98 thoughts on “Pennsylvania Puts Joe Biden and Kamala Harris Over the Top”

  2. Well, it looks like Biden-Harris will prevail in GA (their lead is inching up), but maybe not in AZ (where their lead is apparently being eroded by – irony of ironies – absentee ballots). I also noticed that, in the national popular vote, the lead for Biden-Harris has now passed 5 million (according to both FOX/AP and ABC/CNN/NBC – there seems to be two set of figures out there, with FOX/AP showing a slightly more favourable situation for Biden). I’m sure this result will stick …

  4. Once the dust settles, it will be fun to hear how these religious “leaders” spin the fact that Trump didn’t win.

    1. I expect they will blame it on some combination of fraud and the liberal elites who are coming to take away their guns and Bibles and force them to sell cakes to people they don’t approve of.
      And of course they will need more donations to fend off the persecution.

      1. But “God chooses the president”, It’s god’s will. so god must have willed Biden to be president.

          4. YES.
            And if God wasn’t being helped by Great Spiritual Warriors (guess who?) Satan would roll right over Him. (Isn’t God So Lucky To Have Them?)

            When the Spanish Inquisition rolled on a Witchcraft charge (very rare occurrence; Inquisitors were on a fixed salary, not a cut of the take), the charge they actually brought was a Heresy of “Attributing too much power to the devil”.

            These guys have made the devil MORE powerful than God. No wonder they’re so loud and shrill. Deep down inside, are they afraid they picked the LOSING side?

          5. Guess they forget this truism: “A diabolo, qui est simia dei”

            They commit the classic fallacy of attributing too much power to Satan which is the opposite polarity of those who insist Satan isn’t real or nothing of any concern.

        2. I’ve already seen one Trump supporter claiming that it was God’s will for Biden to win as punishment for Christians not being faithful (i.e. conservative) enough. I think that’s going to be a fairly common sentiment in the weeks to come.

          1. This is like claiming the Taliban got defeated because they WEREN’T Islamic enough.
            (And Boko Haram and ISIS/ISIL/Daesh acted on that claim.)

      1. I liked this, it is funny. I particularly liked when the “Dr.” was claiming the votes were fake and the graphic says: “like the fire behind you”

      2. Thanks for the nausea alert so I could steel myself. Only two questions to ask the army of prophets God is raising: How many false prophecies make a false prophet? What is the biblical punishment (you know, the God-mandated one) for false prophets?

        1. to be fair I should give one warning about the video, they have this clip (repeated) of Paula White making this really weird sound, that was kinda like nails on a chalkboard for me. So you might want to mute whenever you see her pop-up.

          1. “…nails on a chalkboard…”is what I hear when any of these bloviating buffoons does one of their magic 8 ball fortune-telling.

            p.s. 1/2 the readers don’t know what is meant by ” nails on a chalkboard/”

  5. Zak Hudak at CBS News gives some interesting insight to another reason Trump is continuing the legal challenges (~3:38 in the video):

    The campaign is raising tons of money for legal defense, but I would note if you look at those emails they are sending out raising it you read the fine print 60% of those donations are actually going to paying off campaign debt

  6. Zak Hudak at CBS News gives some interesting insight to another reason Trump is continuing the legal challenges (~3:38 in the video):

    The campaign is raising tons of money for legal defense, but I would note if you look at those emails they are sending out raising it you read the fine print 60% of those donations are actually going to paying off campaign debt

    1. tRump is playing his minions for the chumps they are.

      Reuters reports donations under $8,000 to Trump’s election defense fund are siphoned off

      The fine print makes clear most of the money will go to other priorities.
      If a Trump donor gave $500, for instance, $300 would go to Trump’s Save America PAC, $200 would to the RNC – and nothing would go to his election defense fund.
      A donor would have to give more than $8,000 before any money goes to the “recount account” established to finance election challenges.

      https://www.forexlive.com/news/!/reuters-reports-donations-under-8000-to-trumps-election-defense-fund-are-siphoned-off-20201111

  7. The best thing is this: once Covid Donnie is gone away – I won’t have to see his orange smug mug daily, or hear about the latest outrage committed by his spoiled majesty. Plus: he might even have to pay his bills (what is it, around 400 Million Dollars?).

      1. Yeah I found a video of it. I LOVED the fact that Giuliani had to stop talking because of the street noise.

        1. Let us not forget that the Four Seasons Landscaping Company was nestled between a crematorium and a sex shop….Captures the Trump era perfectly.

