I knew there was a trial yesterday, but had not heard any news. According to this report, a Ugandan judge extended the ban on the Rolling Stone’s outing campaign.
A Ugandan high court judge on Tuesday extended a ban on the publication in the media of pictures identifying people as homosexuals, sparking the ire of a leading anti-gay pastor.
Judge Vincent Musoke-Kibuuka extended the ban at a Tuesday hearing in the case of homophobic tabloid Rolling Stone, which has no connection to the US magazine.
The judge had expected to hear arguments from Rolling Stone newspaper editors defending their right to out gay men and women in their new, sporadically published tabloid.
But Musoke-Kibuuke extended the ban, first issued on November 1, when Rolling Stone managing editor Giles Muhame insisted he was not ready to offer a defence, citing “a problem with my wife”.
Speaking on behalf of the National Coalition Against Homosexuality and Sexual Abuse in Uganda, Pastor Solomon Male accused the court of using the ban on outing to protect “selfish, heartless and aggressive criminal offenders.”
Shouting on the courthouse veranda, Male asked, “How can homosexuals who deliberately break the law claim right to privacy?”
Homosexuality is defined in Uganda’s penal code as “carnal knowledge against the order of nature”, and can bring a prison sentence of seven years to life.
Male was last year investigated for libel after accusing a prominent Evangelical pastor, who is minister to Uganda’s First Lady, of sexually abusing teenage boys.
Before ending Tuesday’s hearing, Musoke-Kibuuke scolded Muhame, a 22-year-old undergraduate student, for coming to court unprepared.
“You have given reasons which are not very satisfactory,” the judge said, prompting a mumbled apology from Muhame.
Muhame told AFP that when the case resumes on Friday, he will vehemently defend his right to publish photos he finds on gay dating websites, as he did in Rolling Stone’s November 1 issue.
“I can’t tell you what our defence will entail. But we will be ready. We are making very excellent notes,” he said.
Male was joined by Martin Ssempa in making those libelous accusations against Robert Kayanja, a famous pentecostal minister in Kampala.
UPDATE: According to Giles Muhame’s Facebook page, the problem which kept the Rolling Stone from mounting a case was with the lawyer for the Rolling Stone. Apparently his wife just gave birth.
Today Rolling Stone managers appeared in court to defend the right to publish homosexuals in the newspaper. But the case could hardly take off as the newspaper lawyer’s wife had just given birth. The judge accepted our excuse. We are preparing the finest of notes in defence…..Case adjourned to Friday.
Muhame had predicted demonstrations at the court house. I heard from witnesses that no demonstrations took place but that some of the GLB people were harassed and threatened.
Anyway – will ‘Naazi NCO’ tell us who he really is, I wonder? (After all, noone is threatening him.)
sweetza,
Isn’t that the point? To divert attention away from what your government doesn’t want talked about? That’s how gay hysteria is used here in the US.
Maazi
One more thing: you seem to like making making veiled threats and accusations.
Wouldn’t it be less cowardly on your part if you were to do so using your real name?
Sincerely, sitting in a parliament and discussing about gaysex is equal to a village meeting held in the forest by pygimies!!
Cant u find anything serious to discuss about?
Why should a whole parliament of a country like Uganda waste time on this?
Corruption is harming millions of us, social strife is still around, no democracy, poverty is everywhere…gay people are supposed to be left alone. If they harm themselves, u are not invited to feel pain on their behalf!
Sick homophobics like Sempa, Muhame, Male, and company have nothing to give them a name. If I were related to any of them, I’d disown them, what a shame!!!! grow up-big kids with empty heads!
Sweetza,
It seems you are quite racist against the ethnic Twa people. Anyways, never mind. Gayism is a crime in Uganda and while, I will never lend support to nonsensical tabloids like Red Pepper and Rolling Stone, I staunchly support the criminalization of deviant sexual behaviour. Most Ugandans do as well. Gay militancy will never succeed because our people are not prepared to accept such nonsense behaviour. The sooner you get it into your head the better. Perhaps, Richard Willmer can contact the UK Foreign Office to offer you and your friends free passage to their country.
Stephen
I agree … and this is a comment I keep hearing from Ugandans, too.
