Kenyan Prime Minister calls for arrests of gays

According to this report, Kenya’s Prime Minister Raila Odinga said on Sunday that homosexuals should be arrested.

Mr Odinga on Sunday said that police should arrest anyone found engaging in such behaviours and take appropriate legal action against them.

“We will not tolerate such behaviours in the country. The constitution is very clear on this issue and men or women found engaging in homosexuality will not be spared,” Mr Odinga said.

“Any man found engaging in sexual activities with another man should be arrested. Even women found engaging in sexual activities will be arrested,” the premier warned.

Speaking at a public rally at the Kamukunji grounds in his Nairobi’s Kibera constituency on Sunday afternoon, the Prime Minister cited the recent population census results which put the ratio of men to women equal and wondered why people should engage in homosexuality.

Odinga is no stranger to controversy. He and current President Kibaki agreed to a power sharing agreement after a disputed presidential election in 2007. Violence following the disputed results left thousands dead and many more displaced. He once claimed to be a cousin of President Obama but Odinga offered no evidence. Last year, Kenya launched a census of gays in order to aid HIV/AIDS treatment. At the time, gays were afraid to come forward. Now it is understandable why they would be.
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According to this Unificationist church website, Odinga welcomed Moon’s church to Kenya for their Global Peace Festival.

71 thoughts on “Kenyan Prime Minister calls for arrests of gays”

  1. Maazi

    We all know that too many Kenyans and Ugandans share your views. What is encouraging is that people who do NOT share your view are becoming more vocal – thanks in part to one David Bahati, who has ‘made people think’ about what they really want in terms of the kind of society in which they are living.

    If I thought that you were wrong about homophobic attitudes in places like Kenya and UG, I would not bother to take part in this human rights campaign.

    As far as Uganda being ‘left alone’ is concerned: sorry – you have no control over that … which applies – up to a point – to all our respective countries.

  2. Well, it seems that Kenya feeling is deeply divided on what their PM has said. I’ve not had time to read all the comments, still less to prepare a digest …

    http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Kenyanews/Arrest-gays,-Kenyan-PM-orders-10670.html#ixzz16ar3vBXI

    I wouldn’t bother about those. Pew Research Associates of America conducted about African attitudes to religion and other matters and in the case of Kenya they found that 98% of that nation’s population was opposed to gayism. The pro-gay commentators online are an infinitesimal segment of the Kenyan citizenry. I am sorry to burst your hopeful bubble.

  3. It seems that evangelical America has become obsessed with gay sex. Just like Maazi.

    Not really. I am interested in getting Westerners to leave the Ugandan people alone to run their own country. I am not interested in your nation’s culture wars. I actually observe your current battles over gayism in the US courts and in the US congress with detached interest. I don’t care whether you guys scrap or retain Bill Clinton’s DADT policy that allows sex deviants to serve secretly in the US Armed Forces. I couldn’t care less if all 50 states were to suddenly agree to gay marriage. You can do whatever you like within the borders of the USA. Just keep away from Uganda !!

  4. Maazi

    The FCO already knows about this, of course.

    I’m deeply flattered that you feel the need to mention me so often in your posts. I must have ‘made an impact’!

    But are we ever going to see your now famous alleged ‘recruitment’ leaflets? That is the question …

  5. Maazi

    How’s your ‘evidence’ coming along, by the way?

    Warren

    Is there a ‘time limit’ re. its presentation?

  6. Homosexual relations between men are criminlised, but those between women … so Odinga’s call to ‘lock up women’ is not supported in Kenya law.

    Okay then, why not take two UK lesbians to Kenya on Safari and see what happens when they exhibit their anti-social behaviour? BTW, when they are arrested, let them produce a print out of your beloved Wikipedia page to defend their actions.

  7. The article above doesn’t actually mention of the sex of the teachers, but this one does:

    http://childabusedata.blogspot.com/2010/10/hundreds-of-kenyan-teachers-sacked-over.html

    Also, it great to see the BBC World Service providing a ‘helping hand’ in the business of aprehending these wicked men:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldhaveyoursay/2010/10/on_air_sex_abuse_in_kenyas_sch.html

    Is Odinga getting his priorities all wrong? As a senior educator (who has had overall responsibility for the pastoral care of cohorts of 16 and 17 year olds, and, incidentally, has been [and still is] responsible for the education and pastoral care of a significant number of students of African ethnic backgrounds), I certainly think so.