          4. The World’s Richest Televangelists laughs like a Jack Chick Tract!
            “HAW! HAW! HAW! HAW! HAW! HAW! HAW! HAW! HAW!:

  9. Funny thing is Fox beat CNN to the projected Biden win 1st. Wonder when Trump will start calling Fox “Fake News” 🙂

    1. Yes, and they also, along with the AP, called AZ early (which might prove to have been a mistake, although Biden’s lead there has not lessened further in the last 24 hours). Rupert Murdoch is no fool: if Trump becomes too much of a liability, RM will move on (don’t forget that he supported the centre-left in the UK election in 1997). There is nothing more ‘deep state’ than those who cry “deep state!”

    2. Signs of a rift between Trump and his beloved network, I’m seeing this line in the foxnew articles:

      “The White House did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment.”

      There was a time when Trump couldn’t wait to be on FoxNews. Sounds like trouble in paradise. next thing you’ll know we’ll be hearing about how Trump is cheating on Fox with Breitbart

      1. With Newsmax. Their ratings have been going up because they will not “call the election” (they have no decision desk and no ability to call an election based on data) and refuse to call Biden “president-elect”.

        This operation was started by the guy who gave us “Vince Foster was murdered!”, a reminder, if any were needed, that facts are irrelevant to the Right.

        1. My understanding is that Newsmax doesn’t have the ability to report about anything based on data (or facts).

        2. For what it’s worth, Newsmax bought a LOT of ads on the drive-time talk shows I listen to on local radio. And on Coast to Coast AM, but there it’s just another Late Night Weirdness fix.

          Their ads keep emphasizing the TRVTH The Media DOESN’T Want You to Know.

  11. Our long national nightmare. . .isn’t over by a long shot, but a couple of months from now, we can start actively looking for a solution to our problems. That’s nothing but good.

      1. It’s like waiting for animal control to show up and get that rattlesnake you trapped in the garage.

        1. It’s like you’ve taken some smelly garbage out to the can in your garage, but you still have to suffer the smell because the trash pickup isn’t for several more days.
          It’s like arranging for the dentist to get that painful tooth taken care of, but your appointment isn’t until January.

        2. Except that rattlesnake doesn’t have a nuclear football and millions of fanatics who’ll kill and die for him.

          1. Do you really think he’s going to start World War III? Do you really think such an order would be obeyed?

            He needs an audience for his whining.

          2. Possibly one of the most important political events of 2020 was the 2nd June Memorandum of the CJCS to those commanding service personnel …

            I think you are right to suggest that the military top brass would find a way of ‘avoiding’ a situation wherein they had to act on a dangerous order from the current occupant of the golf course … I mean the White House.

          3. I think the majority of the military top brass have been terrified of Trump since he got in. Terrified of what he might try, I mean. I’m sure they’ve talked about worst case scenarios, and how to respond to insane orders.

          5. We have a three-year-old who’s been having a raging temper tantrum in a room full of loaded weapons (including nuclear). You do the math.
            “IF I CAN’T HAVE MY WAY, THEN NOBODY CAN!!!!! I’LL SHOW YOU!!!!! I’LL SHOW YOU!!!!!”

          6. He’s had years to show a propensity for military madness. He hasn’t done anything. In fact, nothing in his history points to such a move.

          7. Also, to launch a nuclear attack, it requires a coordinated effort by several people in the military chain of command (any of whom could stop it), there is no big red button he can push and the missiles start firing.

          8. And he’s firing and replacing the chain of command with his Loyalists.

            In both Military and Internal Security.
            If this was taking place in some Third World country after an election, what would this pattern indicate?

          9. He can fire all the civilians he wants, but he can’t just fire military personnel. the best he could do is order re-assignments, and even in those cases the top brass can “slow-play” those re-assignments.

            these ridiculous claims of “he’s going to start a nuclear war”, “he’s planning a coup” are just as bad as Trump’s claims of a rigged election.

            If you want to look like a reasonable person, you’ll stop with the irrational fear-mongering.

          10. I don’t believe he could easily commit nuclear weapons use, but I would be lying if I said I wasn’t concerned about what he is up to. His loyalists are very loyal.

          11. My guess he is firing people to show he will take revenge on them AND try to assert he is still going to be pres. on Jan 21. I.e. he is fronting to his base.

            I don’t believe Trump is intelligent enough to be any more nefarious than that.

          13. I discovered this guy’s channel last week.
            Bearded redneck podcasting from his garage WHO ACTUALLY TALKS A LOT OF SENSE.

      2. Yes, for example the government is only funded through Dec. 11. I can easily imagine Trump causing another shutdown out of spite (maybe in his mind preparations for Biden’s inauguration will be “nonessential”, and/or he wants to punish the federal workers he sees as the “Deep State”).

