…and guess who is #7?
More Ugandans who have trouble with the Anti-Homosexuality Bill; perhaps the country is not as monolithic as some would have us believe.
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Brown Shirt? I am not a follower of il duche and this is not 1920s Europe. But lets wait for Doc Throckmorton to act on the other thread. Okay?
Richard, in spite of our deep disagreements, I do have some respect for you. I wish you and those close to you a merry xmas and happy new year !!! 😀
OWTTE = or words to that effect, by the way.
You’re an intelligent guy; I’m sure you understand the distinction I’ve cited (i.e. that between ‘openness’ and ‘advocacy’), and the complex jurisprudential issues around the concept of ‘promoting something’.
Thanks Maazi.
(Note the [temporary] removal of the inverted commas – let’s call it ‘Christmas truce’!)
Can’t seem to do smilies – sorry!
P.S. I was interested by your remark that someone would not be criminalise because they said they were gay, but only if they ‘advocated for a gay lifestyle’ (OWTTE). Are you certain that this very important distinction (‘honesty’ as opposed to ‘advocacy’) would be respected under law if a ‘revised’ BB were to be enacted?
It is well known that mainstream Ugandan newspapers/magazines largely supports gayism long before the Bahati Bill even came into existence. The Observer, Independent and the Daily Monitor are well known to support gayism. There is nothing new about this Kampala Dispatch. This is why I was quite surprised that Westerners were making hysteric noises about a small anti-gay publication like Rolling Stone which has next to nothing in circulation terms. In any case, Ugandans do not decide their moral bearings from from newspaper articles. If they did take their lead from newspapers then Pew Research Associates would never have found that 95% of Ugandans oppose gayism in 2007 ( I actually think 98% is more accurate then and now).
Richard,
I currently cannot post at the moment at the thread containing the blog article on UN gay resolution. I think it is best to allow Dr. Throckmorton sort out the moderation issues over there before we continue since that thread is much better for the flow of conversation.
Pew say 79% as of April 2010 … and that was before the ‘poo poo follies’.
Correction: there was a (Feb.) ‘poo’ before April,and another (May) ‘poo’ after.
‘Maazi’
Are YOU perhaps involved in pushing the Bill forward? Or just a ‘cheerleader’ (in a brown shirt, perhaps)?
‘Maazi’
Why might our knowing your real name interfere with ‘the processing of the Bahati Bill’?
That is not right that is being done there in Uganda. It’s in human many of us have lost out because of that silly bill.
That is not right that is being done there in Uganda. It’s in human many of us have lost out because of that silly bill.
Bahati studied in the U.K. (and not that long ago) at Cardiff University. It might be interesting what British connections he has / had.
I didn’t realise he was (allegedly) so rich. There was an article in the Daily Monitor a few months back, making him out to be a ‘man of the people’. Interesting …
Thanks for the ref. Ole.
I think the last line of the article is very telling:
It’s pretty obvious Bahati isn’t concerned about “unnecessary public excitement” when it comes to gays, so it must be this particular issue he doesn’t want the public looking at too closely.
Bahati studied in the U.K. (and not that long ago) at Cardiff University. It might be interesting what British connections he has / had.
I didn’t realise he was (allegedly) so rich. There was an article in the Daily Monitor a few months back, making him out to be a ‘man of the people’. Interesting …
Thanks for the ref. Ole.
I think the last line of the article is very telling:
It’s pretty obvious Bahati isn’t concerned about “unnecessary public excitement” when it comes to gays, so it must be this particular issue he doesn’t want the public looking at too closely.
More on Bahati.
http://dispatch.ug/2011/01/13/the-other-side-of-david-bahati/
More on Bahati.
http://dispatch.ug/2011/01/13/the-other-side-of-david-bahati/
James Onen,
I will start by saying that your attempts to portray gayism as an identity akin to race is just rubbish not founded on any credible conclusive science. There is no gay gene. Quit kidding yourself. Name-dropping Martin Luther King will not change these facts.
You keep referring to Ugandans as semi-literates and illiterates, implying that people who revile gayism are uneducated, backward people—an argument popular among pro-gay propagandists of which you are certainly one. Like I said in one of my earlier posts, I am well-travelled man. I have been to first-world nations like Singapore, where a 2007 campaign to repeal the sodomy laws proved unpopular with almost 70% of the population, forcing the government there to keep the penal code in place. There are other relatively rich nations such as Malaysia and UAE where gayism is equally reviled. My point is that literacy or socio-economic status does not determine whether or not one thinks gayism is right or wrong. Hedonism— or lack of it —is the driving force in determining how people perceive gayism. Gay sex is not a HUMAN RIGHT and is not covered by the 1948 UN Declaration of Human Rights despite latter day attempts to re-interpret its provisions to cover the depraved sexual activity.
