Ugandan MPs Cheer Introduction of Original Anti-gay Bill

Uganda’s Monitor and government backed New Vision both report this morning that MPs cheered when David Bahati re-introduced the Anti-Homosexuality Bill. According to the New Vision:

There was excitement at Parliament Tuesday afternoon after the Anti-Homosexuality Bill, 2009 was re-tabled for consideration.

Parliament resumed business on Tuesday after over a month of recess.

MPs applauded as Ndorwa West MP David Bahati took to the floor to re-introduce the controversial Bill for reference to the appropriate committee.

After re-tabling the Bill, MPs both on the ruling side and the opposition gave Bahati a standing ovation.

“Our Bill, our man,” the legislators chanted.

This is perhaps the clearest sign yet of the intentions of Parliament to pass the bill over the objections of the Executive branch and donor partners.

The Monitor report has the MPs shouting something a little different (Our bill, our kids) but the same enthusiasm for jailing and hanging gays remains.

BBC Report Wrong on Death Penalty Removal

As an aside, the BBC just can’t seem to get their reporting right. They again are reporting that the death penalty has been removed from the bill. Yesterday, Parliament spokeswoman Helen Kadaga told me that the bill was the same as was introduced in 2009. Bahati has said he would be open to removing the death penalty but this has never been done. In a 2011 report done by the Legal and Parliamentary Affairs committee, the death penalty remained in the bill.

This morning I got additional confirmation that the original bill without amendments was introduced yesterday from Charles Tuhaise, Parliamentary Research Service staffer. Tuhaise said that all proposed changes to a Bill are first brought to the floor of Parliament where they are debated by the MPs. Any revisions are accepted to a bill after a majority votes in support of the revision. For now, the original bill is with the Legal and Parliamentary Affairs committee without amendment.

Related:

Uganda’s Anti-Homosexuality Bill to be Tabled in Parliament Today – UPDATED

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58 thoughts on “Ugandan MPs Cheer Introduction of Original Anti-gay Bill”

  1. Kristen Rawls,

    I have asked Maazi NCO to define “gayism” before – he described it as gay advocacy and with citations that were very generic and benign. I also politely informed him it wasn’t a word and not in the dictionary, so it has no real meaning, except, well, his own 😉 I guess it is his world and we just live in it.

  2. ‘Anonymous Coward’ and ‘Maazi NCO MP’ would make a most suitable (same-sex?) couple … and it would save FOUR people being unhappy.

  3. I also politely informed him it wasn’t a word and not in the dictionary, so it has no real meaning, except, well, his own I guess it is his world and we just live in it.

    The word “gayism” is widely used across English-speaking african nations. Here in Uganda, it is mainstream and has featured in judgements issued by law courts.

    .

    Anonymous Coward’ and ‘Maazi NCO MP’ would make a most suitable (same-sex?) couple … and it would save FOUR people being unhappy.

    Is that the response of Her Majesty’s FCO to the comment I made about Uganda Parliament’s determination never to allow Baby-Faced Cameron or Barry-Barry Obama to veto our ability to freely debate any bill in our own sovereign nation? .

  4. The word “gayism” is widely used across English-speaking african nations. Here in Uganda, it is mainstream and has featured in judgements issued by law courts.

    Mazzi NCO,

    It might be used, however, no one knows what it means. Sad to know English speaking African nations and the courts in Uganda would use and apply a word that has no acceptable meaning, especially when it comes to determining whether an individual should live or die or serve a jail sentence. More than sad, it is unacceptable.

  5. For your reads

    http://www.mediacentre.go.ug/details.php?catId=3&item=1564

    We need to understand that much as this whole Homosexuality Bill has run over aboard on the international scene: whose values are to be tanished? is it to you in USA or Uganda?

    What so we Ugandan people want?

    Definately, we have our costitutional rights so who then needs previllege rights?

    Are we saying that the Homosexuals are as well handcapped? what point are we making?

    I also hear that the Gay bill in Usa has been passed with no support from the republicans and yet still remains to be vented!http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/nyregion/veto-awaits-new-jersey-bill-allowing-gays-to-wed.html?scp=2&sq=gay%20rights/16th%20/feb/2012&st=cse

    Issues of morality, do the gay activists ever talk about the ricrutment issues that have been posed against them? No!