    It is however encouraging that at least some action has been taken by the Kenyan authorities, and that both Kenya and Uganda have laws to protect both girls and boys from this terrible crime.

  8. Maazi

    I think you’re getting rather hysterical.

    Ha, ha, ha. I am never hysterical. There is no need to be. I would say that it is you who is hysterical. How many times have the poor fellow at the Foreign & Commonwealth Office had had to take your calls which never ceases. Perhaps, they may need to designate a special hotline for your exclusive use? 😀

    You really don’t like people challenging/questioning your prejudices, do you?

    As a matter of fact, I do like people to challenge me. Many years ago, I was once a prominent member of my secondary school’s Debating Society. I love debates and constructive arguments. That is why I am still here articulating my views carefully and lucidly to all you Westerners who are quite intolerant of anyone who rejects the western way of doing things.

    And why don’t tell us who you really are? Why are you so afraid of reasonable, non-violent people like us?

    If this is an attempt to psycho-analyze me, then allow me to declare you a complete failure. 🙂

  9. Maazi

    I’ve just notice you have said ‘we’ in relation to the Bahati Bill. Are you personally involved with it?

  10. Come on, Maazi, dear. The idea that Britain can ‘do exactly as it pleases’ (e.g. chucking into prison whomever we feel like doing that to – depending on the political whim of whoever happens to be in power at a given moment) and be ‘left alone’ is laughable!!!

    I was in my final year in the United Kingdom when Tony Blair’s government passed the 2005 anti-terrorism act, which effectively allowed the State to detain and keep terror suspects incommunicado— without access to lawyers and in some cases, the suspects are not even told why they are being detained. Richard, please don’t talk nonsense. Stick to the facts.

    We all know that too many Kenyans and Ugandans share your views. What is encouraging is that people who do NOT share your view are becoming more vocal – thanks in part to one David Bahati, who has ‘made people think’ about what they really want in terms of the kind of society in which they are living.

    There is nothing encouraging because the so-called vocal few pro-gay Africans are proxies manipulated by western gay lobby groups. These proxies run gay propaganda blogs and scream their gay views on the pages of western newspapers and appeal to liberal Western public opinion. These foreign-controlled busy-bodies are not making any impact on public opinion in Africa. Our main concern here in Uganda is to ensure that the impressionable youth are not mislead by militant gay sex advocates. So we are reviewing the original Bahati Bill to delete the crude, extreme and absurd provisions in it. When we are done, we shall pass the thoroughly revised bill into law.

  11. Oh Maazi, dear

    As I’ve said before, if YOU make accusations, YOU should provide the evidence to back them.

    (Why do you assume that your opponents would wish to falsely incriminate themselves? That is just pure fantasy, isn’t it?)

    I’ll await your ‘evidence’, assuming you are in a position to provide any.

    I really don’t think that it is fruitful for us to continue our dialogue until you do … at which point we discuss/analyse it together (assuming such a point is ever reached, which I doubt will be the case – if I’m honest).

  12. I’m not actually sure that gay sex per se is criminalised in Kenya. ‘Gay marriage’ is not provided for – I know that.

    Okay, then. Please visit the East African nation on Safari and exhibit gay behaviour publicly (or even privately) with a fellow man and find yourself charged under sections 162, 163, 164 and 165 of the penal code of the Republic of Kenya.

    By calling for people who engage in private consensual sex to be locked up, Odinga may in fact be contradicting the laws of his own country.

    Of course, the British Overlord Richard Willmer understands the laws of Kenya better than that nation’s Prime Minister. Of course, Africans are too stupid to understand their nations’ laws

    Public ‘gay weddings’ would be a different matter, I suspect. I’ll check this point with my ‘legal contacts’

    I have better idea—-contact Her Majesty’s Foreign and Commonwealth Office for the umpteenth time. I am sure they will be able to answers this particular question immediately.

  13. Maazi

    I think you’re getting rather hysterical.

    You really don’t like people challenging/questioning your prejudices, do you?

