkins/
Once again to be clear, Tatum doesn’t say that CRT claims the problems in black communities are based “ENTIRELY on the legacy of racism”, correct?
While Tatum barely acknowledges the internal problems in the African-American community, she still holds the systemic racism, including the legacy of slavery , as a tremendous impact on those problems.
And I agree with Tatum, systemic racism does have a tremendous impact on the problems in minority communities (and not just black ones, in my opinion).
However what YOU said was:
“Because it (CRT) blames it entirely on the legacy of racism, this is a very biased theory.”
And when I asked for a source of this claim, you cited Tatum. But Tatum doesn’t claim “CRT blames it entirely on the legacy of racism” does she?
Tatum is a critical race theorist from the position of psychology because she writes about systemic racism.
Again you avoid answering a simple question.
does Tatum claim “CRT blames it (the problems with Black communities in the US) entirely on the legacy of racism”?
I think it’s fair to say that Tatum does not deny individual poor choices that people in the Black community tend to make, it is still systemic racism, which carries the legacy of slavery and segregation that influences them to make those poor choices. Remember, she writes it as a psychologist.
so back to my original question:
Can you cite a reputable source on CRT that claims it “blames it (problems in black communities) ENTIRELY on the legacy of racism”?
Fine, CRT may not be blaming the problems in the Black community on systemic racism, they still claim that the legacy of slavery and segregation is the main cause of those problems. That no matter what could be wrong within the Black community, it is nothing compared to the existence of the systemic racism which still continues today and where Whites are still benefiting from it. That’s what I got out of reading Tatum’s book and of other critical race theorists.
And if you had said something like this to begin with rather than your hyperbole about CRT we wouldn’t have wasted all that bandwidth on it.
Do you think racism is a serious problem in the US?
How significant do you think systemic racism is in the problems facing blacks (and other minorities) in the US today? What other issues do you think are contributing to these problems and how significant do you think these other issues are?
Josh McDowell shows the world how little he understands about CRT, about systemic racism, about scripture. His retirement from such ministry of ignorance is long overdue.
Sadly, he is not the only one.
And another celebrity sticks his foot in his mouth by being too honest! This happens more frequently when they get old. These guys do not know what retirement is for it means stepping out of the spotlight which is something they refuse to do. They all leverage what they can for attention. Jesus is not the focus but how smart the celeb is.
If only Josh McDowell had focused his “ministry” on Jesus, this entire episode would never have happened.
So his characterization of black families was wrong but this isn’t a criticism of CRT/Systemic. In other words one can disagree with CRT/Systemic racism and disagree with his remarks.
I think a heartfelt apology is all that is needed but it’s apparent that you and others will require him to make an eternal pilgrimage on his knees for his penance.
How sad.
However, maybe if McDowell knew more about CRT and the effects of systemic racism, he might not have made those remarks.
CRT/Systemic racism is just as much a part of the problem. The attitude that racism is such a normal part of society has lead to the so called discussion of race on all sides to be conducted in less than charitable manner.
Only by those who are already unwilling to discuss/address the problems of racism in the US.
And I agree with you, systemic racism is a huge problem in the US (and many other countries as well).
“Unwilling to discuss/ address” translated means unwilling to accept the veracity of so called systemic racism. You see an actual discussion is between those of differing viewpoints. Denying CRT/SR is tantamount to denying an article of faith. It’s unacceptable.
I didn’t say it was a huge problem here. I’m saying the very opposite.
yes, they are refusing to acknowledge or even discuss the issues of racism in this country. that is the problem.
Refusing to accept facts is a huge part of the problem. I don’t see these people as being much different than those who deny evolutionary theory, or the “veracity” that the universe is > 6000 years old.
Wrong. Acknowledging that there has been racism is not the issue. It’s this idea of “systemic racism” which tells us that racism is everywhere. That we are perpetuating racism just by participating in institutions no matter our own hatred of racism.
This ideology tells us that racism is normal and still a problem. No it isn’t. Racism is on the social margins today. Are there still bigots? Sure and always will. But CRT/SR requires us to never acknowledge the great improvements we have and should continue to make.