    All i have heard is right and want of rights? But who is comdemning the young children or other young people who are getting lured in the act because of gifts among others?

    I think we have more pressin gissues at hand to start debating about private matters?

    I think the international community should show some respect to Africa!

  6. I don’t think there’s a lot to be gained by spewing wrath and threats on Uganda and their government, their leaders, or their governmental process. There are plenty of countries in the world with laws we don’t agree with and wouldn’t tolerate for ourselves–and I’m sure the Ugandans feel the same way about some of our laws. Mutual respect and rational discussion go a lot further than name-calling and the like to further the cause of worldwide human rights.

  7. No, ‘Maazi NCO’ – I suspect that HMG’s response (whatever it turns out to be) will be rather less humorous.

    I notice that ‘Maazi NCO MP’ is engaging in sophistry over the death penalty aspect (the quick version – i.e. death by hanging – not the slightly slower version – i.e. by labelled a ‘homo’ and thrown in with a bunch of common criminals). His reference to WMD was also ill-judged: as he said, they weren’t there … but the Bahati Bill, complete with death penalty (quick version) for consensual sex or repeated peaceful expressions of dissent, IS there!

    Tashobya left the (quick version of the) death penalty firmly in place; he merely changed the wording. (It took about ten seconds to work out what had been done.)

  8. @ Grace

    We know that there are sensible (NRM and other) politicians in Kampala who do not want the Bahati Bill, and respect that.

    I agree that there are ‘more pressing issues’ than ‘seeking out and destroying’ law-abiding Ugandans who happen to be gay.

    There is no real evidence that ‘gay activists’ systematically ‘recruit’ children (the Opposition MP who frequently visits this blog was never able to provide evidence of the ‘recruitment’ he claimed was taking place). One or two former ‘gay activists’ said that there had been ‘recruitment’ … then it turned out that they had been paid by certain ‘pastors’ to say that! It is also the case – as I’m sure you know – that nearly all ‘luring’ is of young girls by ‘straight’ men (remember the scandal of the 40,000+ schoolgirls: http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/12/642443).

    Bills like the Bahati Bill pose a threat to the constitutional rights of all Ugandans.

  9. Maazi’ is a “Bahati-lackey’. And he won’t even tell us his real name (though I might know what it is – but am not prepared to ‘out’ people on this blog, although I have dropped hints about his identity).

    I am nobody’s lackey. Unless if you are saying that the hundreds of MPs who solidly back the anti-gay bill are all Bahati lackeys.

    Several months ago, I asked ‘Maazi’ why he supported criminalizing activities (e.g. oral sex) for gay people when they were not to be criminalized for straight people – a perfectly logical, reasonable question. He was not prepared to respond in a reasonable manner. He has also directed very dirty comments at me personally, for example saying that I wish to come to Uganda to sexually exploit young people, and going on incessantly about ‘anal sex’.

    Trying to obfuscate facts to justify your uncouth behaviour??

    So, Carol, I will not take lectures from you or anybody else on how to address the rude, nasty, cowardly and contemptible behaviour of ‘Maazi NCO’. Is that understood?

    I understand that you are pissed off that Her Majesty’s FCO which you have leaned on heavily—- reporting everything we discuss on this blog—-is powerless to impose your desires on the Ugandan people. I asked you a question in 2010 and repeated it again several time in 2011. That question was—–“For how long did you think that the imperialist powers will be able to use the executive branch of the Ugandan State as a buffer against the democratic aspirations of the Ugandan people as represented by our parliament “

    I am still waiting for your answer, two years on…..

  10. Ummmm, Maazi, if you don’t care what Westerners think, why do you spend so much time on this website?

  11. @Richard, we aren’t talking to Bahati. We’re talking to Ugandans online in this present discussion. There’s no reason not to engage in rational discourse.

    I am afraid you are wasting your time. Westerners are very arrogant and patronizing. For last two years, we have had our email accounts jammed with patronizing trash, empty threats and nonsensical blackmails from pro-gay spammers from Europe, Canada and USA. We completely ignored all the abusive words because we knew that ultimately Ugandan opinion must prevail inside Uganda not the words of people thousands of miles away who don’t really care a damn about Africans (except the few misguided africans who share their love of gayism).

