Only the gay die young? Part 9 – The Camerons disturbing views

I thought I was done talking about the Camerons. I was wrong. Jim Burroway at Box Turtle Bulletin has a post of interest both at his blog and at Exgaywatch about an article in the Family Research Institute’s (the Camerons’ non-profit) newsletter from 1999. Although old, it is a very disturbing article and due to Paul Cameron’s recent letter to me, relevant to the recent series of posts on the Camerons research.

The Cameron article from the March 1999 issue of his newsletter is titled “Gays in Nazi Germany” and leads off with this question:

How did the Nazis deal with homosexuals? This question is partially answered by Rudolf Hoss — who was in charge of some of these decisions — in a recently translated German book…so the real issue for Hoss and his Nazi collaborators was how to “control” those addicted to homosexuality. Since the Nazi regime could get away with just about anything it wanted shy of execution to suppress homosexual activity, its experience provides some insight about the “containability” of homosexuality, at least under a dictatorship.

For those who do not know who Rudulph Hoss was, you can see this Wikipedia entry. You will need a strong stomach to read even the brief excerpt of his approach to killing millions as the Commandant at Auschwitz. As incredible as it may seem, Cameron actually appears to be deriving lessons about the causes and “cures” of homosexuality from the memoirs of Rudolph Hoss. In fact, he says:

These experiences put the lie to the whole “born that way” claim or the notion that one’s sexuality is fixed after puberty. Clearly, homosexuals could and did “convert” at least some of those with whom they were housed and at a sufficient level for Hoss to consider it an “epidemic.”

I suppose I could be “cured” of a lot of things if I thought “my problem” would get me tortured or killed. Cameron quoted Hoss about the Nazi vision of “rehabilitation.”

On the subject of “curing” homosexuals, Hoss relates that some “were put to work in the clay pit of the… brick factory, separated from the other prisoners. This was hard work and everyone had to produce a certain quota… regardless of the weather… [this had] visible results with… the male prostitutes who wanted to earn their living in an easy way and absolutely avoid even the lightest work…. The strict camp life and the hard work quickly reeducated this type. Most of them worked very hard and took great care not to get into trouble so that they could be released as soon as possible. They also avoided associating with those afflicted with this depravity and wanted to make it known that they had nothing to do with homosexuals. In this way countless rehabilitated young men could be released without having a relapse…. Some men were homosexual because they became weary of women through overindulgence or because they looked for new highs in their parasitic life. These men could also be reeducated and turned away from their vice. But those who… had become addicted to their vice could not be reeducated…. they were slaves to their vice…. Since they would not or could not give up their vice, they knew that they would never be free again. This most effective mental pressure accelerated the physical decay in these sensitive characters.” (my emphasis)

As I read this article, I kept thinking there has got to be some disclaimer here, some expression of regret for the treatment these poor souls, but I did not find any. Note Hoss’ use of the term “parasitic life” to describe homosexuality. Cameron reprised this term in his response to my criticisms of his recent report when he said:

A larger question goes begging in this discussion. Our methods and credentials are being impugned primarily because we have come to believe — on the basis of empirical research — that homosexual practice is injurious to society. Further, that we as a culture will pay a stiff penalty for elevating homosexual expression to the status of a powerful ‘right.’ So I ask the following question: Is it fair to give those who live parasitic lives ‘Super Rights?’(my emphasis)

When I first read “parasitic lives,” I thought what an oddly disparaging term to describe ideological opponents. Is his recent use of the term a coincidence, or did he learn something from Commandant Hoss? The article concludes with this warning.

We can certainly feel sorry for those who are so trapped by their vice that they cannot get free. On the other hand, if society were forced to accommodate the behavior of hardcore homosexuals, how many other lives would be damaged, perhaps irreparably? True compassion dictates that we not only attempt to keep those who are bent on self-destruction from reaching their demise, but more importantly, that we protect others who might get caught in the same wake of misfortune.

So what are we to learn, Dr. Cameron? We do not live in a dictatorship but are we to learn that homosexuals are “containable?” Jim Burroway’s post draws out past statements of Cameron that are shockingly in sync with this 1999 article. This article by Ward Harkavy is also good for more background. Suffice to say that Dr. Cameron is not simply ideologically opposed to homosexuality, he is fixated on “solutions” that I find abhorrent. I call on fellow social conservatives who still refer to the Camerons’ work to take a hard look at these posts and reflect on whether someone with such extreme animosity could possibly approach social science data with sufficient objectivity to be trusted.

10 thoughts on “Only the gay die young? Part 9 – The Camerons disturbing views”

  1. Oh Come on and lighten up.

    My comment about Ernst Roehm being my favorite Nazi was funny and worthy of being posted!