The Catholic Church in UG has considerably upset the current regime by talking about matters such as the Electoral Commission, the need for free and fair elections, the freedom of the press, and the need for a truly civilian government; it has said little about homosexuality (and described the Bahati Bill as ‘not necessary’ and ‘at odds with the core values of the Christian faith’).
The UG Minister of Information, Masiko, was so annoyed that, back in July, she called the Catholic bishops ‘lesbians’ – which raised a laugh!!! (I still laugh when I think about it.)
Well said, sweetza.
Apologies: ‘UNESCO / WHO’ should have been deleted in the previous post.
Okay, perhaps there may be some merit to Muhame’s allegations that “Homo Generals” are leading a “Gay Liberation Force”. Unless of course, Paul Canning is just spouting nonsensical propaganda to talk up militants whose activism is floundering inside Uganda.
Richard Willmer,
There are several Africans that will argue that no civilized human being can deem the criminalization of consenting polygamists as acceptable. When I lived in Europe, it was common to hear many people there describe Americans as barbarians for strongly supporting their government’s hard-line stance on the use of death penalty. Of course, Americans see things differently from the Europeans. My point is that culture is relative thing. Unlike many Western liberals, Africans do not regard gayism as civilized behaviour. In fact, most see it as a dehumanizing behaviour. World-wide, gayism has been deemed unacceptable by huge sections of humanity across 76 nations that criminalize it and in many of the 116 nations where it is a dejure legal activity, but is nevertheless overwhelmingly rejected by society . Excluding Western Europe, in many of these 116 nations where gayism is dejure legal activity, there are legal restrictions placed on gay lifestyle via constitutional bans on gay marriage and other restrictive anti-gay laws that focus on military service, child adoption rights, blood donation, etc.
Anyway – will ‘Naazi NCO’ tell us who he really is, I wonder? (After all, noone is threatening him.)
Stephen
I agree … and this is a comment I keep hearing from Ugandans, too.
The Catholic Church in UG has considerably upset the current regime by talking about matters such as the Electoral Commission, the need for free and fair elections, the freedom of the press, and the need for a truly civilian government; it has said little about homosexuality (and described the Bahati Bill as ‘not necessary’ and ‘at odds with the core values of the Christian faith’).
The UG Minister of Information, Masiko, was so annoyed that, back in July, she called the Catholic bishops ‘lesbians’ – which raised a laugh!!! (I still laugh when I think about it.)
sweetza,
Isn’t that the point? To divert attention away from what your government doesn’t want talked about? That’s how gay hysteria is used here in the US.
Maazi
One more thing: you seem to like making making veiled threats and accusations.
Wouldn’t it be less cowardly on your part if you were to do so using your real name?
Maazi
When are you going to show us evidence to back your ‘recruitment’ claims – those leaflets you kept talking about, remember?
Maazi
When are you going to show us evidence to back your ‘recruitment’ claims – those leaflets you kept talking about, remember?
Sweetza,
It seems you are quite racist against the ethnic Twa people. Anyways, never mind. Gayism is a crime in Uganda and while, I will never lend support to nonsensical tabloids like Red Pepper and Rolling Stone, I staunchly support the criminalization of deviant sexual behaviour. Most Ugandans do as well. Gay militancy will never succeed because our people are not prepared to accept such nonsense behaviour. The sooner you get it into your head the better. Perhaps, Richard Willmer can contact the UK Foreign Office to offer you and your friends free passage to their country.
Well said, sweetza.
Sincerely, sitting in a parliament and discussing about gaysex is equal to a village meeting held in the forest by pygimies!!
Cant u find anything serious to discuss about?
Why should a whole parliament of a country like Uganda waste time on this?
Corruption is harming millions of us, social strife is still around, no democracy, poverty is everywhere…gay people are supposed to be left alone. If they harm themselves, u are not invited to feel pain on their behalf!
Sick homophobics like Sempa, Muhame, Male, and company have nothing to give them a name. If I were related to any of them, I’d disown them, what a shame!!!! grow up-big kids with empty heads!
Maazi
That’s your view.
I doubt that a dispassionate observer would agree, for the following reasons:-
1. you make claims about something, then refuse to provide evidence to back those claims;
2. you are asked to give your views on something you appear to know a lot about, and you fob us off with ‘wait and see’;
3. you resort to silly, unfounded insults and accusations (e.g. that I am a hedonist and [by implication] that GUg ‘recruits’ children) – rather than deal with matters of substance.
