As unbelievable as that sounds, Draper Park Christian Church is hosting Scott Lively for a weekend of seminars April 27-29, 2012.
On the church Facebook page, they prep their congregants with an article from MassResistance.
Upcoming DPCC keynote speaker featured in this article…thanks Stephen Black of First Stone Ministries. Church, the Lord said “Be alert and ready for service!”. This Christian lawyer Dr. Lively needs our fervent, effectual, righteous prayers.
It is not clear what the role of Stephen Black and First Stone Ministries is. If that Exodus affiliate has anything to do with this appearance, they would be flying directly in the face of the policy of the national Exodus ministry, who denounced the Anti-Homosexuality Bill as well as Lively’s role in Uganda. They also removed Lively’s article about the Pink Swastika from their website.
I want to believe that the Draper Park people don’t understand what they are getting into. They read information from MassResistance calling Lively a martyr, but they will not hear Lively’s real message until he is inside their doors.
Most likely, he will tell them that the Holocaust was animated by homosexuals and gays want to recruit their children. He may tell them that he doesn’t support forced therapy, but he won’t tell them what would happen to gays who refuse state-sponsored ex-gay therapy. He might tell them that he didn’t support the Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill but he might not be as candid as he was with Mariana Van Zeller here:
He might tell the church what he thinks causes homosexuality, as he did below to the Ugandans in 2009, but he probably won’t tell them that both Exodus and NARTH have removed his articles from their websites.
I know there other Christians of conservative theology who are grieved by this. It is sad when Christians are tricked into thinking they are fighting evil when instead they mislead and misrepresent. Mr. Lively, as a Holocaust revisionist, should not have a platform in a Christian venue.
For more on the distortions and misleading presentation that is the Pink Swatiska, see this link.
Worth a try, I suppose. After all, both organizations are (a) trying to ‘rebrand’, and (b) the object of at least implicit criticism by Lively himself (who is effectively calling their ilk ‘chicken’ – both have in their way sought to distance themselves from Bahati’s genocidal Bill).
That first interview really does call into question Lively’s sanity. Does he REALLY think that the Bahati Bill (and all that it implies) is a ‘lesser evil’ than two people of the same sex living quietly together in a consensual relationship?! My goodness me!
I take the view that Lively has two problems:-
1. an unbridled obsession with ‘homosexuality’ (which he appears careful not to define, please note), and
2. a theology that, IMHO, has nothing to do with the core Christian orthodoxy.
Like so many people with the first problem, he seeks to make it into others’ problems; like so many people with the second, he appears completely unable even to consider the notion that he might just have acted wrongly (those of us who are Christians know full well that we must never lose sight of that ever-present possibility).
Something else in that interview (see first video clip) …
Just where is his evidence for ‘westerners’ trying to ‘homosexualize Ugandan children’. If he insists on making such accusations, then he should present evidence of a similar quality to that which led to the award of $31,000 damages against him for assaulting a woman in 1991.
Scott Lively was an invited speaker.
MA Tea Party Patriots: “We will not be silenced by faggots.”
“It apparently might come as news to these “pro-family” activists that all “faggots” are someone’s family, too. Shame on them for speaking that way about the sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, cousins, nephews, nieces even parents of millions of Americans. This is no expression of disagreement over a public policy differences. This is an attack on every American family. Hate is not an American nor a family value.”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/16/1083675/-MA-Tea-Party-Patriots-We-will-not-be-silenced-by-faggots-
I can’t seem to find it. Would you mind letting me know under what post the comment was published?
I can’t seem to find it. Would you mind letting me know under what post the comment was published?
Warren,
Just curious: Is there a reason you didn’t pubish the comment I left under your recent Spitzer post? (Did you receive it?)
I did publish it.
Scott Lively was an invited speaker.
MA Tea Party Patriots: “We will not be silenced by faggots.”
“It apparently might come as news to these “pro-family” activists that all “faggots” are someone’s family, too. Shame on them for speaking that way about the sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, cousins, nephews, nieces even parents of millions of Americans. This is no expression of disagreement over a public policy differences. This is an attack on every American family. Hate is not an American nor a family value.”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/16/1083675/-MA-Tea-Party-Patriots-We-will-not-be-silenced-by-faggots-
Warren,
Just curious: Is there a reason you didn’t pubish the comment I left under your recent Spitzer post? (Did you receive it?)
I did publish it.
Here’s the cross-reference to Warren’s original piece on that chilling Vanguard segment: /2010/05/27/vanguard-extra-extended-interview-with-scott-lively-on-anti-homosexuality-bill/
(Note that his praise for Martin Ssempa appears to have been issued AFTER at least episode one of the infamous ‘poo poo porn show’, although I’m not sure when the interview was actually recorded.)