So I was right. Having a discussion means “please sit quietly as we sermonize you”. There is an ideologically controlled narrative that is driving this. Not facts.
““systemic racism” which tells us that racism is everywhere.”
No, that is a mis-characterization of the term “systemic racism”.
“systemic racism” refers to society or organizational structures that have a bias (for or against) groups based on race. it doesn’t mean this bias is caused by deliberate racism (although it could be).
A current example of this sort of bias is “Missing white woman syndrome” where there is a demonstrable bias in the media towards coverage of white woman who go missing as opposed to other classes of people who are missing.
“This ideology tells us that racism is normal and still a problem.”
Again you mis-charaterize the situation. Racial bias is still a huge problem in this (and many other countries). Simply because it isn’t as bad as it was in the days of slavery doesn’t mean racism isn’t still a problem.
CRT studies how historical overt racism, has shaped the systemic racism of today.
I stand by my description. You only reinforced it perfectly. I made it very clear that SR means that institutions are racist not because of the people but the institution. You write, “that have a bias(for or against) groups based on race. Yes, racism. That’s why it’s called “systemicRacism go figure.
So that’s why I said “no matter our own hatred of racism” because I know that SR doesn’t require that kind of overt racism.
You merely assert that racial bias exists because of the supposed missing blonde syndrome where one can only assert a racial bias. The fact is that missing black children are alerted to the public all the time. But even so no evidence of bias just your assertion.
Racism is most certainly nowhere near the problem it is in the past. Not even close. There will always be bigots as I said but CRT/SR require you to deny any serious progress. That’s the very dangers of it.
“I stand by my description.”
Of course you “stand by your description.” Because your description allows you to simply dismiss it without actually having to address the issue.
Do you deny that systemic racism exists in the US?
“Missing white woman syndrome” is not simply an “assertion.” there is at least one study on the issue. Also, you again mischaracterize what it is. It doesn’t claim that minorities (and men) don’t get any media coverage, it is that they don’t get the same amount of media coverage (in terms of the amount of news coverage and how widespread).
I never claimed there was no progress made on racism (nor do I believe does CRT). I say it is not enough. Racism is still a very serious problem in this country. Whereas you seem to want to dismiss it because, there is no slavery any more.
I stand by it because you simply reinforced what I said and said nothing substantially different than what I said. That’s why.
Yes I deny the core claims of SR. Absolutely. The idea that institutions are structured on racial biases today. Absolutely I deny it.
I understood your claim about the white blonde syndrome argument and my point stands. What we see is more national coverage perhaps but that isn’t a racial bias issue.
Perhaps you don’t claim it but CRT of necessity must lead to it if racism is so wedded to our institutions even today. Im sure many CRT proponents will say we’ve inched forward a little but that’s it.
You blatantly lied about me. I never brought slavery and never implied such a notion. I said very specifically that of course racism still exists and always will but yes it’s not a pandemic. Absolutely. The facts don’t support you.
“What we see is more national coverage perhaps but that isn’t a racial bias issue.’
So you admit that there is a situation where difference in coverage is clearly based on race, yet you claim there is not racial bias?
“I understood your claim about the white blonde syndrome argument”
I’m sure you do, that is why you keep twisting what is said to avoid the reality of it. the word isn’t “blonde” it is “white“. You have deliberately changed the word to make it sound like it is the hair color rather than skin color that is the discriminating factor And that just isn’t true. Your childish word games are designed to try to hide the fact that it is a racial bias (and in part a gender bias), that you don’t want to admit. These word games aren’t going to work here.
“I never brought slavery and never implied such a notion.”
Sure you implied it, when you claimed racism was “no where near the problem it is in the past.”
Slavery is the worst example of racism the US (and many other countries) has had. So to complain about me using it as an example of past racism rings hollow. Esp. given your word games trying to minimize the problems of racism today.
Correct. Unlike you I don’t see a shred of evidence of racial bias. I also said “perhaps”. It may be the case but even granting the possibility no need to conclude racial bias is a factor. None. It’s a conclusion you come to but only because one is inclined to already. You’re determined to see it. You have to see it.