You are not stupid, so why not put your case in a calm, well-argued way? We can then examine your claims in the lights of any FACTS that you present.
Richard Willmer,
How old are you—5 years? Quit behaving like a petulant child. All the questions posed in your post above have been adequately addressed on this thread and in other threads that I have commented on. Good bye.
Maazi
Since when has being in the UK been a crime?
Anyway, are you going to answer my points properly, rather than simply indulging in insults and silly rhetoric?
Here they are again:-
1. YOU are making accusations of ‘recruitment; YOU should produce evidence (if it exists) of this.
2. Why won’t you give your views on what a ‘revised’ Bahati Bill might look like?
3. Explain WHY existing laws on child sexual abuse are inadequate. Penal Code 129 looks pretty clear and comprehensive to me.
4. The statement was a statement, not a question, and we have already agreed that the eradication of homosexuality is not achievable, so no need to discuss it further. (I also take the view, of course, that using violence and unjust discrimination to attempt to eradicate homosexuality is wrong.)
Maazi
That’s your view.
I doubt that a dispassionate observer would agree, for the following reasons:-
1. you make claims about something, then refuse to provide evidence to back those claims;
2. you are asked to give your views on something you appear to know a lot about, and you fob us off with ‘wait and see’;
3. you resort to silly, unfounded insults and accusations (e.g. that I am a hedonist and [by implication] that GUg ‘recruits’ children) – rather than deal with matters of substance.
You are not stupid, so why not put your case in a calm, well-argued way? We can then examine your claims in the lights of any FACTS that you present.
Richard Willmer,
How old are you—5 years? Quit behaving like a petulant child. All the questions posed in your post above have been adequately addressed on this thread and in other threads that I have commented on. Good bye.
Maazi
Since when has being in the UK been a crime?
Anyway, are you going to answer my points properly, rather than simply indulging in insults and silly rhetoric?
Here they are again:-
1. YOU are making accusations of ‘recruitment; YOU should produce evidence (if it exists) of this.
2. Why won’t you give your views on what a ‘revised’ Bahati Bill might look like?
3. Explain WHY existing laws on child sexual abuse are inadequate. Penal Code 129 looks pretty clear and comprehensive to me.
4. The statement was a statement, not a question, and we have already agreed that the eradication of homosexuality is not achievable, so no need to discuss it further. (I also take the view, of course, that using violence and unjust discrimination to attempt to eradicate homosexuality is wrong.)
Is this why you accuse me of being in the UK? You know Uganda so well that by 4am you are damn sure that everybody has gone to bed. In the UK, is everybody asleep by 4am? Are there no reasons why a person can be awake at such hours? Are you really that unimaginative? BTW, it is now 5.25 am in Kampala. Good morning. My office shift will soon come to an end. See you later….
One more thing: I’m not a hedonist. You don’t know me. But, if you’re still in the UK (it is now 4.00 a.m. in UG, after all), maybe you could get to know me.
Actually, on point 4., I’d go further still, and say that trying to eradicate gays is, in and of itself, wrong (but I don’t expect us to agree on that, of course).
Maazi
1. Don’t be silly, dear. YOU are making accusations of ‘recruitment; YOU should produce evidence (if it exists) of this.
2. Why won’t you give your views on what a ‘revised’ Bahati Bill might look like?
3. Explain WHY existing laws on child sexual abuse are inadequate. Penal Code 129 looks pretty clear and comprehensive to me.
4. The statement was a statement, not a question, and we have already agreed that the eradication of homosexuality is not achievable, so no need to discuss it further. (I also take the view, of course, that using violence and unjust discrimination to attempt to eradicate homosexuality is wrong.)
Okay, I exclude Brazil, but my commentary stands for the remaining BRIC nations…
I am sure it is gratifying for you and your fellow hedonists in the West. Having said that, I doubt you will want to be caught doing gay parade, gay adoption or gay marriage in any of the BRIC nations. (BTW, legalized gayism in India is still a matter for its supreme court to make a final pronouncement on). In East Africa, the stance of the Ugandan people on this subject matter is unshakable— and with time, you will come to see it that way too.