    I don’t particularly care what Westerners think of us. If US Congress can defy world opinion and pass the 2002 legislation nicknamed “The Hague Invastion Act” which authorizes US military forces to storm Netherlands and rescue any American detained on accusation of war crimes by the International Criminal Court, then there is no reason why Uganda cannot defy a much narrower Mafiaoso Organization of Powerful Western Nations who are bent on imposing their views on the rest of the world.

  12. @ Grace

    We know that there are sensible (NRM and other) politicians in Kampala who do not want the Bahati Bill, and respect that.

    I agree that there are ‘more pressing issues’ than ‘seeking out and destroying’ law-abiding Ugandans who happen to be gay.

    There is no real evidence that ‘gay activists’ systematically ‘recruit’ children (the Opposition MP who frequently visits this blog was never able to provide evidence of the ‘recruitment’ he claimed was taking place). One or two former ‘gay activists’ said that there had been ‘recruitment’ … then it turned out that they had been paid by certain ‘pastors’ to say that! It is also the case – as I’m sure you know – that nearly all ‘luring’ is of young girls by ‘straight’ men (remember the scandal of the 40,000+ schoolgirls: http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/12/642443).

    Bills like the Bahati Bill pose a threat to the constitutional rights of all Ugandans.

  13. For your reads

    http://www.mediacentre.go.ug/details.php?catId=3&item=1564

    We need to understand that much as this whole Homosexuality Bill has run over aboard on the international scene: whose values are to be tanished? is it to you in USA or Uganda?

    What so we Ugandan people want?

    Definately, we have our costitutional rights so who then needs previllege rights?

    Are we saying that the Homosexuals are as well handcapped? what point are we making?

    I also hear that the Gay bill in Usa has been passed with no support from the republicans and yet still remains to be vented!http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/nyregion/veto-awaits-new-jersey-bill-allowing-gays-to-wed.html?scp=2&sq=gay%20rights/16th%20/feb/2012&st=cse

    Issues of morality, do the gay activists ever talk about the ricrutment issues that have been posed against them? No!

    All i have heard is right and want of rights? But who is comdemning the young children or other young people who are getting lured in the act because of gifts among others?

    I think we have more pressin gissues at hand to start debating about private matters?

    I think the international community should show some respect to Africa!

  14. Maazi’ is a “Bahati-lackey’. And he won’t even tell us his real name (though I might know what it is – but am not prepared to ‘out’ people on this blog, although I have dropped hints about his identity).

    I am nobody’s lackey. Unless if you are saying that the hundreds of MPs who solidly back the anti-gay bill are all Bahati lackeys.

    Several months ago, I asked ‘Maazi’ why he supported criminalizing activities (e.g. oral sex) for gay people when they were not to be criminalized for straight people – a perfectly logical, reasonable question. He was not prepared to respond in a reasonable manner. He has also directed very dirty comments at me personally, for example saying that I wish to come to Uganda to sexually exploit young people, and going on incessantly about ‘anal sex’.

    Trying to obfuscate facts to justify your uncouth behaviour??

    So, Carol, I will not take lectures from you or anybody else on how to address the rude, nasty, cowardly and contemptible behaviour of ‘Maazi NCO’. Is that understood?

    I understand that you are pissed off that Her Majesty’s FCO which you have leaned on heavily—- reporting everything we discuss on this blog—-is powerless to impose your desires on the Ugandan people. I asked you a question in 2010 and repeated it again several time in 2011. That question was—–“For how long did you think that the imperialist powers will be able to use the executive branch of the Ugandan State as a buffer against the democratic aspirations of the Ugandan people as represented by our parliament “

    I am still waiting for your answer, two years on…..

  15. @ Carol

    ‘Maazi’ is a “Bahati-lackey’. And he won’t even tell us his real name (though I might know what it is – but am not prepared to ‘out’ people on this blog, although I have dropped hints about his identity).

    Several months ago, I asked ‘Maazi’ why he supported criminalizing activities (e.g. oral sex) for gay people when they were not to be criminalized for straight people – a perfectly logical, reasonable question. He was not prepared to respond in a reasonable manner. He has also directed very dirty comments at me personally, for example saying that I wish to come to Uganda to sexually exploit young people, and going on incessantly about ‘anal sex’.

    So, Carol, I will not take lectures from you or anybody else on how to address the rude, nasty, cowardly and contemptible behaviour of ‘Maazi NCO’. Is that understood?

