Gingrich won evangelicals even though Santorum got a collective push from evangelical “leaders.” SC evangelicals didn’t get the memo.
Gingrich scares me. He has a reputation for intelligence and yet he thinks David Barton is a great historian.
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There are any number of reasons for people—even staunch conservatives like myself—to dislike Newt Gingrich. It is hard to believe that the Republican Party would be collectively stupid enough to nominate Newt to oppose Obama. I agree with Richard: the Democrat operatives are bound to be sporting big smiles today. If the Republicans want to win a debate, Newt can do that. If they want to win a presidential election, they’d better choose Santorum or Romney.
Newt Threatens China and Russia With Cyberwar
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/01/newt-goes-to-cyberwar/
“I think that we have to treat state-based covert activities as the equivalent of acts of war,” Gingrich said in response to a question about countries that target U.S. corporate and government information systems. “And I think that we have to respond to that and create a level of pain which teaches people not to do it.”
Newt Threatens China and Russia With Cyberwar
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/01/newt-goes-to-cyberwar/
“I think that we have to treat state-based covert activities as the equivalent of acts of war,” Gingrich said in response to a question about countries that target U.S. corporate and government information systems. “And I think that we have to respond to that and create a level of pain which teaches people not to do it.”
From a report on the State of the Union Address in the British press:-
‘ Republicans applauded infrequently. In the party’s formal response, Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels denounced the speech as “pro-poverty” and Mr Obama’s tactics as divisive. “No feature of the Obama presidency has been sadder than its constant efforts to divide us, to curry favour with some Americans by castigating others,” Mr Daniels said. ‘
Oh yes?! And the likes of Gingrich and Santorum NEVER try to ‘curry favour with some Americans by castigating others’, do they?! Pots and kettles spring to mind.
From a report on the State of the Union Address in the British press:-
‘ Republicans applauded infrequently. In the party’s formal response, Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels denounced the speech as “pro-poverty” and Mr Obama’s tactics as divisive. “No feature of the Obama presidency has been sadder than its constant efforts to divide us, to curry favour with some Americans by castigating others,” Mr Daniels said. ‘
Oh yes?! And the likes of Gingrich and Santorum NEVER try to ‘curry favour with some Americans by castigating others’, do they?! Pots and kettles spring to mind.
I take the view that God is ‘above vomiting’, however nauseating the views of people like Dozier might be.
I take the view that God is ‘above vomiting’, however nauseating the views of people like Dozier might be.
on to FloriDuh. Rick Santorum spoke from this pulpit Sunday
“Santorum has a scary friend leading his Florida primary effort: O’Neal Dozier, an evangelical preacher who hates gays and Muslims.
Dozier runs the Worldwide Christian Center in Pompano Beach, Fla.; Santorum spoke from the Center’s pulpit on Sunday. Extreme may be putting it mildly when describing Dozier, who is serving as honorary chairman of Santorum’s Florida efforts. He has told his congregants that Muslims plan on taking over America, and that homosexuality was “something so nasty and disgusting that it makes God want to vomit.” After Santorum spoke at Dozier’s church on Sunday, the preacher told a Mother Jones reporter that Mitt Romney was going to hell. ”
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2012/01/23/Santorum_Fla_Campaign_Head_Thinks_Gays_Make_God_Vomit/
on to FloriDuh. Rick Santorum spoke from this pulpit Sunday
“Santorum has a scary friend leading his Florida primary effort: O’Neal Dozier, an evangelical preacher who hates gays and Muslims.
Dozier runs the Worldwide Christian Center in Pompano Beach, Fla.; Santorum spoke from the Center’s pulpit on Sunday. Extreme may be putting it mildly when describing Dozier, who is serving as honorary chairman of Santorum’s Florida efforts. He has told his congregants that Muslims plan on taking over America, and that homosexuality was “something so nasty and disgusting that it makes God want to vomit.” After Santorum spoke at Dozier’s church on Sunday, the preacher told a Mother Jones reporter that Mitt Romney was going to hell. ”
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2012/01/23/Santorum_Fla_Campaign_Head_Thinks_Gays_Make_God_Vomit/
“If they want to win a presidential election, they’d better choose Santorum or Romney.”