Contact GayUganda for that information or any other militant gay sex practitioner in Uganda. I am sure they will be more than willing to help.
🙂 Why not wait and see for yourself when the Parliament of Uganda is ready? 🙂
Currently existing laws are inadequate and need to be strengthened.
I thought I have answered this question before !! Anyway, I will answer it again : Yes, gayism will always be a fact of life, just like rape, murder robbery and drug abuse. That is why robust legislation and law enforcement is required to contain all kinds of crimes including sexual ones too.
Maazi
BTW, my view is that, in key respects, BRIC countries have already ‘zoomed past’ the UK! It is gratifying that none of these countries now effectively criminalises consensual same-sex relationships (although, as you correctly point out, there are violent crimes committed against gay people in those places – as, indeed, they are from time to time in Britain). Culture is indeed relative – and fluid.
Now, back to my questions, which I did first ask some days ago …
Apologies: ‘UNESCO / WHO’ should have been deleted in the previous post.
Maazi
Sorry to press you, but I’m going to ask my questions again, as I am really interested to hear your views (and see your ‘evidence’ – assuming, of course, it exists).
Here are my questions again:-
1. Are you actually going to show us these UNESCO / WHO leaflets that you claim constitute so-called ‘recruitment’?
2. You claim repeatedly that a revised Bill will be passed. What will be its key features, do you think (you seem very well-informed)? Which of the current clauses (19 at present, I recall) are likely to be dropped? Which will be retained unaltered? Which will be changed?
(Obviously I understand, from our previous discussions, that we both agree on the following points:-
i. There are already laws protecting underage persons, both boys and girls, from sexual abuse;
ii. Homosexuality is, and will remain, a ‘fact of life’ in Uganda;
iii. The recent rise in HIV transmissions in UG is primarily due to marital unfaithfulness.)
My previous post should have read:
Your nation will still be watching out for ephemeral matters when Brazil, China, India and Russia zoom past it. Continue watching!! What have your government’s watching of China achieved?
Your nation will still be watching out for ephemeral matters when Brazil, China, India and Russia zoom past them. Continue watching!! What have your government’s watching of China achieved?
Okay, perhaps there may be some merit to Muhame’s allegations that “Homo Generals” are leading a “Gay Liberation Force”. Unless of course, Paul Canning is just spouting nonsensical propaganda to talk up militants whose activism is floundering inside Uganda.
Richard Willmer,
There are several Africans that will argue that no civilized human being can deem the criminalization of consenting polygamists as acceptable. When I lived in Europe, it was common to hear many people there describe Americans as barbarians for strongly supporting their government’s hard-line stance on the use of death penalty. Of course, Americans see things differently from the Europeans. My point is that culture is relative thing. Unlike many Western liberals, Africans do not regard gayism as civilized behaviour. In fact, most see it as a dehumanizing behaviour. World-wide, gayism has been deemed unacceptable by huge sections of humanity across 76 nations that criminalize it and in many of the 116 nations where it is a dejure legal activity, but is nevertheless overwhelmingly rejected by society . Excluding Western Europe, in many of these 116 nations where gayism is dejure legal activity, there are legal restrictions placed on gay lifestyle via constitutional bans on gay marriage and other restrictive anti-gay laws that focus on military service, child adoption rights, blood donation, etc.
Maazi
Sorry to press you, but I’m going to ask my questions again, as I am really interested to hear your views (and see your ‘evidence’ – assuming, of course, it exists).
Here are my questions again:-
1. Are you actually going to show us these mysterious ‘leaflets’ that you claim constitute so-called ‘recruitment’?
2. You claim repeatedly that a revised Bill will be passed. What will be its key features, do you think (you seem very well-informed)? Which of the current clauses (19 at present, I recall) are likely to be dropped? Which will be retained unaltered? Which will be changed?
(Obviously I understand, from our previous discussions, that we both agree on the following points:-
i. There are already laws protecting underage persons, both boys and girls, from sexual abuse;
ii. Homosexuality is, and will remain, a ‘fact of life’ in Uganda;
iii. The recent rise in HIV transmissions in UG is primarily due to marital unfaithfulness.)
Maazi
A joke? Not at all. Countries watch each other all the time, because they like to keep ‘on step ahead’ of potential trouble.