  16. @ Carol

    ‘Maazi’ is a “Bahati-lackey’. And he won’t even tell us his real name (though I might know what it is – but am not prepared to ‘out’ people on this blog, although I have dropped hints about his identity).

    Several months ago, I asked ‘Maazi’ why he supported criminalizing activities (e.g. oral sex) for gay people when they were not to be criminalized for straight people – a perfectly logical, reasonable question. He was not prepared to respond in a reasonable manner. He has also directed very dirty comments at me personally, for example saying that I wish to come to Uganda to sexually exploit young people, and going on incessantly about ‘anal sex’.

    So, Carol, I will not take lectures from you or anybody else on how to address the rude, nasty, cowardly and contemptible behaviour of ‘Maazi NCO’. Is that understood?

  17. @ Carol

    ‘Maazi’ is a “Bahati-lackey’. And he won’t even tell us his real name (though I might know what it is – but am not prepared to ‘out’ people on this blog, although I have dropped hints about his identity).

    Several months ago, I asked ‘Maazi’ why he supported criminalizing activities (e.g. oral sex) for gay people when they were not to be criminalized for straight people – a perfectly logical, reasonable question. He was not prepared to respond in a reasonable manner. He has also directed very dirty comments at me personally, for example saying that I wish to come to Uganda to sexually exploit young people, and going on incessantly about ‘anal sex’.

    So, Carol, I will not take lectures from you or anybody else on how to address the rude, nasty, cowardly and contemptible behaviour of ‘Maazi NCO’. Is that understood?

  18. Ummmm, Maazi, if you don’t care what Westerners think, why do you spend so much time on this website?

  19. @Richard, we aren’t talking to Bahati. We’re talking to Ugandans online in this present discussion. There’s no reason not to engage in rational discourse.

    I am afraid you are wasting your time. Westerners are very arrogant and patronizing. For last two years, we have had our email accounts jammed with patronizing trash, empty threats and nonsensical blackmails from pro-gay spammers from Europe, Canada and USA. We completely ignored all the abusive words because we knew that ultimately Ugandan opinion must prevail inside Uganda not the words of people thousands of miles away who don’t really care a damn about Africans (except the few misguided africans who share their love of gayism).

    I don’t particularly care what Westerners think of us. If US Congress can defy world opinion and pass the 2002 legislation nicknamed “The Hague Invastion Act” which authorizes US military forces to storm Netherlands and rescue any American detained on accusation of war crimes by the International Criminal Court, then there is no reason why Uganda cannot defy a much narrower Mafiaoso Organization of Powerful Western Nations who are bent on imposing their views on the rest of the world.

  20. Ummmm, Maazi, if you don’t care what Westerners think, why do you spend so much time on this website?

  21. @Richard, we aren’t talking to Bahati. We’re talking to Ugandans online in this present discussion. There’s no reason not to engage in rational discourse.

  22. @Richard, we aren’t talking to Bahati. We’re talking to Ugandans online in this present discussion. There’s no reason not to engage in rational discourse.

    I am afraid you are wasting your time. Westerners are very arrogant and patronizing. For last two years, we have had our email accounts jammed with patronizing trash, empty threats and nonsensical blackmails from pro-gay spammers from Europe, Canada and USA. We completely ignored all the abusive words because we knew that ultimately Ugandan opinion must prevail inside Uganda not the words of people thousands of miles away who don’t really care a damn about Africans (except the few misguided africans who share their love of gayism).

    I don’t particularly care what Westerners think of us. If US Congress can defy world opinion and pass the 2002 legislation nicknamed “The Hague Invastion Act” which authorizes US military forces to storm Netherlands and rescue any American detained on accusation of war crimes by the International Criminal Court, then there is no reason why Uganda cannot defy a much narrower Mafiaoso Organization of Powerful Western Nations who are bent on imposing their views on the rest of the world.

  23. @Richard, we aren’t talking to Bahati. We’re talking to Ugandans online in this present discussion. There’s no reason not to engage in rational discourse.

    I am afraid you are wasting your time. Westerners are very arrogant and patronizing. For last two years, we have had our email accounts jammed with patronizing trash, empty threats and nonsensical blackmails from pro-gay spammers from Europe, Canada and USA. We completely ignored all the abusive words because we knew that ultimately Ugandan opinion must prevail inside Uganda not the words of people thousands of miles away who don’t really care a damn about Africans (except the few misguided africans who share their love of gayism).