@ the notion *Santorum* could beat Obama: ROFLMAO!!!
Only Romney—or someone not yet named, at the Convention—has even a *chance* to beat Our President. And a diminishing chance (thank God) at that.
Newt Gingrich has a boatload of baggage, the least of which is his take on “family values”. Below is a link of some very serious charges that have just made there way foward:
Gingrich’s Arms Deals
Cuz that’s what we need, Warren, yet another man on the ballot that calls gay marriage (oh, wait, that’s “gay marriage” in scare quotes”) an “aberration.”
Kudos to you?
“If they want to win a presidential election, they’d better choose Santorum or Romney.”
@ the notion *Santorum* could beat Obama: ROFLMAO!!!
Only Romney—or someone not yet named, at the Convention—has even a *chance* to beat Our President. And a diminishing chance (thank God) at that.
Byron/Richard – Agreement all around.
Byron, I will probably write you in if Newt gets the nomination.
There are any number of reasons for people—even staunch conservatives like myself—to dislike Newt Gingrich. It is hard to believe that the Republican Party would be collectively stupid enough to nominate Newt to oppose Obama. I agree with Richard: the Democrat operatives are bound to be sporting big smiles today. If the Republicans want to win a debate, Newt can do that. If they want to win a presidential election, they’d better choose Santorum or Romney.
Some more info on similarities/ties between Gingrich and Barton
From: Mother Jones, website
Gingrich Praises Anti-Muslim Conspiracy Theorist
By Tim Murphy
Fri Mar. 25, 2011
Former House Speaker and likely GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich commenced his address at an American Family Association event in Iowa today by lavishing praise on a controversial amateur historian who believes that Jesus opposed the minimum wage and that Islamic extremists have literally infiltrated the Justice Department.
“I never listen to David Barton without learning a whole lot of new things,” Gingrich said, while inviting his audience to read the Texan’s writings on the Founding Fathers. “It’s amazing how much he knows and how consistently he applies that knowledge.”
And, From WallBuilders- Live Web Radio Show
December 26, 2011: Gingrich makes another guest appearance at Barton’s microphone
Show Title: “What do we do about an out of control Judiciary?”
The program begins with David Barton’s sidekick Rick Green announcing that their special guest today will be Newt Gingrich; who will be discussing his views on the current state-of-affairs in our federal judicial system. Gingrich doesn’t show up until the last several minutes of the broadcast, following a typical ‘rat-a-tat’ Barton fusillade about our bass-ackwards judges and their decisions.
When introduced by Rick Green, Gingrich again mistakenly believes he’s speaking to Barton:
“…Well, I’m always glad to be on, David, you are so extraordinarily knowledgeable about American History, and about the role of faith in our freedom. I’m just always thrilled just to have a chance to talk with you.”
Rick Green then begins (not really important, but nowhere in the entire interview does Barton even say ‘Hi’) the discussion at hand, and seeks Gingrich’s take on it. Once again, Gingrich cozies up:
“…and, of course, some of this goes back to some of your [Barton’s] teachings about the origins of America and the work you’ve done on the core beliefs of the Founding Fathers…”
And in conclusion, Green asks, if Gingrich should become President:
GREEN: “…is there a crop of attorneys and judges out there that understand history and understand originalism that you would have to choose from?”
GINGRICH: “You start looking people of the caliber of…you look at Regent’s University, you look at Liberty University …”
Emphasis on universities above is mine; but they were the first and only 2 universities Gingrich named in his general endorsement. As such, this caliber of legal education includes a law school that has, on its teaching faculty, an individual that includes, in her curriculum of required reading, work by David Barton.
I don’t know what kind of history credentials that Gingrich carries around with him, but the institutions that conveyed them upon him should be so ashamed that they should ask for them back. Giving credence to the malignant propaganda that Barton calls history is simply disgraceful.