You are a truly pathetic individual to somehow claim I’m trying to “deliberately” twist the name of the label. If I added blonde it wasn’t to twist anything. I may have misremembered the name and added it but to claim I did so on purpose is more and indication of the kind of mindset you’re operating under. A very emotionally unhinged one.
To show how much of a mouth breather you are you said I “changed” the word. You’re a liar. I didn’t change anything. I added the word blonde but I wrote “white blonde syndrome argument…”. So I don’t know where you’re getting that I was changing this from skin to hair. You’re frenzied fury is destroying and sense of reason in you. In the past I do remember reading how others noticed this trend for some missing white people. The blonde feature. If anything I emphasized the whiteness of this particular claim.
Your the only using deceitful and underhanded tactics here. I NEVER implied anything about slavery!
You said that I dismiss the idea that racism isn’t a problem because we don’t have slavery anymore. That is you fabricating this out of thin air. I said nothing to imply it but you need to lie about it because it makes your job easier instead of dealing with what I wrote. Instead you have to read your notions into what I said.
I said that it’s nowhere the problem of the past. I acknowledge that racism was horrible long after abolition.
It’s amazing how you can make things up about what Im saying. Im not minimizing anything. You are unable to see reality and have a rational perspective.
“It’s a conclusion you come to but only because one is inclined to already.”
No it is a conclusion that can be arrived at based on the data.
In addition to the study I cited, CNN also reports (based on FBI crime stats) how Blacks make up a disproportionate percentage of active missing persons cases. Blacks make up 31% of active missing person cases, but only 13% of the US population. While whites make up 54% of active missing person cases, but 74% of the US population. As I said, this is just one example of statistical data showing racial disparities in the US. You can find such disparities in several different places: housing, employment, criminal justice system, education. All of which point to a form of systemic racial bias in US society. Evidence you don’t seem to be willing to examine.
“I wrote “white blonde syndrome argument…” ”
no, you originally wrote (in your post last night):
“the supposed missing blonde syndrome where one can only assert a racial bias”
where you switched skin color for hair color. then said “white, blonde”. Which again, the word “blonde” was never used by me or in the links I cited.
So if you weren’t talking about slavery when you said:
“Racism is most certainly nowhere near the problem it is in the past.”
what were you referring to by past racism?
And to be clear. do you think racism is a serious problem in the US today?
The conclusions are arrived at because we look at data from a preconceived notions especially when it comes to race. From the data you want to import an entire ideology of SR. How we look at data will always be approached by our interpretative paradigms. This isn’t a shock to anyone except to those who think data admits of only one interpretation. In other words the dogmatic.
Ok so you admit I used “white”. The question is did I do so for some devious reason? Of course not but true to your character you impugn the worst motive because that’s the world you live in. I also talked after using missing blonde about black children so any reasonable person would know I had white people in mind especially since the vast majority if not all blondes are white.
Also you apparently understood me quite well since after I used “missing blonde” you didn’t get so riled and frenzied about it until after my next post where I did say missing white blonde. So you understood me perfectly well and the fact that I used both expression clearly show that I had Caucasians in mind. Your pathetic and baseless accusation supports my point that you have to see the worst in everything and one because that’s the purely cynical world you live in. You find insignificant details like my phrasing and you say “Ah ha! Caught you you weasel!”
I’m going to explain this one more time and if you still don’t get it I’m going to let you stare at the words and figure it out yourself.
You accuse me of believing that I don’t think racism is a problem because we don’t have slavery anymore. In other words the mere absence of slavery is why I don’t believe racism isn’t a problem. That’s your accusation of me.
NO. Racism isn’t the problem of the past because of the progress we have made throughout history from abolition until today. We have had Jim Crow of the South we’ve had all sorts of social racism in the North as well. The existence of slavery isn’t required to have racial problems. I explain this previously.
You don’t seem to have any sense that there can be degrees of moral improvement or that social ills can exist without its source.
You need to work on that. It’s important for reading comprehension. You keep blatantly misrepresenting me altogether.
