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	Comments on: Grace Community Church and The Master&#8217;s University Have Outbreaks of COVID-19 (UPDATED with Church Response)	</title>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2020 18:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if seeing how poorly Trump does in the courts will change MacArthur&#039;s stance on fighting the covid restrictions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if seeing how poorly Trump does in the courts will change MacArthur&#8217;s stance on fighting the covid restrictions.</p>
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		By: DoctorDJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2020 18:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/23/grace-community-church-and-the-masters-university-have-outbreaks-of-covid-19/#comment-110328&quot;&gt;Qwerty&lt;/a&gt;.

A bunch of us are all over the interwebz, including hanging at Hemant&#039;s place. 

If it&#039;s to call attention to Hemant&#039;s post today,* Warren and John Fea have also discussed the cost to Evangelical Christianity for supporting tRump over the years. Fea&#039;s post yesterday, https://thewayofimprovement.com/2020/11/02/court-evangelicals-make-their-final-pitch-on-election-day-eve/ , is an especially embarrassing take on the tRump evangelists.

*https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/11/03/trumps-lasting-legacy-he-made-it-much-harder-to-be-a-conservative-christian/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/23/grace-community-church-and-the-masters-university-have-outbreaks-of-covid-19/#comment-110328">Qwerty</a>.</p>
<p>A bunch of us are all over the interwebz, including hanging at Hemant&#8217;s place. </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s to call attention to Hemant&#8217;s post today,* Warren and John Fea have also discussed the cost to Evangelical Christianity for supporting tRump over the years. Fea&#8217;s post yesterday, <a href="https://thewayofimprovement.com/2020/11/02/court-evangelicals-make-their-final-pitch-on-election-day-eve/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thewayofimprovement.com/2020/11/02/court-evangelicals-make-their-final-pitch-on-election-day-eve/</a> , is an especially embarrassing take on the tRump evangelists.</p>
<p>*https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/11/03/trumps-lasting-legacy-he-made-it-much-harder-to-be-a-conservative-christian/</p>
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		By: Qwerty		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Qwerty]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2020 17:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/23/grace-community-church-and-the-masters-university-have-outbreaks-of-covid-19/#comment-110320&quot;&gt;mirele&lt;/a&gt;.

Did any of those getting sick that you speak of attend JMac&#039;s church?  Where did they catch COVID?  Can you blame your local Christians for those individuals getting sick?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/23/grace-community-church-and-the-masters-university-have-outbreaks-of-covid-19/#comment-110320">mirele</a>.</p>
<p>Did any of those getting sick that you speak of attend JMac&#8217;s church?  Where did they catch COVID?  Can you blame your local Christians for those individuals getting sick?</p>
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		By: Qwerty		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2020 12:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Quick poll: how many of y&#039;all also read and comment on Friendly Atheist&#039;s blog?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick poll: how many of y&#8217;all also read and comment on Friendly Atheist&#8217;s blog?</p>
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		By: DoctorDJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DoctorDJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2020 17:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[O/T:


Ewww. For those of you interested in a deep delve into the sleazy world of Jerry Falwell and Liberty University, see https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/01/jerry-falwell-liberty-university-becki-self-dealing-sex-430207]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O/T:</p>
<p>Ewww. For those of you interested in a deep delve into the sleazy world of Jerry Falwell and Liberty University, see <a href="https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/01/jerry-falwell-liberty-university-becki-self-dealing-sex-430207" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/11/01/jerry-falwell-liberty-university-becki-self-dealing-sex-430207</a></p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2020 15:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/23/grace-community-church-and-the-masters-university-have-outbreaks-of-covid-19/#comment-110265&quot;&gt;Tacitus&lt;/a&gt;.

A lot of megas pressure their older members (more likely to die if COVID-infected) to include the church in their wills and estate planning, don&#039;t they?

FEATURE, NOT BUG.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/23/grace-community-church-and-the-masters-university-have-outbreaks-of-covid-19/#comment-110265">Tacitus</a>.</p>
<p>A lot of megas pressure their older members (more likely to die if COVID-infected) to include the church in their wills and estate planning, don&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>FEATURE, NOT BUG.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/23/grace-community-church-and-the-masters-university-have-outbreaks-of-covid-19/#comment-110307&quot;&gt;Rob Grayson&lt;/a&gt;.