    Anyway, how’s your ‘evidence’ coming along?

    And why don’t tell us who you really are? Why are you so afraid of reasonable, non-violent people like us?

  14. Maazi

    If you say so …

    How’s your ‘evidence’ coming along?

    You sound like a broken record. Perhaps, its time to change tune. I have already addressed the matter you raised in previous threads. I shall not address it any further since you already know that your allies within Uganda can provide that “evidence”.

  15. Odinga’s new found ‘interest’ in homosexuality seems rather curious, given this:

    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/680450/-/uokf2c/-/index.html

    (It’s an old article that talks about the shocking abuse of GIRLS by their [male] teachers. I think it useful to remind [certain] people of ‘reality’ – given the current fashion in parts of Africa to blame just about any social ill on gay people.)

  16. Maazi

    I think your getting rather hysterical.

    You don’t like people challenging/questioning your prejudices, do you?

    Anyway, how’s your ‘evidence’ coming along?

    And why don’t tell us who you really are? Why are you so afraid of reasonable, non-violent people like us?

  17. Well, the Prime Minister Raila Odinga was only stating the obvious. Anyone who violates the sex crime laws of the Republic of Kenya should be arrested and prosecuted. Simple and short. BTW, he is expected to transform into President Raila Odinga in 2012.

  18. The article above doesn’t actually mention of the sex of the teachers, but this one does:

    http://childabusedata.blogspot.com/2010/10/hundreds-of-kenyan-teachers-sacked-over.html

    Also, it great to see the BBC World Service providing a ‘helping hand’ in the business of aprehending these wicked men:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldhaveyoursay/2010/10/on_air_sex_abuse_in_kenyas_sch.html

    Is Odinga getting his priorities all wrong? As a senior educator (who has had overall responsibility for the pastoral care of cohorts of 16 and 17 year olds, and, incidentally, has been [and still is] responsible for the education and pastoral care of a significant number of students of African ethnic backgrounds), I certainly think so.

    It is however encouraging that at least some action has been taken by the Kenyan authorities, and that both Kenya and Uganda have laws to protect both girls and boys from this terrible crime.

  19. Odinga’s new found ‘interest’ in homosexuality seems rather curious, given this:

    http://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/680450/-/uokf2c/-/index.html

    (It’s an old article that talks about the shocking abuse of GIRLS by their [male] teachers. I think it useful to remind [certain] people of ‘reality’ – given the current fashion in parts of Africa to blame just about any social ill on gay people.)

  20. Oh Maazi, dear

    As I’ve said before, if YOU make accusations, YOU should provide the evidence to back them.

    (Why do you assume that your opponents would wish to falsely incriminate themselves? That is just pure fantasy, isn’t it?)

    I’ll await your ‘evidence’, assuming you are in a position to provide any.

    I really don’t think that it is fruitful for us to continue our dialogue until you do … at which point we discuss/analyse it together (assuming such a point is ever reached, which I doubt will be the case – if I’m honest).

  21. Maazi

    If you say so …

    How’s your ‘evidence’ coming along?

    You sound like a broken record. Perhaps, its time to change tune. I have already addressed the matter you raised in previous threads. I shall not address it any further since you already know that your allies within Uganda can provide that “evidence”.

  22. Maazi

    I think you’re getting rather hysterical.

    Ha, ha, ha. I am never hysterical. There is no need to be. I would say that it is you who is hysterical. How many times have the poor fellow at the Foreign & Commonwealth Office had had to take your calls which never ceases. Perhaps, they may need to designate a special hotline for your exclusive use? 😀

    You really don’t like people challenging/questioning your prejudices, do you?

    As a matter of fact, I do like people to challenge me. Many years ago, I was once a prominent member of my secondary school’s Debating Society. I love debates and constructive arguments. That is why I am still here articulating my views carefully and lucidly to all you Westerners who are quite intolerant of anyone who rejects the western way of doing things.

    And why don’t tell us who you really are? Why are you so afraid of reasonable, non-violent people like us?

    If this is an attempt to psycho-analyze me, then allow me to declare you a complete failure. 🙂

  23. Maazi

    I’ve just notice you have said ‘we’ in relation to the Bahati Bill. Are you personally involved with it?