No, racism isn’t a serious problem it was in the past. We will always have racism but they are not in the halls of power whether in industry, government, tech, entertainment, etc. where it rears it’s rare ugly bead we should deal with it harshly.
“How we look at data will always be approached by our interpretative paradigms.”
and what is YOUR interpretation of the data I cited?
Do you understand how statistical data is used to advance knowledge in various scientific disciplines?
“The question is did I do so for some devious reason?”
so why did you initially replace the word “white” with the word “blonde”? And why did you later repeat the word “blonde”?
“You don’t seem to have any sense that there can be degrees of moral improvement”
No I’m quite familiar with the fact that there can be degrees of moral improvement.
Now, I can’t tell if were trying to answer my question in all of that or not, so I’m going to ask again, and perhaps you can be a bit clearer (maybe cut/paste the question and then your answer).
do you think racism is a serious problem in the US today?
Yes I’m very familiar with how data can confirm our biases. The initial research into this topic is very sparse as even the paper you linked acknowledges. My view is that suggesting a racial bias is premature.Couldit be the case? Possibly but I’m open to other conclusions as more look into it. You on the other hand are wedded to only one conclusion because your biases require it. You will interpret any contrary views away.
I did no such thing! I didn’t replace anything. I did the opposite. I added the word white to the phrase “missing blonde”. I explained this to you already! I used “missing blonde…” and you said nothing. In a follow up post I then added “missing white blonde…”. That’s when you lost control and thought I was being sneaky. I added white to the phrase. Why did I ask initially do so without it? Because I thought any reasonable person knew I was talking about caucasians even when I wasn’t using the more commonly called used phrase. But then again I’m dealing with you.
I answered your last question for the umpteenth time. It was as direct and unambiguous. At this point your inability to see my answer right in front of you is not my problem. It’s yours.
Lets follow your claims on the topic of “missing white woman syndrome.”
1st you claimed it was just my assertion and there was no evidence. Btw, the phrase is attributed to Gwen Ifill I didn’t create it. and you re-wrote the phrase to be “missing blonde syndrome” which you still haven’t answered WHY you changed the phrase.
Then when I showed this wasn’t “just an assertion” but there was data to support it, you claimed basically claimed the data can be interpreted differently. So when I ask you for your interpretation of it, you don’t have one. You just dismiss, not my interpretation, but the interpretation of many other people who actually research such topics. Further, you have ignored the fact that I pointed out this was just ONE example out of a great deal of data demonstrating racial disparities in a variety of different areas.
What do you think the term “systemic racism” means? And what would you consider to be actual proof of its existence?
And no you have not answered my question in a “direct and unambiguous” way. If you had I wouldn’t have needed to ask it again. Which I’ll try one more time.
do you think racism is a serious problem in the US today?
and please respond with either:
“Yes I think racism is a serious problem in the US today …”
or
“No, I don’t think racism is a serious problem in the US today …”
where the “…” is any other exposition you might have. THAT would be a direct and unambiguous way to answer my question.
Again you can’t seem to follow my line of reasoning. Let me help you out. I’m saying your conclusions that there is racial bias is not supported by the data. Not that there is no data. You can’t see a trend and make a definitive conclusion like that.
So nice try in doing what you have been doing up to now namely claiming to say what I didn’t.
I have no idea why you’re so hung up on the blonde phrasing. You ignored everything I said and pretended I didn’t address it. You have a nasty habit of acting like I didn’t answer it and think by saying “I didn’t address it” that makes it so.
Again, you accuse me of being devious in changing the wording to include “white” even before your tirade. So your baseless and utterly pathetic claim that I’m being weasley is ridiculous. To reiterate what I already wrote most blondes are white and I remember this came up during the Natalie Holloway case when others also noted this trait for some. I used the more commonly used “missing white…” in a subsequent post. If I was being so deceptive why would I leave the previous wording up? Hmm? Why?
I wasn’t trying to remember the phrase exactly but used what I had remembered. But of course there has to be some underhanded no good motives involved. But that’s exactly what the psychology you’re operating under requires. Zero in on something and just read into it all sorts of bad motives. So this is the second time I’ve answered it.