    I don’t particularly care what Westerners think of us. If US Congress can defy world opinion and pass the 2002 legislation nicknamed “The Hague Invastion Act” which authorizes US military forces to storm Netherlands and rescue any American detained on accusation of war crimes by the International Criminal Court, then there is no reason why Uganda cannot defy a much narrower Mafiaoso Organization of Powerful Western Nations who are bent on imposing their views on the rest of the world.

  24. @Richard, we aren’t talking to Bahati. We’re talking to Ugandans online in this present discussion. There’s no reason not to engage in rational discourse.

  25. @Richard, we aren’t talking to Bahati. We’re talking to Ugandans online in this present discussion. There’s no reason not to engage in rational discourse.

  26. @ Carol

    Don’t forget this: http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/08/10728/

    Rational discussion? Can’t see much prospect of that.

    (I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: there are many decent Ugandans that are either openly or secretly ashamed on account of this murderous bill. Generalizations about Uganda or Ugandans are entirely unjustified. Thankfully, the measures envisaged by the UK Government in the event of the Bill being enacted are, as far as I can tell, carefully designed to minimize harm to ordinary Ugandans, whilst sending a clear message to irresponsible politicians.)

  27. I’m afraid that ‘rationale discussion’ appears not to be possible with people like Bahati.

    Of course, it would be better if such discussion were possible … but it has been tried, and it doesn’t seem to have worked.

    The point of the invective is not to try to persuade the Bahatis and Maazis of this world to change their minds; it is designed to expose their lies and hypocrisy. This is war, I’m afraid …

  28. I don’t think there’s a lot to be gained by spewing wrath and threats on Uganda and their government, their leaders, or their governmental process. There are plenty of countries in the world with laws we don’t agree with and wouldn’t tolerate for ourselves–and I’m sure the Ugandans feel the same way about some of our laws. Mutual respect and rational discussion go a lot further than name-calling and the like to further the cause of worldwide human rights.

  29. No, ‘Maazi NCO’ – I suspect that HMG’s response (whatever it turns out to be) will be rather less humorous.

    I notice that ‘Maazi NCO MP’ is engaging in sophistry over the death penalty aspect (the quick version – i.e. death by hanging – not the slightly slower version – i.e. by labelled a ‘homo’ and thrown in with a bunch of common criminals). His reference to WMD was also ill-judged: as he said, they weren’t there … but the Bahati Bill, complete with death penalty (quick version) for consensual sex or repeated peaceful expressions of dissent, IS there!

    Tashobya left the (quick version of the) death penalty firmly in place; he merely changed the wording. (It took about ten seconds to work out what had been done.)

  30. The word “gayism” is widely used across English-speaking african nations. Here in Uganda, it is mainstream and has featured in judgements issued by law courts.

    Mazzi NCO,

    It might be used, however, no one knows what it means. Sad to know English speaking African nations and the courts in Uganda would use and apply a word that has no acceptable meaning, especially when it comes to determining whether an individual should live or die or serve a jail sentence. More than sad, it is unacceptable.

  31. @ Carol

    Don’t forget this: http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/08/10728/

    Rational discussion? Can’t see much prospect of that.

    (I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: there are many decent Ugandans that are either openly or secretly ashamed on account of this murderous bill. Generalizations about Uganda or Ugandans are entirely unjustified. Thankfully, the measures envisaged by the UK Government in the event of the Bill being enacted are, as far as I can tell, carefully designed to minimize harm to ordinary Ugandans, whilst sending a clear message to irresponsible politicians.)

  32. @ Carol

    Don’t forget this: http://www.truthwinsout.org/blog/2010/08/10728/

    Rational discussion? Can’t see much prospect of that.

    (I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again: there are many decent Ugandans that are either openly or secretly ashamed on account of this murderous bill. Generalizations about Uganda or Ugandans are entirely unjustified. Thankfully, the measures envisaged by the UK Government in the event of the Bill being enacted are, as far as I can tell, carefully designed to minimize harm to ordinary Ugandans, whilst sending a clear message to irresponsible politicians.)