Now I notice you have not yet answered my questions, so I’ll repost them in a moment in the hope …
Man, are you for real? I think you got your dates wrong. This is year 2010 not 1950. Uganda is not part of the British Empire. Ugandans are not subjects of her majesty, Queen Elizabeth II. You are sending word to the UK Foreign Ministry? What a joke
Is this why you accuse me of being in the UK? You know Uganda so well that by 4am you are damn sure that everybody has gone to bed. In the UK, is everybody asleep by 4am? Are there no reasons why a person can be awake at such hours? Are you really that unimaginative? BTW, it is now 5.25 am in Kampala. Good morning. My office shift will soon come to an end. See you later….
One more thing: I’m not a hedonist. You don’t know me. But, if you’re still in the UK (it is now 4.00 a.m. in UG, after all), maybe you could get to know me.
Actually, on point 4., I’d go further still, and say that trying to eradicate gays is, in and of itself, wrong (but I don’t expect us to agree on that, of course).
Maazi
1. Don’t be silly, dear. YOU are making accusations of ‘recruitment; YOU should produce evidence (if it exists) of this.
2. Why won’t you give your views on what a ‘revised’ Bahati Bill might look like?
3. Explain WHY existing laws on child sexual abuse are inadequate. Penal Code 129 looks pretty clear and comprehensive to me.
4. The statement was a statement, not a question, and we have already agreed that the eradication of homosexuality is not achievable, so no need to discuss it further. (I also take the view, of course, that using violence and unjust discrimination to attempt to eradicate homosexuality is wrong.)
Okay, I exclude Brazil, but my commentary stands for the remaining BRIC nations…
I am sure it is gratifying for you and your fellow hedonists in the West. Having said that, I doubt you will want to be caught doing gay parade, gay adoption or gay marriage in any of the BRIC nations. (BTW, legalized gayism in India is still a matter for its supreme court to make a final pronouncement on). In East Africa, the stance of the Ugandan people on this subject matter is unshakable— and with time, you will come to see it that way too.
Contact GayUganda for that information or any other militant gay sex practitioner in Uganda. I am sure they will be more than willing to help.
🙂 Why not wait and see for yourself when the Parliament of Uganda is ready? 🙂
Currently existing laws are inadequate and need to be strengthened.
I thought I have answered this question before !! Anyway, I will answer it again : Yes, gayism will always be a fact of life, just like rape, murder robbery and drug abuse. That is why robust legislation and law enforcement is required to contain all kinds of crimes including sexual ones too.
Maazi
BTW, my view is that, in key respects, BRIC countries have already ‘zoomed past’ the UK! It is gratifying that none of these countries now effectively criminalises consensual same-sex relationships (although, as you correctly point out, there are violent crimes committed against gay people in those places – as, indeed, they are from time to time in Britain). Culture is indeed relative – and fluid.
Now, back to my questions, which I did first ask some days ago …
Maazi
Sorry to press you, but I’m going to ask my questions again, as I am really interested to hear your views (and see your ‘evidence’ – assuming, of course, it exists).
Here are my questions again:-
1. Are you actually going to show us these UNESCO / WHO leaflets that you claim constitute so-called ‘recruitment’?
2. You claim repeatedly that a revised Bill will be passed. What will be its key features, do you think (you seem very well-informed)? Which of the current clauses (19 at present, I recall) are likely to be dropped? Which will be retained unaltered? Which will be changed?
(Obviously I understand, from our previous discussions, that we both agree on the following points:-
i. There are already laws protecting underage persons, both boys and girls, from sexual abuse;
ii. Homosexuality is, and will remain, a ‘fact of life’ in Uganda;
iii. The recent rise in HIV transmissions in UG is primarily due to marital unfaithfulness.)
My previous post should have read:
Your nation will still be watching out for ephemeral matters when Brazil, China, India and Russia zoom past it. Continue watching!! What have your government’s watching of China achieved?
Your nation will still be watching out for ephemeral matters when Brazil, China, India and Russia zoom past them. Continue watching!! What have your government’s watching of China achieved?
Maazi
Sorry to press you, but I’m going to ask my questions again, as I am really interested to hear your views (and see your ‘evidence’ – assuming, of course, it exists).