  24. Maazi

    I think you’re getting rather hysterical.

    You really don’t like people challenging/questioning your prejudices, do you?

    Anyway, how’s your ‘evidence’ coming along?

    And why don’t tell us who you really are? Why are you so afraid of reasonable, non-violent people like us?

  25. Maazi

    I think your getting rather hysterical.

    You don’t like people challenging/questioning your prejudices, do you?

    Anyway, how’s your ‘evidence’ coming along?

    And why don’t tell us who you really are? Why are you so afraid of reasonable, non-violent people like us?

  26. Come on, Maazi, dear. The idea that Britain can ‘do exactly as it pleases’ (e.g. chucking into prison whomever we feel like doing that to – depending on the political whim of whoever happens to be in power at a given moment) and be ‘left alone’ is laughable!!!

    I was in my final year in the United Kingdom when Tony Blair’s government passed the 2005 anti-terrorism act, which effectively allowed the State to detain and keep terror suspects incommunicado— without access to lawyers and in some cases, the suspects are not even told why they are being detained. Richard, please don’t talk nonsense. Stick to the facts.

    We all know that too many Kenyans and Ugandans share your views. What is encouraging is that people who do NOT share your view are becoming more vocal – thanks in part to one David Bahati, who has ‘made people think’ about what they really want in terms of the kind of society in which they are living.

    There is nothing encouraging because the so-called vocal few pro-gay Africans are proxies manipulated by western gay lobby groups. These proxies run gay propaganda blogs and scream their gay views on the pages of western newspapers and appeal to liberal Western public opinion. These foreign-controlled busy-bodies are not making any impact on public opinion in Africa. Our main concern here in Uganda is to ensure that the impressionable youth are not mislead by militant gay sex advocates. So we are reviewing the original Bahati Bill to delete the crude, extreme and absurd provisions in it. When we are done, we shall pass the thoroughly revised bill into law.

  27. Homosexual relations between men are criminlised, but those between women … so Odinga’s call to ‘lock up women’ is not supported in Kenya law.

    Okay then, why not take two UK lesbians to Kenya on Safari and see what happens when they exhibit their anti-social behaviour? BTW, when they are arrested, let them produce a print out of your beloved Wikipedia page to defend their actions.

  28. I’m not actually sure that gay sex per se is criminalised in Kenya. ‘Gay marriage’ is not provided for – I know that.

    Okay, then. Please visit the East African nation on Safari and exhibit gay behaviour publicly (or even privately) with a fellow man and find yourself charged under sections 162, 163, 164 and 165 of the penal code of the Republic of Kenya.

    By calling for people who engage in private consensual sex to be locked up, Odinga may in fact be contradicting the laws of his own country.

    Of course, the British Overlord Richard Willmer understands the laws of Kenya better than that nation’s Prime Minister. Of course, Africans are too stupid to understand their nations’ laws

    Public ‘gay weddings’ would be a different matter, I suspect. I’ll check this point with my ‘legal contacts’

    I have better idea—-contact Her Majesty’s Foreign and Commonwealth Office for the umpteenth time. I am sure they will be able to answers this particular question immediately.

  29. Maazi

    How’s your ‘evidence’ coming along, by the way?

    Warren

    Is there a ‘time limit’ re. its presentation?

  30. I’m not actually sure that gay sex per se is criminalised in Kenya. ‘Gay marriage’ is not provided for – I know that.

    By calling for people who engage in private consensual sex to be locked up, Odinga may in fact be contradicting the laws of his own country.

    Public ‘gay weddings’ would be a different matter, I suspect.

    I’ll check this point with my ‘legal contacts’ …

  31. Come on, Maazi, dear. The idea that Britain can ‘do exactly as it pleases’ (e.g. chucking into prison whomever we feel like doing that to – depending on the political whim of whoever happens to be in power at a given moment) and be ‘left alone’ is laughable!!!

  32. Maazi

    We all know that too many Kenyans and Ugandans share your views. What is encouraging is that people who do NOT share your view are becoming more vocal – thanks in part to one David Bahati, who has ‘made people think’ about what they really want in terms of the kind of society in which they are living.