  33. I also politely informed him it wasn’t a word and not in the dictionary, so it has no real meaning, except, well, his own I guess it is his world and we just live in it.

    The word “gayism” is widely used across English-speaking african nations. Here in Uganda, it is mainstream and has featured in judgements issued by law courts.

    .

    Anonymous Coward’ and ‘Maazi NCO MP’ would make a most suitable (same-sex?) couple … and it would save FOUR people being unhappy.

    Is that the response of Her Majesty’s FCO to the comment I made about Uganda Parliament’s determination never to allow Baby-Faced Cameron or Barry-Barry Obama to veto our ability to freely debate any bill in our own sovereign nation? .

  34. I’m afraid that ‘rationale discussion’ appears not to be possible with people like Bahati.

    Of course, it would be better if such discussion were possible … but it has been tried, and it doesn’t seem to have worked.

    The point of the invective is not to try to persuade the Bahatis and Maazis of this world to change their minds; it is designed to expose their lies and hypocrisy. This is war, I’m afraid …

  35. I’m afraid that ‘rationale discussion’ appears not to be possible with people like Bahati.

    Of course, it would be better if such discussion were possible … but it has been tried, and it doesn’t seem to have worked.

    The point of the invective is not to try to persuade the Bahatis and Maazis of this world to change their minds; it is designed to expose their lies and hypocrisy. This is war, I’m afraid …

  36. I’m afraid that ‘rationale discussion’ appears not to be possible with people like Bahati.

    Of course, it would be better if such discussion were possible … but it has been tried, and it doesn’t seem to have worked.

    The point of the invective is not to try to persuade the Bahatis and Maazis of this world to change their minds; it is designed to expose their lies and hypocrisy. This is war, I’m afraid …

  37. ‘Anonymous Coward’ and ‘Maazi NCO MP’ would make a most suitable (same-sex?) couple … and it would save FOUR people being unhappy.

  38. Kristen Rawls,

    I have asked Maazi NCO to define “gayism” before – he described it as gay advocacy and with citations that were very generic and benign. I also politely informed him it wasn’t a word and not in the dictionary, so it has no real meaning, except, well, his own 😉 I guess it is his world and we just live in it.

  39. Yes of course military aid is realpolitik, as is most international aid. That does not mean it doesn’t “count” as real aid. I think you do not understand the definition of “aid.”

  40. Also, could the MP who is commenting here please define “gayism”? This is not a real word, and I am unclear of what it means.

  41. Anonymous Coward,

    For clarification, can you please define the terms “homo” and “gay”? Please do so from your own personal perspective and then, if you will, please tell me how you came to this conclusion.

  42. ***Warren you can delete the post immediately above this one. This post is a corrected version of it ***

    David Baharti , a Ugandan, is an evangelical-USA funded fraud. He fences for those white USA-based evangelical hate mongers who fund him and other greedy Ugandan politicians if they agree to spread their anti-Gay venom in Uganda

    This matter transcends the personality of Bahati. The Bahati Bill is the property of all parliamentarians in Uganda and is supported by most Ugandan citizens. Calling Bahati abusive names is an exercise in futility. I have nothing to do with any gang of “White US evangelicals” and I do not care about them.

    The civilized nations of the world should boycott Uganda and not welcome any Ugandan politicians who visit their soils if they are backers of Uganda’s murderous anti-Gay bill.

    This will be the “civilized nations” that invaded Iraq based on lies about non-existent WMDs. The same “civilized nations” that make emotional speeches about democracy before rushing billion dollar weaponry to their primitive head-chopping royalist allies in the Arabian Gulf.

  43. except for a contingent of the most extremist fringe fundamentalists operating in the United States today, apparently. I’m sorry, how is that not “neocolonialism”? I assume you are familiar with the history of American missionaries in Africa in general and Uganda in particular?

    Gay propaganda. This bill is a Ugandan bill. I don’t care about your rightwing conservative christian groups. I am not an evangelical. My resistance to gayism is strictly cultural. Gayism is against African cultural traditions.

    Did you still want our drones to help stamp out the LRA? I do not know where anyone has gotten the idea that US aid to Uganda is a small pittance – this could not be further from the truth.