Here are my questions again:-
1. Are you actually going to show us these mysterious ‘leaflets’ that you claim constitute so-called ‘recruitment’?
2. You claim repeatedly that a revised Bill will be passed. What will be its key features, do you think (you seem very well-informed)? Which of the current clauses (19 at present, I recall) are likely to be dropped? Which will be retained unaltered? Which will be changed?
(Obviously I understand, from our previous discussions, that we both agree on the following points:-
i. There are already laws protecting underage persons, both boys and girls, from sexual abuse;
ii. Homosexuality is, and will remain, a ‘fact of life’ in Uganda;
iii. The recent rise in HIV transmissions in UG is primarily due to marital unfaithfulness.)
Maazi
A joke? Not at all. Countries watch each other all the time, because they like to keep ‘on step ahead’ of potential trouble.
Now I notice you have not yet answered my questions, so I’ll repost them in a moment in the hope …
Man, are you for real? I think you got your dates wrong. This is year 2010 not 1950. Uganda is not part of the British Empire. Ugandans are not subjects of her majesty, Queen Elizabeth II. You are sending word to the UK Foreign Ministry? What a joke
Dr. Warren thank you.
Jame
My information is that Muhame DOES attend Ssempa’s ‘church’, at least from time to time.
What is quite clear is that Muhame has made totally unsubstantiated claims that gay Ugandans are trying to ‘recruit children’ and are responsible for abusing them. He used those (false) claims to attempt to incite others to hatred and violence. (Fortunately, many Ugandans I speak to think that the Rolling Stone is just a silly sick joke – especially after the last edition – but the INTENTION to incite is clearly still there: an intention that would constitute a serious criminal offence is many countries.)
As for Kayanja: my understanding is that at least one of those accusing him lied about other aspects of his life. Everybody knows that there are sharp rivalries between these ‘pastors’, and Male’s and Ssempa’s accusations could be seen as a result of these.
The wider issue is that gay Ugandans who have never either raped anyone or abused children are being subject to unjust and sometimes violent treatment. No civilised human being can regard this as acceptable. It is totally UNacceptable, and it is the duty of all right-thinking people to oppose such treatment by all possible peaceful means.
James – Thanks for the info. The suggestion that Kayanja was the First Lady’s minister was not my reporting but the reporting of the news source I linked to. I appreciate your perspective on that issue.
RE: Muhame and MCC, three sources have told me that he and other RS people attend MCC. He did not deny it when I asked him. I will again ask him to confirm or deny what you are saying.
RE: the case of accusation, I have talked to some who are close to the case. Your information sounds very much like the story of Male and Ssempa and may be true, but may not. If anyone wants to add facts to the situation, I am always willing to correct the record.
Dr. Warren,
I want to correct a few things in your submission.
1. Robert Kayanja has never been a minister to Uganda’s First Lady. Janet Museveni prays from Covenant Church pastored by her very own daughter and son in law Patience and Odrek Rwabogo. Prior to relocating to that church she was a member of All Saints Cathedral which the president himself belongs to. Kayanja became a regular visitor to the State House when American Tele-evangelists began frequenting Kampala and during the 1996 presidential elections.
2. I have also established through my sources that Muhame is not a member of Makerere Community Church. As a matter of fact he is not a born again Christian and has never been. This guy is a parishoner in one of the traditional churches around an upscale urban area called Bukoto in kampala.
3. The police actually failed to pin Male and Ssempa in this case against Pastor Kayanja. They were never taken to court and have never been surmoned any where except in the first weeks when these allegations sprung up. Actually the president was drawn into this case where he criticised his very own policemen for mishandling this case. Infact the Presidential Press Secretary said the CID chief had acted in bad faith by appointing himself an investigator, and a chief justice at the sametime.
Dr. Warren, It would be very kind of you if you always pointed such issues objectively. I find it that you are always biased and biased. You never give credit where it’s due. The sodomy issues surrounding pastors in Uganda have been there for long and it’s no shock that such allegations came up against Pastor kayanja. I personally do not know whether he did it but the boys who came up said so.
Finally I would love to know whether Ssempa or Bahati where present during the court hearing. None has reported on them.
Dr. Warren thank you.