    If I thought that you were wrong about homophobic attitudes in places like Kenya and UG, I would not bother to take part in this human rights campaign.

    As far as Uganda being ‘left alone’ is concerned: sorry – you have no control over that … which applies – up to a point – to all our respective countries.

  33. It seems that evangelical America has become obsessed with gay sex. Just like Maazi.

    Not really. I am interested in getting Westerners to leave the Ugandan people alone to run their own country. I am not interested in your nation’s culture wars. I actually observe your current battles over gayism in the US courts and in the US congress with detached interest. I don’t care whether you guys scrap or retain Bill Clinton’s DADT policy that allows sex deviants to serve secretly in the US Armed Forces. I couldn’t care less if all 50 states were to suddenly agree to gay marriage. You can do whatever you like within the borders of the USA. Just keep away from Uganda !!

  34. And here’s a comment form one of those Ugandan intellectuals whom Maazi says don’t exist:-

    “The Talaba[n] started with simple rules like, women should not show their hair in public, and we all know where this ended. By continuing to think that we can ignore the rantings of bahati (and now odinga) eventually this anti GLBT law will be pas[sed] and before you now it, they will start on a new one of NO HETEROSEXUAL SEX OUT OF MARRIAGE. ……”

    Sounds like what a professional gay sex propagandist will argue. I have heard our local militants argue likewise in Kampala. Not surprising a good number of the comments online are pro-gay after all gay sex activists are one of the highest users of internet in Africa. It is how they keep in touch with their Western patrons and network with each other to break the law. Anyways, the online “debate” is a mere academic exercise because at the end of the day the wider Kenyan society is not really debating this matter. Gayism is still illegal there with 98% support of the citizenry.

  35. Well, it seems that Kenya feeling is deeply divided on what their PM has said. I’ve not had time to read all the comments, still less to prepare a digest …

    http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/Kenyanews/Arrest-gays,-Kenyan-PM-orders-10670.html#ixzz16ar3vBXI

    I wouldn’t bother about those. Pew Research Associates of America conducted about African attitudes to religion and other matters and in the case of Kenya they found that 98% of that nation’s population was opposed to gayism. The pro-gay commentators online are an infinitesimal segment of the Kenyan citizenry. I am sorry to burst your hopeful bubble.

  36. Richard, so it (the gay issue) is, obviously. Just as it is used here in the States to divert attention away from what is obviously wrong and onto something of at best marginal importance to anyone who isn’t gay. It seems that evangelical America has become obsessed with gay sex. Just like Maazi.

  37. Another comment from UG:-

    “The gay issue is often used as a political red herring. Kenya [and] Uganda are perfect examples…”

  38. And here’s a comment form one of those Ugandan intellectuals whom Maazi says don’t exist:-

    “The Talaba[n] started with simple rules like, women should not show their hair in public, and we all know where this ended. By continuing to think that we can ignore the rantings of bahati (and now odinga) eventually this anti GLBT law will be pas[sed] and before you now it, they will start on a new one of NO HETEROSEXUAL SEX OUT OF MARRIAGE. Should we wait till such a time when religious/cultural taboos are used to dictate the law process? Well guess what, it is a cultural norm and a sign of respect and maturity in some tribes for female genital mutilation, should politicians from these tribes gain power and decide all women go through this, will we wait till then? It sounds far fetched but think for a second, so was hanging, or even imprisoning homosexuals 10 years ago.”

  39. Maazi

    The FCO already knows about this, of course.

    I’m deeply flattered that you feel the need to mention me so often in your posts. I must have ‘made an impact’!

    But are we ever going to see your now famous alleged ‘recruitment’ leaflets? That is the question …

  40. Well, I guess Richard Willmer will have to telephone the Foreign and Commonwealth Office to complain about the insolence of a Prime Minister who cannot understand that Kenya is a defacto vassal state of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. 🙂

  41. Well, the Prime Minister Raila Odinga was only stating the obvious. Anyone who violates the sex crime laws of the Republic of Kenya should be arrested and prosecuted. Simple and short. BTW, he is expected to transform into President Raila Odinga in 2012.

  42. I’m not actually sure that gay sex per se is criminalised in Kenya. ‘Gay marriage’ is not provided for – I know that.