You’re amazingly obtuse. I answered your last question almost verbatim as one of your two options that for a moment I thought you were quoting me. Im not going to do reading for you go back about 4 posts previous. But I’ll do anyway since it won’t matter. You’ll pretend I didn’t answer so you can once again say. “But you didn’t so that why I have to ask”.
I wrote, “ No, racism isn’t a serious problem it was in the past. We will always have racism but they are not in the halls of power whether in industry, government, tech, entertainment, etc. where it rears it’s rare ugly bead we should deal with it harshly.”
You ask you wouldn’t have needed to ask if I didn’t answer. Another possibility is that you aren’t reading what I’m saying accurately on purpose or carelessly or you want me to give you the answer you want to hear.
If you asked me 2+2 and I answered 4 you’d still say I didn’t answer.
do you think racism is a serious problem in the US today?
and please respond with either:
“Yes I think racism is a serious problem in the US today …”
or
“No, I don’t think racism is a serious problem in the US today …”
where the “…” is any other exposition you might have.
You know you almost need a theory to understand the ghettoisation, rampant poverty, social issues and incarceration in the black community.
Maybe something like Critical Race Theory.
Of course because that’s the only theory right. It’s the only possible one nothing else.
You have yet to provide a viable alternative.
I’m not attempting to. Point is you can’t make a automatic resort to a racial basis either.
Yes, we can. Because we can see the data, that shows a racial bias in employment, housing, education, courts, etc.
btw, you never answered my question:
do you think racism is a serious problem in the US today?
and please respond with either:
“Yes I think racism is a serious problem in the US today …”
or
“No, I don’t think racism is a serious problem in the US today …”
where the “…” is any other exposition you might have.
And of course you have another theory….
Let me guess, black people are just normally violent, stupid and lazy, according to you.
We get the same over here after committing genocide against the black population then sticking them in remote communities and stealing their kids from them to raise them the white way.
People like you, then say why don’t they act like us whities.
So you believe that’s my take on it? That’s what I would say according to you? I guess caricaturing and misrepresenting what those with whom you disagree would make it easier and more convenient for you to make your arguments.
Your not a serious individual.
Based on your “arguments” here, it isn’t hard to see why some might think that of you.
Based on cartoonish caricatures of my views it’s possible to come to any sill and stupid conclusions.
No, based on the things you have said (and refuse to say) regarding CRT and race.
Let’s get this right you have no answer to suffering and oppression other than the pithy and trite “just accept Jesus as your lord and saviour”. Stiff shit if you’ve been born into generations of poverty.
Why is your religion so useless?
Because they have made themselves so Spiritual they have cut themselves off from Reality.
You’re unhinged and irrational. No way to interact with you on the level of the normal.
Right, because an abstract theory isn’t answer. It can’t be real concrete issues that have to do with choices and behaviors that have nothing to do with racism.
Because incarcerations, poverty, etc is explained by CRT. Ok, got it.
CRT isn’t an “abstract theory.” It is examination of the history of racism in the US and its current day impacts, including how it has contributed to current day bias in incarceration, wealth, housing, etc.
And again:
do you think racism is a serious problem in the US today?
and please respond with either:
“Yes I think racism is a serious problem in the US today …”
or
“No, I don’t think racism is a serious problem in the US today …”
where the “…” is any other exposition you might have.
Yeah but What Would Jesus Do?
Obviously join the Pharisees.
Yes, black people chose to be born into poverty just like Trump chose to be born to a millionaire.
Why are you f##ked in the head?
Is that a choice you’ve made or has your religion made you that way?
I’ll offer what I think are three specific examples of systemic racism.