Should anyone care to listen to this episode, it can be heard at the archives page for December 2011 at WallBuilders – Live. The specific day file as shown on that page would be for: Monday December 26, 2011. Here is the month page:
http://www.wallbuilderslive.com/archives.asp?d=201112
Gingrich scares me too. Remember all the White House lawyers under Bush that were from Liberty University? And the Liberty U prof that is mentioned above also worked with Barton when they were both on the board that was deciding Texas schools’ textbook content.
Newt Gingrich has a boatload of baggage, the least of which is his take on “family values”. Below is a link of some very serious charges that have just made there way foward:
Gingrich’s Arms Deals
Cuz that’s what we need, Warren, yet another man on the ballot that calls gay marriage (oh, wait, that’s “gay marriage” in scare quotes”) an “aberration.”
Kudos to you?
IF (and I think it very unlikely) Gingrich were to be selected, Obama would win.
Gingrich is, politically-speaking, just too flawed. And he cannot credibly play that old chestnut – the ‘I’m not sullied by Washington DC’ card.
I agree – Gingrich scares me because he is smart and I often do not agree with his perspective.
To my mind, that is not, of itself, a problem. I think Obama Mk 2 could be rather more effective than Obama Mk 1, especially if he selects a strong candidate for VP who could focus the work of the Administration more fruitfully (rather as Bush selected Cheney).
And Obama does hold some quite good cards. He can: remind people that the recession started in 2007 and finished in 2009; point to some evidence that his policy has helped end the recession and brought about growth, perhaps contrasting the situation with that here in Britain, where growth has ‘gone negative’ again; argue fairly credibly that the rise in unemployment has more-or-less stopped; make claims of some foreign policy successes; look dignified and reasonable.
What worries me is the effect of the views and activities of certain GOP contenders on the quality of political discourse, and even democracy itself. Given the almost demagogic, and often highly personal, modus operandi of the ‘radical right’, an Obama-Romney contest is what would serve best the interests of democracy.
Byron/Richard – Agreement all around.
Byron, I will probably write you in if Newt gets the nomination.
Richard – I agree. The biggest winner yesterday was Obama.
Some more info on similarities/ties between Gingrich and Barton
From: Mother Jones, website
Gingrich Praises Anti-Muslim Conspiracy Theorist
By Tim Murphy
Fri Mar. 25, 2011
Former House Speaker and likely GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich commenced his address at an American Family Association event in Iowa today by lavishing praise on a controversial amateur historian who believes that Jesus opposed the minimum wage and that Islamic extremists have literally infiltrated the Justice Department.
“I never listen to David Barton without learning a whole lot of new things,” Gingrich said, while inviting his audience to read the Texan’s writings on the Founding Fathers. “It’s amazing how much he knows and how consistently he applies that knowledge.”
And, From WallBuilders- Live Web Radio Show
December 26, 2011: Gingrich makes another guest appearance at Barton’s microphone
Show Title: “What do we do about an out of control Judiciary?”
The program begins with David Barton’s sidekick Rick Green announcing that their special guest today will be Newt Gingrich; who will be discussing his views on the current state-of-affairs in our federal judicial system. Gingrich doesn’t show up until the last several minutes of the broadcast, following a typical ‘rat-a-tat’ Barton fusillade about our bass-ackwards judges and their decisions.
When introduced by Rick Green, Gingrich again mistakenly believes he’s speaking to Barton:
“…Well, I’m always glad to be on, David, you are so extraordinarily knowledgeable about American History, and about the role of faith in our freedom. I’m just always thrilled just to have a chance to talk with you.”
Rick Green then begins (not really important, but nowhere in the entire interview does Barton even say ‘Hi’) the discussion at hand, and seeks Gingrich’s take on it. Once again, Gingrich cozies up:
“…and, of course, some of this goes back to some of your [Barton’s] teachings about the origins of America and the work you’ve done on the core beliefs of the Founding Fathers…”
And in conclusion, Green asks, if Gingrich should become President:
GREEN: “…is there a crop of attorneys and judges out there that understand history and understand originalism that you would have to choose from?”