    By calling for people who engage in private consensual sex to be locked up, Odinga may in fact be contradicting the laws of his own country.

    Public ‘gay weddings’ would be a different matter, I suspect.

    I’ll check this point with my ‘legal contacts’ …

  43. Come on, Maazi, dear. The idea that Britain can ‘do exactly as it pleases’ (e.g. chucking into prison whomever we feel like doing that to – depending on the political whim of whoever happens to be in power at a given moment) and be ‘left alone’ is laughable!!!

  44. And here’s a comment form one of those Ugandan intellectuals whom Maazi says don’t exist:-

    “The Talaba[n] started with simple rules like, women should not show their hair in public, and we all know where this ended. By continuing to think that we can ignore the rantings of bahati (and now odinga) eventually this anti GLBT law will be pas[sed] and before you now it, they will start on a new one of NO HETEROSEXUAL SEX OUT OF MARRIAGE. ……”

    Sounds like what a professional gay sex propagandist will argue. I have heard our local militants argue likewise in Kampala. Not surprising a good number of the comments online are pro-gay after all gay sex activists are one of the highest users of internet in Africa. It is how they keep in touch with their Western patrons and network with each other to break the law. Anyways, the online “debate” is a mere academic exercise because at the end of the day the wider Kenyan society is not really debating this matter. Gayism is still illegal there with 98% support of the citizenry.

  45. Richard, so it (the gay issue) is, obviously. Just as it is used here in the States to divert attention away from what is obviously wrong and onto something of at best marginal importance to anyone who isn’t gay. It seems that evangelical America has become obsessed with gay sex. Just like Maazi.

  46. Richard, so it (the gay issue) is, obviously. Just as it is used here in the States to divert attention away from what is obviously wrong and onto something of at best marginal importance to anyone who isn’t gay. It seems that evangelical America has become obsessed with gay sex. Just like Maazi.

  47. Another comment from UG:-

    “The gay issue is often used as a political red herring. Kenya [and] Uganda are perfect examples…”

  48. Another comment from UG:-

    “The gay issue is often used as a political red herring. Kenya [and] Uganda are perfect examples…”

  49. I can supply many more … and NO – these people are NOT gay, Maazi!

  50. I can supply many more … and NO – these people are NOT gay, Maazi!

  51. And here’s a comment form one of those Ugandan intellectuals whom Maazi says don’t exist:-

    “The Talaba[n] started with simple rules like, women should not show their hair in public, and we all know where this ended. By continuing to think that we can ignore the rantings of bahati (and now odinga) eventually this anti GLBT law will be pas[sed] and before you now it, they will start on a new one of NO HETEROSEXUAL SEX OUT OF MARRIAGE. Should we wait till such a time when religious/cultural taboos are used to dictate the law process? Well guess what, it is a cultural norm and a sign of respect and maturity in some tribes for female genital mutilation, should politicians from these tribes gain power and decide all women go through this, will we wait till then? It sounds far fetched but think for a second, so was hanging, or even imprisoning homosexuals 10 years ago.”

  52. And here’s a comment form one of those Ugandan intellectuals whom Maazi says don’t exist:-

    “The Talaba[n] started with simple rules like, women should not show their hair in public, and we all know where this ended. By continuing to think that we can ignore the rantings of bahati (and now odinga) eventually this anti GLBT law will be pas[sed] and before you now it, they will start on a new one of NO HETEROSEXUAL SEX OUT OF MARRIAGE. Should we wait till such a time when religious/cultural taboos are used to dictate the law process? Well guess what, it is a cultural norm and a sign of respect and maturity in some tribes for female genital mutilation, should politicians from these tribes gain power and decide all women go through this, will we wait till then? It sounds far fetched but think for a second, so was hanging, or even imprisoning homosexuals 10 years ago.”

  53. Well, I guess Richard Willmer will have to telephone the Foreign and Commonwealth Office to complain about the insolence of a Prime Minister who cannot understand that Kenya is a defacto vassal state of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. 🙂

  54. Well, I guess Richard Willmer will have to telephone the Foreign and Commonwealth Office to complain about the insolence of a Prime Minister who cannot understand that Kenya is a defacto vassal state of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. 🙂

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