I can see you are spitting fire, getting all emotional and throwing around cheap insults because you are desperate to have sexual perversion legalized in Uganda. I have already thrown the gauntlet to you and your gay sex buddies—–If you are confident that our constitution protects that debased sexual activity which you adore and worship, then by all means, go to the courts and have the Sex Offenders Act of 2000 struck down. Its simple really and much easier than spitting fire on the pages of Warren Throckmorton’s blog.
James Onen,
I will start by saying that your attempts to portray gayism as an identity akin to race is just rubbish not founded on any credible conclusive science. There is no gay gene. Quit kidding yourself. Name-dropping Martin Luther King will not change these facts.
You keep referring to Ugandans as semi-literates and illiterates, implying that people who revile gayism are uneducated, backward people—an argument popular among pro-gay propagandists of which you are certainly one. Like I said in one of my earlier posts, I am well-travelled man. I have been to first-world nations like Singapore, where a 2007 campaign to repeal the sodomy laws proved unpopular with almost 70% of the population, forcing the government there to keep the penal code in place. There are other relatively rich nations such as Malaysia and UAE where gayism is equally reviled. My point is that literacy or socio-economic status does not determine whether or not one thinks gayism is right or wrong. Hedonism— or lack of it —is the driving force in determining how people perceive gayism. Gay sex is not a HUMAN RIGHT and is not covered by the 1948 UN Declaration of Human Rights despite latter day attempts to re-interpret its provisions to cover the depraved sexual activity.
I can see you are spitting fire, getting all emotional and throwing around cheap insults because you are desperate to have sexual perversion legalized in Uganda. I have already thrown the gauntlet to you and your gay sex buddies—–If you are confident that our constitution protects that debased sexual activity which you adore and worship, then by all means, go to the courts and have the Sex Offenders Act of 2000 struck down. Its simple really and much easier than spitting fire on the pages of Warren Throckmorton’s blog.
Thank you, Maazi.
I hope your Christmas was pleasant, and that next Christmas will be an even better one for ALL Ugandans.
I am never rattled by anything.
Never thought it would last anyway. Hope you enjoyed your xmas holiday 😀
Thank you, Maazi.
I hope your Christmas was pleasant, and that next Christmas will be an even better one for ALL Ugandans.
I am never rattled by anything.
Never thought it would last anyway. Hope you enjoyed your xmas holiday 😀
You sound a little rattled, ‘Maazi’.
(Christmas truce over … inverted are commas back!)
Question for you:-
IF gay orientation IS innate (and there are suggestions that it might be) to a person, how can you justify comparing your gay compatriots to fraudsters who, for example, deny that the Holocaust ever happened?
James Onen,
I will start by saying that I seriously doubt that you know who I am. There are quite a number of electrical engineers in Uganda with masters degrees from abroad. No need to suspect someone who is definitely not Maazi NCO.
I read your entire long drawn apologia on “gay rights”. It was entertaining despite being convoluted. As in the case of burglars and fraudsters, I do not recognize gay sex offenders as a distinct biological category of humans because gayism is neither genetic nor an immutable identity like race. No one has provided CREDIBLE and conclusive scientific evidence to the contrary. In almost 80 nations worldwide that criminalize gayism and even in the remaining 112 nations where gayism is legal, many people—religious or irreligious— do not accept such deviant behaviour as genetic and its practitioners are not regarded as a distinct identity akin to race or ethnicity. Your comment about the majority of Ugandans being irrational for rejecting such sexual behaviour as anti-social, inhuman and deviant is a matter of opinion not agreeable with most here. Please stop twisting and turning the Ugandan constitution upside down. The constitution does not protect sexual depravity as it is not in the public interest as presented in article (43) and spin-offs such as gay marriage is explicitly banned in article (31). Misinterpreting the Ugandan constitution will not get you and your gay sex practitioner friends anywhere. It is noteworthy that in Botswana which has a similar constitution, gay sex practitioners tried thrice—2003, 2004 and 2006—-to have the sodomy laws struck down and failed on each occasion. If you are confident that Uganda will be different then mobilize your gay sex buddies, collect money from liberal westerners and mount a court challenge against our Sex Offenders Act of 2000. Use the arguments you have made on this forum to try to convince our judges to strike out the anti-gay law rather than burn energy here twisting provisions of our constitution to support sexual perversion.
You sound a little rattled, ‘Maazi’.
(Christmas truce over … inverted are commas back!)
Question for you:-
IF gay orientation IS innate (and there are suggestions that it might be) to a person, how can you justify comparing your gay compatriots to fraudsters who, for example, deny that the Holocaust ever happened?