    I am savvy enough to know that US involvement against LRA is a geopolitical and geostrategic decision. It has nothing to do with donor aid. Uganda is in the minerals-rich Great Lakes Region of Africa. It is at close proximity to natural resources rich DR Congo. The United States government knows that LRA is no longer a Uganda-specific terrorist group. It is now a cross-border group since it launches attacks into countries sharing a common border with Uganda. Uncle Sam’s involvement there is a realpolitik decision. Has nothing to do with aid. The same goes for our country’s involvement in Somalia. UPDF is not in Somalia solely for itself. It is there on behalf of the United States government.

    But a bill like this will galvanize a lot of people and provide a very convenient distraction from the real political issues that need to be addressed

    Once the bill is passed, the issue of distraction will be moot point.

    Oh, and there’s the global economic order that ensures that your country is poor now and will stay poor.

    So if we give up Bahati Bill then we will become rich??

  44. David Baharti , a Ugandan, is an evangelical-USA funded fraud. He fences for those white USA-based evangelical hate mongers who fund him and other greedy Ugandan politicians if they agree to spread their anti-Gay venom in Uganda. The civilized nations of the world should boycott Uganda and not welcome any Ugandan politicians who visit their soils if they are backers of Uganda’s murderous anti-Gay bill.. The American evangelical groups who use Uganda as their testing grounds for their anti-Gay agendas should be publicly exposed always for the self-righteous criminals they are.

  45. “No foreign lobby group or interests acting directly or indirectly through puppet organizations in Kampala will dictate terms to Ugandan MPs.”

    …except for a contingent of the most extremist fringe fundamentalists operating in the United States today, apparently. I’m sorry, how is that not “neocolonialism”? I assume you are familiar with the history of American missionaries in Africa in general and Uganda in particular?

    Anyone concerned about neocolonialist influence in your country may also look to the massive amounts of arms and military aid being sent there. Did you still want our drones to help stamp out the LRA? I do not know where anyone has gotten the idea that US aid to Uganda is a small pittance – this could not be further from the truth.

    Oh, and there’s the global economic order that ensures that your country is poor now and will stay poor.

    But a bill like this will galvanize a lot of people and provide a very convenient distraction from the real political issues that need to be addressed.

  46. The Monitor report has the MPs shouting something a little different (Our bill, our kids) but the same enthusiasm for jailing and hanging gays remains.

    This just gay propaganda all over again. Nobody in Parliament has any interest in getting anyone killed. Our interest is to ensure that promotion of gayism is quelled in our country and that no foreign country exercise veto power over our parliament. If we cannot influence lawmaking in US Congress, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason why US government and its European lapdog countries should have that right in Uganda. It really that simple !!!

    No foreign lobby group or interests acting directly or indirectly through puppet organizations in Kampala will dictate terms to Ugandan MPs. On this particular matter, there is no division between opposition party, ruling party and independent parliamentarians.

    If you don’t like it then ask your nation to withdraw the useless donor funds, but there will be no compromises on this matter.

  47. This is great news for all those opposed to homo’s spreading their indoctrinating rubbish and polluting the minds of our children. Viva Ugandan government! Sure, I’m opposed to murdering gays or inciting violence against gays. However, homo’s are being given more and more opportunities these days to chant their ‘liberal’, ‘we all have rights’ BS. While I’m against the death penalty, I’m certainly PRO jail-time for homos.

  48. Yes of course military aid is realpolitik, as is most international aid. That does not mean it doesn’t “count” as real aid. I think you do not understand the definition of “aid.”

  49. Also, could the MP who is commenting here please define “gayism”? This is not a real word, and I am unclear of what it means.

  50. Anonymous Coward,

    For clarification, can you please define the terms “homo” and “gay”? Please do so from your own personal perspective and then, if you will, please tell me how you came to this conclusion.

  51. ***Warren you can delete the post immediately above this one. This post is a corrected version of it ***

    David Baharti , a Ugandan, is an evangelical-USA funded fraud. He fences for those white USA-based evangelical hate mongers who fund him and other greedy Ugandan politicians if they agree to spread their anti-Gay venom in Uganda

    This matter transcends the personality of Bahati. The Bahati Bill is the property of all parliamentarians in Uganda and is supported by most Ugandan citizens. Calling Bahati abusive names is an exercise in futility. I have nothing to do with any gang of “White US evangelicals” and I do not care about them.

    The civilized nations of the world should boycott Uganda and not welcome any Ugandan politicians who visit their soils if they are backers of Uganda’s murderous anti-Gay bill.