        Not to mention how many more will die of Covid in the next few months as we continue to lack competent national political leadership. I wonder if Biden will try to start speaking Presidentially on Covid if Trump just punts on his job for the next 2 months. Unfortunately 45% of the country probably won’t listen no matter what.

        1. Yes, for example the government is only funded through Dec. 11. I can easily imagine Trump causing another shutdown out of spite (maybe in his mind preparations for Biden’s inauguration will be “nonessential”, and/or he wants to punish the federal workers he sees as the “Deep State”).

          And the Christians will chorus “AAAAAAAAA-MENNNNNN!!! HE IS LOOOOOOOORD!!!!!”

          “NOS NON HABEMUS REGEM NISI CAESAREM!
          CAESAR! AETURNUS! CAESAR! INVICTUS!
          CAESAR! AETURNUS! CAESAR! INVICTUS!
          CAESAR! AETURNUS! CAESAR! INVICTUS!”
          CAESAR! AETURNUS! CAESAR! INVICTUS!”

        2. I remember one Federal shutdown years ago, and the cries for a military coup to solve it.
          The loudest throats calling for a military takeover were coming from pulpits.

          (Dovetailing real well with a Focus on the Family brag from 20-30 years ago that the majority of American soldiers were now “Born-Again Chrisitans” and “The rot of Vietnam has finally been excised”.)

          1. Unfortunately for FoF and company, “born-again christian” does not mean fanatical fundamentalist willing to do whatever their minister tells them to do.

          2. Thing is, when the preachers started calling from the pulpits for a military coup, the first thing that came to my mind was the Focus on the Family brag. Like the REVERENDs expected the Born-Again military to take over, then hand the Absolute Authority over to the REVERENDs. Christian Nation Without End, Amen.

      3. Yes indeed, he can. I’m hoping somebody in Congress that he respects–if there is anybody–will make like Barry Goldwater to Richard Nixon, and convince him it’s time to go. If Pence were president, after all, he could pardon Trump for Federal crimes. That might get him out of office. I don’t think Pence would be anything like as vindictive as Trump.

        1. The Republicans are too scared of their base’s love for Trump to tell him it’s time to go. Profiles of courage as they are, they clearly prefer waiting for the constitutional process to show him the door, regardless of how much damage he does to American democracy on the way out.

          1. I think it has less to do with being scared of the base, and more with the GA run-off election. The republicans don’t want to risk Trump getting pissed at them and destroying the chances of them winning the run-offs.

      4. True – although, in one way, the worse he behaves at this point, the more ‘Shy Trumpers’ might welcome his departure when it happens (and happen it will).

        Incidentally, the much-maligned polls got the level of support (50% – 51%) for Biden across the United States about right; it was (once again) the underestimating of support for Trump that was amiss. Trump’s core support is probably around 43% (which is still a lot!), but ‘shaving off’ 4% could be a useful result of shenanigans from the current occupant of the White House …

        The GOP doesn’t seem too sure of itself right now. They are a ruthless operation, and, if they start to think that Trump could become a liability, they will find ways to sideline him … Allowing a government shutdown would surely not be in their political interest; people would see this as an attempt to hobble an incoming administration that has the support of an absolute majority of those who voted.

        1. According to local morning drive-time radio, the most accurate election predictions this time around came from the BOOKIES. Specifically, oddsmakers for election betting pools.

          1. Interesting …

            So, nationally, the bookies and the polls got Biden’s support about right; it was Trump who gained a significantly higher share of the vote than predicted by the polls. Puts a different perspective on all this alleged fraud perhaps? Hmmm.

            (My impression is that ‘idiosyncratic’ approaches to such things as voter registration tends to disfavour the Democratic Party, although I stress that this is only an impression, and I would emphatically NOT wish to accuse the GOP or Trump of any unlawful behaviour.)

    1. I was following the PA counts and realized it would happen based on the fact Biden was getting > 70% of the mail-in ballot votes. AND he was going to surpass Trump even BEFORE they started counting votes that arrived after Nov. 3.

      and of course there is still the GA run-off election to go in Jan. Might not want to cancel that ambien prescription just yet 🙂

      1. After no joy on the usual websites and networks, I started watching something on broadcast TV this morning, then clicked over to ABC for some reason and “Biden Wins” was taking up the whole screen.

        Strangely, I saw ABC, NBC and CBS interrupted scheduled programming to cover the story, but when I checked Fox Network (not Fox News), they were talking about today’s college football games. Not even a crawl about the Biden victory at the bottom of the screen. Talk about your alternative reality…

        1. they do have it on their website. Even referring to Biden as “President-Elect”

          Still waiting to see Hannity or Carlson choking out the words “President-Elect Biden” though 😉

          1. Sure. I only caught Fox for that couple of minutes.

            And I didn’t check out Fox News at all.