Jame
My information is that Muhame DOES attend Ssempa’s ‘church’, at least from time to time.
What is quite clear is that Muhame has made totally unsubstantiated claims that gay Ugandans are trying to ‘recruit children’ and are responsible for abusing them. He used those (false) claims to attempt to incite others to hatred and violence. (Fortunately, many Ugandans I speak to think that the Rolling Stone is just a silly sick joke – especially after the last edition – but the INTENTION to incite is clearly still there: an intention that would constitute a serious criminal offence is many countries.)
As for Kayanja: my understanding is that at least one of those accusing him lied about other aspects of his life. Everybody knows that there are sharp rivalries between these ‘pastors’, and Male’s and Ssempa’s accusations could be seen as a result of these.
The wider issue is that gay Ugandans who have never either raped anyone or abused children are being subject to unjust and sometimes violent treatment. No civilised human being can regard this as acceptable. It is totally UNacceptable, and it is the duty of all right-thinking people to oppose such treatment by all possible peaceful means.
James – Thanks for the info. The suggestion that Kayanja was the First Lady’s minister was not my reporting but the reporting of the news source I linked to. I appreciate your perspective on that issue.
RE: Muhame and MCC, three sources have told me that he and other RS people attend MCC. He did not deny it when I asked him. I will again ask him to confirm or deny what you are saying.
RE: the case of accusation, I have talked to some who are close to the case. Your information sounds very much like the story of Male and Ssempa and may be true, but may not. If anyone wants to add facts to the situation, I am always willing to correct the record.
Dr. Warren,
I want to correct a few things in your submission.
1. Robert Kayanja has never been a minister to Uganda’s First Lady. Janet Museveni prays from Covenant Church pastored by her very own daughter and son in law Patience and Odrek Rwabogo. Prior to relocating to that church she was a member of All Saints Cathedral which the president himself belongs to. Kayanja became a regular visitor to the State House when American Tele-evangelists began frequenting Kampala and during the 1996 presidential elections.
2. I have also established through my sources that Muhame is not a member of Makerere Community Church. As a matter of fact he is not a born again Christian and has never been. This guy is a parishoner in one of the traditional churches around an upscale urban area called Bukoto in kampala.
3. The police actually failed to pin Male and Ssempa in this case against Pastor Kayanja. They were never taken to court and have never been surmoned any where except in the first weeks when these allegations sprung up. Actually the president was drawn into this case where he criticised his very own policemen for mishandling this case. Infact the Presidential Press Secretary said the CID chief had acted in bad faith by appointing himself an investigator, and a chief justice at the sametime.
Dr. Warren, It would be very kind of you if you always pointed such issues objectively. I find it that you are always biased and biased. You never give credit where it’s due. The sodomy issues surrounding pastors in Uganda have been there for long and it’s no shock that such allegations came up against Pastor kayanja. I personally do not know whether he did it but the boys who came up said so.
Finally I would love to know whether Ssempa or Bahati where present during the court hearing. None has reported on them.
On a more serious note: I have sent word of ‘possible trouble’ on Friday to a contact of mine at the UK Foreign Ministry.
Time for a little joke:-
Q. What’s the difference between ‘pastor’ Solomon Male and God?
A. God does not think he is Solomon Male.
Jacqueline Kasha posted this to Facebook ‘Court was adjourned to 26th coz the accused didnt have legal representation.But urgly scenes aoutside court I was practically man handled by antigay Pastor Male and we were harrased plus our allies.It was really traumazing…Friday might be worse.’
And this ‘until my last breathe I will not leave any stone unturned……if i dont live to see Liberation am just glad to be part of the foundation’
On a more serious note: I have sent word of ‘possible trouble’ on Friday to a contact of mine at the UK Foreign Ministry.
Time for a little joke:-
Q. What’s the difference between ‘pastor’ Solomon Male and God?
A. God does not think he is Solomon Male.
Jacqueline Kasha posted this to Facebook ‘Court was adjourned to 26th coz the accused didnt have legal representation.But urgly scenes aoutside court I was practically man handled by antigay Pastor Male and we were harrased plus our allies.It was really traumazing…Friday might be worse.’
And this ‘until my last breathe I will not leave any stone unturned……if i dont live to see Liberation am just glad to be part of the foundation’