That is an astonishing thing to say from a pulpit!  Of we like to organize things for our own benefit, but one job of preachers is to remind us continually that there is more to life than that ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/23/grace-community-church-and-the-masters-university-have-outbreaks-of-covid-19/#comment-110307">Rob Grayson</a>.</p>
<p>That is an astonishing thing to say from a pulpit!  Of we like to organize things for our own benefit, but one job of preachers is to remind us continually that there is more to life than that &#8230;</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/23/grace-community-church-and-the-masters-university-have-outbreaks-of-covid-19/#comment-110270&quot;&gt;mirele&lt;/a&gt;.

Herd immunity ... hmmmm


Many cases of the &#039;common cold&#039; are the result of infection with another (previously known) coronavirus, I gather ...


In both the USA and the UK, the government talked of herd immunity at the start.  In the UK, such talk has all but ceased - for good reason IMO.


MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV(-1) did not spread easily, though they are significantly more deadly than today&#039;s SARS-CoV-2, and seem to have failed to thrive, at least for the moment.  But I do not for a moment believe that this &#039;failure&#039; on their part has anything to do with herd immunity.


My view (like yours, I am sure) is that we need to be careful until effective prophylaxis or treatment is available.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/23/grace-community-church-and-the-masters-university-have-outbreaks-of-covid-19/#comment-110270">mirele</a>.</p>
<p>Herd immunity &#8230; hmmmm</p>
<p>Many cases of the &#8216;common cold&#8217; are the result of infection with another (previously known) coronavirus, I gather &#8230;</p>
<p>In both the USA and the UK, the government talked of herd immunity at the start.  In the UK, such talk has all but ceased &#8211; for good reason IMO.</p>
<p>MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV(-1) did not spread easily, though they are significantly more deadly than today&#8217;s SARS-CoV-2, and seem to have failed to thrive, at least for the moment.  But I do not for a moment believe that this &#8216;failure&#8217; on their part has anything to do with herd immunity.</p>
<p>My view (like yours, I am sure) is that we need to be careful until effective prophylaxis or treatment is available.</p>
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		By: mirele		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s garbage. Most of the people at the operations center I worked at before March 12 are working at home. However, some jobs (e.g. cash vault, printing) have to be done on site. Every week I get a notice that someone has gotten sick. Last week I got TWO notices. And yesterday, we were told we would be out of the office until at least January 1. 

Moreover, the economy is not and has never been closed in the USA. I&#039;ve worked every day I wasn&#039;t off since March, because people tend to get itchy if they can&#039;t virtually fondle their money. There has never been a day when I couldn&#039;t fill up my car or go to the grocery store. If the economy were truly shut down, you&#039;d know it. The last time the economy came really close to grinding to a halt was in Sept.-Oct. 2008, when the  financial crisis was leading to a liquidity shortage. Had that shortage actually occurred, you wouldn&#039;t have been able to get cash from an ATM. That did not happen, obviously, but it was close.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s garbage. Most of the people at the operations center I worked at before March 12 are working at home. However, some jobs (e.g. cash vault, printing) have to be done on site. Every week I get a notice that someone has gotten sick. Last week I got TWO notices. And yesterday, we were told we would be out of the office until at least January 1. </p>
<p>Moreover, the economy is not and has never been closed in the USA. I&#8217;ve worked every day I wasn&#8217;t off since March, because people tend to get itchy if they can&#8217;t virtually fondle their money. There has never been a day when I couldn&#8217;t fill up my car or go to the grocery store. If the economy were truly shut down, you&#8217;d know it. The last time the economy came really close to grinding to a halt was in Sept.-Oct. 2008, when the  financial crisis was leading to a liquidity shortage. Had that shortage actually occurred, you wouldn&#8217;t have been able to get cash from an ATM. That did not happen, obviously, but it was close.</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/23/grace-community-church-and-the-masters-university-have-outbreaks-of-covid-19/#comment-110307&quot;&gt;Rob Grayson&lt;/a&gt;.

Again, &quot;IT&#039;S ALL GONNA BURN.&quot;
I&#039;m not surprised to hear that JMac is Dispy. RAPTURE Ready Dispy.
AND More Calvinist than Calvin. Add that to Rapture Dispy and you get what&#039;s probably the WORST possible combination.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/23/grace-community-church-and-the-masters-university-have-outbreaks-of-covid-19/#comment-110307">Rob Grayson</a>.</p>
<p>Again, &#8220;IT&#8217;S ALL GONNA BURN.&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m not surprised to hear that JMac is Dispy. RAPTURE Ready Dispy.<br />
AND More Calvinist than Calvin. Add that to Rapture Dispy and you get what&#8217;s probably the WORST possible combination.</p>
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