1. Sen. Tim Scott, back in 2016, stated that he had been stopped by police *18 times* for no apparent reason other than “driving while Black.”
https://www.newsweek.com/tim-scott-wants-police-reform-because-hes-been-stopped-18-times-driving-while-black-1588150
2. Blacks and Latinos are charged more for mortgages than white borrowers with comparable credit histories.
http://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/morse/research/papers/discrim.pdf
3. Black and white Americans sell and use drugs at similar rates, but black Americans are 2.7 times as likely to be arrested for drug-related offenses.
https://www.hamiltonproject.org/charts/rates_of_drug_use_and_sales_by_race_rates_of_drug_related_criminal_justice
If you’re right that systemic racism isn’t a thing, you should be able to provide an alternative explanation for each of the above. Can you?
3a. Black male offenders received sentences on average 19.1 percent longer than similarly situated White male offenders and other sentencing disparities.
How many affluent black suburbs are there in the USA?
Put a sock in it. Seriously. CRT arose out of professors in law school analyzing the structure of laws that kept Black people “in their place” for decades, and these laws continue to do so. But do go on with your white privilege. /signed, so white I’d be blinding if I didn’t have the freckles.
Perhaps he will take his time out of the spotlight to learn about them? Not likely, though.
We’ve gotten “heartfelt apologies” from such people for decades, and nothing else to show for it. Dressing the wounds of God’s people lightly is a sure sign of a false prophet.
So my OP is right. McDowell will be self flagellating for the rest of his life. Ok, just so we’re clear.
Nah, he deserved to be horsewhipped by everyone for his bs.
Josh McDowell and his followers are not accustomed to accountability, nor are they prepared to face the consequences of their behaviors.
You’re a very disturbed and soulless individual. Good luck with that.
Were you always just a soulless and apathetic individual or did your religion make you like that?
Hey come and be like me and not give a shit about injustice or why people are poor….
Good luck with that.
Yeah sure, I’m pulling out my checkbook right now and writing a huge check.
“feral evanthugs” “satanic credit cards”. Totally not unhinged of you.
Well Halloween is nearing so I suppose you do need your boogeyman to get scared at.
Good luck with that.
Here is the article from Christianity Today about McDowell’s ordeal:
https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2021/september/josh-mcdowell-race-comments-ccaa-step-down-ministry.html
As it shows, the problem wasn’t his criticism of CRT, but rather HOW he criticized it, by using sarcasm and tone deaf language that came across as a mockery of people who have historically experienced racism in America. In other words, while he attempted to ridicule CRT, he ended up ridiculing people, and for that he apologized.
While I agree with him that CRT denies the power of the cross, and it is totally fine to talk about the internal problems that many of those communities, especially Afro-American, are facing, doing so in such a satirical fashion only produces negative reactions.
It reminds me of Ephesians 5:4, where it specifically says that God’s holy people should refrain from coarse joking.
“While I agree with him that CRT denies the power of the cross”
Then the cross is worse than useless……In fact far from being a symbol of liberation, the cross has been used by people like your self as a weapon of oppression.
Just more old white males entering into the culture wars to try to save whities.
If you would have not taken my quote out of context, you would see that I did rebuke this old white man and why.
Which part of “CRT denies the power of the cross” is out of context?
Because my entire post is not about CRT.
Yes it is.
In fact you agreed with the old white male.
As you can see, I agreed with some things he said and disagreed with the rest.
Would it make a difference if he would be a young woman of color?
You mean like Candace Owens? No it wouldn’t.
It’s clear that those raging against CRT are white males like yourself and ol Josh and your church pastor.
Bahahahaha
Someone’s still sooking over Trumps thrashing.
It’s no surprise an old shambling corpse suffering from dementia thrashed Trump.
My dog’s turds would’ve as well.
Hey Jellybean, I know this is all because you’re jealous that your balls aren’t as big as mine.
But sometimes you’ve gotta be happy with what you’ve got even if they are jelly beans.
It’s OK jellybean.
You should know I’m not gay though.
the quote Bones used was NOT “out of context”. He was simply responding to the part of your post he disagreed with rather than the whole thing.
also, McDowell’s comments were not “satirical.”
By satirical, I meant that McDowell was mocking CRT and ended up ridiculing actual people. That was highly inappropriate on his part and he accordingly apologized.
So he mocks something he clearly doesn’t understand, and in the process demonstrates why it is actually needed.