    2. Now I can get a decent night’s sleep.

      You’ll need it to endure the next two months of scorched-earth sabotage.

    3. I wonder what exactly is going to be different the next four years. Sure, Joe Biden will do his best, but will Trump attempt to be a shadow president? He will still be the president of the 60+ million people who believe he only lost because of fraud. Will he continue to hold “press briefings” every day from Trump Tower and lay out his politics of personal grievance to the alternate reality of Right Wing news? Biden will say “Wear a mask.” and Trump will say “Only wusses wear masks.”. Will Republicans find it necessary to make a pilgrimage to receive the king’s blessing? Will he continue to call into Fox and Friends for 45 minutes each day and hold them hostage because they can’t hang up on him? Will he spend the next four years being a Harris Birther, which “news” outlets will breathlessly cover because it brings ratings? Because, I don’t think he’s going away any time soon.

      1. He’s a loser. His followers are, and will be perceived as, losers too. Most of them will drift away.

        1. They will drift away from being Trump followers, but the anger/hatred Trump tapped into will still likely be there. Ignoring that would be folly, because the next guy who taps into it might be a lot smarter and more skilful than Trump was.

          1. This hatred has been with us since the founding and before. The U.S. has always been two warring camps. You’re right that we must be vigilant. But the dichotomy will forever be with us.

          2. It hasn’t always been 2 warring camps, that is a result of what the US political system as devolved into. Even with a single topic: ex. abortion, there is a large spectrum of opinions about it, but people get categorized as pro-choice or pro-life.

          3. Sure there have been. We fought a civil war over it.

            There has been, since before the founding, a cosmopolitan culture and a rural culture. The amateur versus the expert. It’s been expressed in different ways, and these are rough definitions, not exact ones. Garry Wills covered it well in his book A Necessary Evil.

          4. You are describing a created dichotomy rather than a naturally occurring one. I.e you create an “Us vs. Them” system were one might not actually exist. People are far more complex than that and always have been.

            People have often competed on some issues and co-operated on others. The idea of there only being one of 2 political choices is only about a century old. Ex: up until the early 1900s there had been many presidential elections where multiple (i.e. more than 2) candidates earned > 0 electoral votes.

          5. It’s certainly not a constant, infallible analysis, and it is overly simplified, at the least, in my telling. And what you say is true for some events, less so for others.

            But it also happens to be true in the long run. And it manifested itself from the start, and is well-delineated in the conflict between the Federalists and the anti-Federalists and the federal versus state tension. It often manifests in the overbroad characterization of “national v. local”, but it is always there. It recedes, superficially, during crises like WWII, then comes roaring back in situations like Vietnam. It’s a tool that’s always in the box, and a perspective that underlies the culture constantly.

            I think now it is transitioning less geographically and more generationally. But it never goes away.

          6. It’s certainly not a constant, infallible analysis, and it is overly simplified, at the least, in my telling. And what you say is true for some events, less so for others.

            But it also happens to be true in the long run. And it manifested itself from the start, and is well-delineated in the conflict between the Federalists and the anti-Federalists and the federal versus state tension. It often manifests in the overbroad characterization of “national v. local”, but it is always there. It recedes, superficially, during crises like WWII, then comes roaring back in situations like Vietnam. It’s a tool that’s always in the box, and a perspective that underlies the culture constantly.

            I think now it is transitioning less geographically and more generationally. But it never goes away.

          7. And it will be supercharged by “THEY STOLE THE ELECTION!” making Trump a Persecuted Suffering Messiah and MARTYR for The Cause.
            i.e. This could add a Versailles Treaty situation to the mix.

    4. Yes – peace, prosperity and paradise will now be ushered in /sarcasm. I do hope you sleep with one eye open since it wasn’t Trump’s supporters who were rioting, burning, looting.

        1. Documentation please – I’ll amend my statement to “the vast majority of Trump’s supporters were not rioting, burning and looting.” I haven’t seen any documented evidence of it from a reliable source. So if you have something, please share.

          1. I’m not going to kill my evening on Google. Check the reports out of Minnesota: Law enforcement identified one or more non-protestors who were setting fires.

            I would concur with your characterization of “not the vast majority”. Then again, city cops haven’t made a practice of shooting and killing innocent white guys. So I understand the anger…

            Oh, and there were at least two “boogalooers” in California, one of whom shot and killed a cop during protests there.

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