  2. This, today, from Alan Chamber’s personal blog http://www.alanchambers.org/ He is to be commended for taking this stand:

    “So, when it comes to the evils of homophobia, bullying, name calling, hatred and violence where those affected by homosexuality are concerned, I stand with all decent human beings who are fighting and praying for an end to the ignorance and ungodliness that cause them.”

    It’s not QUITE a direct denunciation of Cameron’s “ungodly” advocacy of castration, tatooing and extermination of gays. See http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hatespeech/cameron.html , (or of NARTH for coninuing to support Cameron’s views) but it is a very positive step! Sincere THANKS, Alan.

  3. The more I think about it, EXODUS needs to do more than simply reject Cameron’s “studies”, They need to denounce HIM — and the hateful things he stands for. They also need to denounce NARTH for not denouncing Cameron — just as they did when they pulled out of PFOX over the Cohen disaster. If EXODUS does not stand for something, I fear they will continue to fall for anything.

  4. Some will say, but didn’t EXODUS disavow Cameron? Didn’t they dump Cohen? Shouldn’t we trust them now? NO.

    Perhaps not trust. Or at least not entirely. But they do deserve credit for disavowing them.

  5. That bears repeating: They need to “heed Dr. Throckmorton’s call to credibility and clean up their act.” That’s going to take considerable time and effort — consistent effort.

    In the meantime, it strikes me as just plain silly for EXODUS, NARTH and the like to complain that the media, the APA and or other organizations won’t give them proper respect. What have they done to EARN it? In light of alliances with Cameron, Cohen, Schoenewolf, Nicolosi, Berger and the like, people should completely avoid “reparative therapists” who are now or who have been alligned with NARTH or EXODUS.

    Some will say, but didn’t EXODUS disavow Cameron? Didn’t they dump Cohen? Shouldn’t we trust them now? NO. EXODUS is still alligned with NARTH and NARTH has not disavowed Cameron. Let’s see a track-record of several years of sound judgement — and not just knee-jerk reactions to one public relations disaster after another.

  6. I call on fellow social conservatives who still refer to the Camerons’ work to take a hard look at these posts and reflect on whether someone with such extreme animosity could possibly approach social science data with sufficient objectivity to be trusted.

    It can be understood why some social conservatives have in the past listened to the Camerons, found their views about homosexuality to be in allignment with their own, and believed their claims of emperical evidence and study. However, as closer inspection of the Camerons has shown the Camerons to be less than strictly honest, lacking in objectivity, faulty in their research methods, and now possibly sharing the idealogical views of one of the greatest monsters in recent history, there is no longer any excuse for relying on or propogating the “work” of the Camerons.

    Responsible social conservatives will do what Bill Bennett and Exodus (after far too long) did and disavow Paul and Kirk Cameron and their claims. They will heed Dr. Throckmorton’s call to credibility and clean up their act.

    Some, of course, won’t care. They will consider the anti-gay nature of the Camerons’ reports to be adequate justification for their dissemination.

    But then we will then know who has absolutely no credibility whatsoever.

  7. Warren, that’s my point. If “many organizations are not equipped to interpret data and research” then they should refrain from doing so. And I don’t think that ten years is excessive. It would give them ample time to go to college, learn to interpret data and research and get a degree before they start spouting someone else’s hateful nonsense — just because it happens to coincide with their personal or religious prejudice.

    EXODUS AND NARTH continually whine that that can’t get respect. How can NARTH, EXODUS and the like ever hope to get public and professional recognition if they are not willing to do the work?

  8. I would not go that far. Many organizations are not equipped to interpret data and research and ten years is excessive. However, I do urge all such organizations to comb their websites and materials and make the appropriate adjustments.

    The Camerons may actually find something accurate at some point but I would never trust it until confirmed by an independent team.

  9. Throckmorton: “I suppose I could be “cured” of a lot of things if I thought “my problem” would get me tortured or killed.”

    It still can.

    Throckmorton: “As incredible as it may seem, Cameron actually appears to be deriving lessons about the causes and “cures” of homosexuality from the memoirs of Rudolph Hoss.”

    Which is precisely why we should trust NO organization, “scientist” or therapist who is now (or has ever been) associated with Cameron or has cited Cameron’s work in support of their “therapy” or “ministry” — UNLESS THIS ORIGANIZATION HAS CLEARLY DENOUCNED CAMERON AND HAS BEEN “CAMERON-FREE” FOR AT LEAST TEN YEARS — of course, this excludes almost the entire ex-gay/reparative therapy movement.

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