Here’s the cross-reference to Warren’s original piece on that chilling Vanguard segment: /2010/05/27/vanguard-extra-extended-interview-with-scott-lively-on-anti-homosexuality-bill/
(Note that his praise for Martin Ssempa appears to have been issued AFTER at least episode one of the infamous ‘poo poo porn show’, although I’m not sure when the interview was actually recorded.)
Sally Kern Kountry? Her district is up near, but surrounding Bethany in West OKC (I used to live in the district just north of hers which now includes Bethany) and Draper Park Church is on the ultraconservative republican southside. What else would you expect?
This is the church which hosted the Mid-Central Regional Exodus Conference, from 2-4 October 2009, where Oklahoma State Representative Sally Kern gave “a heart-warming testimony of overcoming adversity and explained her motivation of love of God, love of the family, love of the church and love of country.” At an EXODUS conference hosted by Stephen Black (See: http://exodusinternational.org/2009/10/mid-central-regional-conference-report/).
Oddly enough this same church’s conference website also links to the 2009 Exodus statement against the bill which Lively now supports. I can only assume that since homosexual sex is already criminalized in Uganda that the main reason Lively supports the bill is the criminalization of free speech concerning our lives. This is the dichotomy these people live with. A hatred they share masquerading as a supposed love which then forces their spiritual warfare into the realm of civil rights, especially so as to condemn gays and lesbians for their inalienable rights including especially free speech.
Worth a try, I suppose. After all, both organizations are (a) trying to ‘rebrand’, and (b) the object of at least implicit criticism by Lively himself (who is effectively calling their ilk ‘chicken’ – both have in their way sought to distance themselves from Bahati’s genocidal Bill).
That first interview really does call into question Lively’s sanity. Does he REALLY think that the Bahati Bill (and all that it implies) is a ‘lesser evil’ than two people of the same sex living quietly together in a consensual relationship?! My goodness me!
I take the view that Lively has two problems:-
1. an unbridled obsession with ‘homosexuality’ (which he appears careful not to define, please note), and
2. a theology that, IMHO, has nothing to do with the core Christian orthodoxy.
Like so many people with the first problem, he seeks to make it into others’ problems; like so many people with the second, he appears completely unable even to consider the notion that he might just have acted wrongly (those of us who are Christians know full well that we must never lose sight of that ever-present possibility).
Something else in that interview (see first video clip) …
Just where is his evidence for ‘westerners’ trying to ‘homosexualize Ugandan children’. If he insists on making such accusations, then he should present evidence of a similar quality to that which led to the award of $31,000 damages against him for assaulting a woman in 1991.
I wonder if Exodus and NARTH might be willing to ask the pastor of the church to reconsider?
Richard Willmer,
Amen
Sally Kern Kountry? Her district is up near, but surrounding Bethany in West OKC (I used to live in the district just north of hers which now includes Bethany) and Draper Park Church is on the ultraconservative republican southside. What else would you expect?
This is the church which hosted the Mid-Central Regional Exodus Conference, from 2-4 October 2009, where Oklahoma State Representative Sally Kern gave “a heart-warming testimony of overcoming adversity and explained her motivation of love of God, love of the family, love of the church and love of country.” At an EXODUS conference hosted by Stephen Black (See: http://exodusinternational.org/2009/10/mid-central-regional-conference-report/).
Oddly enough this same church’s conference website also links to the 2009 Exodus statement against the bill which Lively now supports. I can only assume that since homosexual sex is already criminalized in Uganda that the main reason Lively supports the bill is the criminalization of free speech concerning our lives. This is the dichotomy these people live with. A hatred they share masquerading as a supposed love which then forces their spiritual warfare into the realm of civil rights, especially so as to condemn gays and lesbians for their inalienable rights including especially free speech.
“… Lively needs our fervent, effectual, righteous prayers.”
I’ll say!
Here’s one:-
Heavenly Father,
Show Scott Lively the true meanings of your justice and love.
May we all learn to listen more attentively to your still, small voice and follow the commands of your Son, whose Blood is the Seal of the Covenant that is both New and Eternal.
We ask this in the name of Jesus the Lord.
Amen.
I wonder if Exodus and NARTH might be willing to ask the pastor of the church to reconsider?
Richard Willmer,
Amen
“… Lively needs our fervent, effectual, righteous prayers.”
I’ll say!
Here’s one:-
Heavenly Father,
Show Scott Lively the true meanings of your justice and love.
May we all learn to listen more attentively to your still, small voice and follow the commands of your Son, whose Blood is the Seal of the Covenant that is both New and Eternal.
We ask this in the name of Jesus the Lord.
Amen.