GINGRICH: “You start looking people of the caliber of…you look at Regent’s University, you look at Liberty University …”
Emphasis on universities above is mine; but they were the first and only 2 universities Gingrich named in his general endorsement. As such, this caliber of legal education includes a law school that has, on its teaching faculty, an individual that includes, in her curriculum of required reading, work by David Barton.
I don’t know what kind of history credentials that Gingrich carries around with him, but the institutions that conveyed them upon him should be so ashamed that they should ask for them back. Giving credence to the malignant propaganda that Barton calls history is simply disgraceful.
Should anyone care to listen to this episode, it can be heard at the archives page for December 2011 at WallBuilders – Live. The specific day file as shown on that page would be for: Monday December 26, 2011. Here is the month page:
http://www.wallbuilderslive.com/archives.asp?d=201112
Gingrich scares me too. Remember all the White House lawyers under Bush that were from Liberty University? And the Liberty U prof that is mentioned above also worked with Barton when they were both on the board that was deciding Texas schools’ textbook content.
If I were a GOP strategist, I would crying in my cups; if I were a Democratic Party strategist, I would be enjoying a wee celebratory drinky. Polls currently suggest that both Romney and Santorum have a better chance of beating Obama than does Gingrich (who has that personal, and – more importantly perhaps – political ‘baggage’).
Wily – but also, to so many of us cynical western Europeans, Lovable – Old Bill could, I’m sure, advise the President how best to make political mincemeat out of a Gingrich candidature (and anyway, it could be argued that Bill ‘owes Newt one’!).
People like Gingrich are generally not well regarded by the western European ‘chattering classes’. (If the USA wants really good relations with its traditional European allies, a second term for Obama is probably the best bet, although I strongly suspect that Romney was considered the best GOP candidate for the 2008 election in several western European capitals.)
IF (and I think it very unlikely) Gingrich were to be selected, Obama would win.
Gingrich is, politically-speaking, just too flawed. And he cannot credibly play that old chestnut – the ‘I’m not sullied by Washington DC’ card.
I agree – Gingrich scares me because he is smart and I often do not agree with his perspective.
To my mind, that is not, of itself, a problem. I think Obama Mk 2 could be rather more effective than Obama Mk 1, especially if he selects a strong candidate for VP who could focus the work of the Administration more fruitfully (rather as Bush selected Cheney).
And Obama does hold some quite good cards. He can: remind people that the recession started in 2007 and finished in 2009; point to some evidence that his policy has helped end the recession and brought about growth, perhaps contrasting the situation with that here in Britain, where growth has ‘gone negative’ again; argue fairly credibly that the rise in unemployment has more-or-less stopped; make claims of some foreign policy successes; look dignified and reasonable.
What worries me is the effect of the views and activities of certain GOP contenders on the quality of political discourse, and even democracy itself. Given the almost demagogic, and often highly personal, modus operandi of the ‘radical right’, an Obama-Romney contest is what would serve best the interests of democracy.
Richard – I agree. The biggest winner yesterday was Obama.
If I were a GOP strategist, I would crying in my cups; if I were a Democratic Party strategist, I would be enjoying a wee celebratory drinky. Polls currently suggest that both Romney and Santorum have a better chance of beating Obama than does Gingrich (who has that personal, and – more importantly perhaps – political ‘baggage’).
Wily – but also, to so many of us cynical western Europeans, Lovable – Old Bill could, I’m sure, advise the President how best to make political mincemeat out of a Gingrich candidature (and anyway, it could be argued that Bill ‘owes Newt one’!).
People like Gingrich are generally not well regarded by the western European ‘chattering classes’. (If the USA wants really good relations with its traditional European allies, a second term for Obama is probably the best bet, although I strongly suspect that Romney was considered the best GOP candidate for the 2008 election in several western European capitals.)