James Onen,
I will start by saying that I seriously doubt that you know who I am. There are quite a number of electrical engineers in Uganda with masters degrees from abroad. No need to suspect someone who is definitely not Maazi NCO.
I read your entire long drawn apologia on “gay rights”. It was entertaining despite being convoluted. As in the case of burglars and fraudsters, I do not recognize gay sex offenders as a distinct biological category of humans because gayism is neither genetic nor an immutable identity like race. No one has provided CREDIBLE and conclusive scientific evidence to the contrary. In almost 80 nations worldwide that criminalize gayism and even in the remaining 112 nations where gayism is legal, many people—religious or irreligious— do not accept such deviant behaviour as genetic and its practitioners are not regarded as a distinct identity akin to race or ethnicity. Your comment about the majority of Ugandans being irrational for rejecting such sexual behaviour as anti-social, inhuman and deviant is a matter of opinion not agreeable with most here. Please stop twisting and turning the Ugandan constitution upside down. The constitution does not protect sexual depravity as it is not in the public interest as presented in article (43) and spin-offs such as gay marriage is explicitly banned in article (31). Misinterpreting the Ugandan constitution will not get you and your gay sex practitioner friends anywhere. It is noteworthy that in Botswana which has a similar constitution, gay sex practitioners tried thrice—2003, 2004 and 2006—-to have the sodomy laws struck down and failed on each occasion. If you are confident that Uganda will be different then mobilize your gay sex buddies, collect money from liberal westerners and mount a court challenge against our Sex Offenders Act of 2000. Use the arguments you have made on this forum to try to convince our judges to strike out the anti-gay law rather than burn energy here twisting provisions of our constitution to support sexual perversion.
OWTTE = or words to that effect, by the way.
You’re an intelligent guy; I’m sure you understand the distinction I’ve cited (i.e. that between ‘openness’ and ‘advocacy’), and the complex jurisprudential issues around the concept of ‘promoting something’.
Thanks Maazi.
(Note the [temporary] removal of the inverted commas – let’s call it ‘Christmas truce’!)
Can’t seem to do smilies – sorry!
P.S. I was interested by your remark that someone would not be criminalise because they said they were gay, but only if they ‘advocated for a gay lifestyle’ (OWTTE). Are you certain that this very important distinction (‘honesty’ as opposed to ‘advocacy’) would be respected under law if a ‘revised’ BB were to be enacted?
Richard, in spite of our deep disagreements, I do have some respect for you. I wish you and those close to you a merry xmas and happy new year !!! 😀
Brown Shirt? I am not a follower of il duche and this is not 1920s Europe. But lets wait for Doc Throckmorton to act on the other thread. Okay?
OK. Speak later.
I’ll be very busy over the next few days, so – in case we don’t communicate before – have a good Christmas.
Richard,
I currently cannot post at the moment at the thread containing the blog article on UN gay resolution. I think it is best to allow Dr. Throckmorton sort out the moderation issues over there before we continue since that thread is much better for the flow of conversation.
‘Maazi’
Are YOU perhaps involved in pushing the Bill forward? Or just a ‘cheerleader’ (in a brown shirt, perhaps)?
‘Maazi’
Why might our knowing your real name interfere with ‘the processing of the Bahati Bill’?
I use a pseudonym to avoid the sort of propaganda that has been used against David Bahati. The type that seeks to divert attention to some supposedly powerful organization called The Family. I will reveal my name if you so desire, but only when I am sure that it will not interfere with the processing of the Bahati Bill.
OK. Speak later.
I’ll be very busy over the next few days, so – in case we don’t communicate before – have a good Christmas.
I use a pseudonym to avoid the sort of propaganda that has been used against David Bahati. The type that seeks to divert attention to some supposedly powerful organization called The Family. I will reveal my name if you so desire, but only when I am sure that it will not interfere with the processing of the Bahati Bill.
Correction: there was a (Feb.) ‘poo’ before April,and another (May) ‘poo’ after.
Pew say 79% as of April 2010 … and that was before the ‘poo poo follies’.
It is well known that mainstream Ugandan newspapers/magazines largely supports gayism long before the Bahati Bill even came into existence. The Observer, Independent and the Daily Monitor are well known to support gayism. There is nothing new about this Kampala Dispatch. This is why I was quite surprised that Westerners were making hysteric noises about a small anti-gay publication like Rolling Stone which has next to nothing in circulation terms. In any case, Ugandans do not decide their moral bearings from from newspaper articles. If they did take their lead from newspapers then Pew Research Associates would never have found that 95% of Ugandans oppose gayism in 2007 ( I actually think 98% is more accurate then and now).