    This will be the “civilized nations” that invaded Iraq based on lies about non-existent WMDs. The same “civilized nations” that make emotional speeches about democracy before rushing billion dollar weaponry to their primitive head-chopping royalist allies in the Arabian Gulf.

  52. except for a contingent of the most extremist fringe fundamentalists operating in the United States today, apparently. I’m sorry, how is that not “neocolonialism”? I assume you are familiar with the history of American missionaries in Africa in general and Uganda in particular?

    Gay propaganda. This bill is a Ugandan bill. I don’t care about your rightwing conservative christian groups. I am not an evangelical. My resistance to gayism is strictly cultural. Gayism is against African cultural traditions.

    Did you still want our drones to help stamp out the LRA? I do not know where anyone has gotten the idea that US aid to Uganda is a small pittance – this could not be further from the truth.

    I am savvy enough to know that US involvement against LRA is a geopolitical and geostrategic decision. It has nothing to do with donor aid. Uganda is in the minerals-rich Great Lakes Region of Africa. It is at close proximity to natural resources rich DR Congo. The United States government knows that LRA is no longer a Uganda-specific terrorist group. It is now a cross-border group since it launches attacks into countries sharing a common border with Uganda. Uncle Sam’s involvement there is a realpolitik decision. Has nothing to do with aid. The same goes for our country’s involvement in Somalia. UPDF is not in Somalia solely for itself. It is there on behalf of the United States government.

    But a bill like this will galvanize a lot of people and provide a very convenient distraction from the real political issues that need to be addressed

    Once the bill is passed, the issue of distraction will be moot point.

    Oh, and there’s the global economic order that ensures that your country is poor now and will stay poor.

    So if we give up Bahati Bill then we will become rich??

  53. David Baharti , a Ugandan, is an evangelical-USA funded fraud. He fences for those white USA-based evangelical hate mongers who fund him and other greedy Ugandan politicians if they agree to spread their anti-Gay venom in Uganda. The civilized nations of the world should boycott Uganda and not welcome any Ugandan politicians who visit their soils if they are backers of Uganda’s murderous anti-Gay bill.. The American evangelical groups who use Uganda as their testing grounds for their anti-Gay agendas should be publicly exposed always for the self-righteous criminals they are.

  54. “No foreign lobby group or interests acting directly or indirectly through puppet organizations in Kampala will dictate terms to Ugandan MPs.”

    …except for a contingent of the most extremist fringe fundamentalists operating in the United States today, apparently. I’m sorry, how is that not “neocolonialism”? I assume you are familiar with the history of American missionaries in Africa in general and Uganda in particular?

    Anyone concerned about neocolonialist influence in your country may also look to the massive amounts of arms and military aid being sent there. Did you still want our drones to help stamp out the LRA? I do not know where anyone has gotten the idea that US aid to Uganda is a small pittance – this could not be further from the truth.

    Oh, and there’s the global economic order that ensures that your country is poor now and will stay poor.

    But a bill like this will galvanize a lot of people and provide a very convenient distraction from the real political issues that need to be addressed.

  55. The Monitor report has the MPs shouting something a little different (Our bill, our kids) but the same enthusiasm for jailing and hanging gays remains.

    This just gay propaganda all over again. Nobody in Parliament has any interest in getting anyone killed. Our interest is to ensure that promotion of gayism is quelled in our country and that no foreign country exercise veto power over our parliament. If we cannot influence lawmaking in US Congress, there is ABSOLUTELY no reason why US government and its European lapdog countries should have that right in Uganda. It really that simple !!!

    No foreign lobby group or interests acting directly or indirectly through puppet organizations in Kampala will dictate terms to Ugandan MPs. On this particular matter, there is no division between opposition party, ruling party and independent parliamentarians.

    If you don’t like it then ask your nation to withdraw the useless donor funds, but there will be no compromises on this matter.

  56. This is great news for all those opposed to homo’s spreading their indoctrinating rubbish and polluting the minds of our children. Viva Ugandan government! Sure, I’m opposed to murdering gays or inciting violence against gays. However, homo’s are being given more and more opportunities these days to chant their ‘liberal’, ‘we all have rights’ BS. While I’m against the death penalty, I’m certainly PRO jail-time for homos.

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