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	Comments on: John MacArthur, Tony Perkins, Wayne Grudem, Others Call Evangelicals to COVID Denial	</title>
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		By: Let there be truth		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112558</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 16:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112555&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

It is three scientists talking about all the proof.  You could start with 15 minutes. No, I am not going to dig through scientific journals, which you would ignore anyway. 
I did not claim three deaths, I posted an article from the New York Times that reported nine states suspended giving the vaccine because of three deaths. Then the whole program was halted later. Maybe I forgot to cite it. 

https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/13/archives/swine-flu-prograrm-is-halted-in-9-states-as-3-die-after-shots.html

Like I said, it’s useless because we both think our sources, or logic,  are right. Again best wishes for health and peace. Goodbye.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112555">ken</a>.</p>
<p>It is three scientists talking about all the proof.  You could start with 15 minutes. No, I am not going to dig through scientific journals, which you would ignore anyway.<br />
I did not claim three deaths, I posted an article from the New York Times that reported nine states suspended giving the vaccine because of three deaths. Then the whole program was halted later. Maybe I forgot to cite it. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/13/archives/swine-flu-prograrm-is-halted-in-9-states-as-3-die-after-shots.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/13/archives/swine-flu-prograrm-is-halted-in-9-states-as-3-die-after-shots.html</a></p>
<p>Like I said, it’s useless because we both think our sources, or logic,  are right. Again best wishes for health and peace. Goodbye.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112556</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 15:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112553&quot;&gt;Let there be truth&lt;/a&gt;.

So it was 53 deaths not 3 deaths as you originally claimed and &lt;em&gt;more importantly&lt;/em&gt; the  high rate of GB syndrome it was causing.    



Another part you are missing (because you again ignored my question) :


How many people died from swine flew in the 1970s?]]></description>
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<p>So it was 53 deaths not 3 deaths as you originally claimed and <em>more importantly</em> the  high rate of GB syndrome it was causing.    </p>
<p>Another part you are missing (because you again ignored my question) :</p>
<p>How many people died from swine flew in the 1970s?</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112566</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 13:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112558&quot;&gt;Let there be truth&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I did not claim three deaths&quot;


This is what you said:



&quot;I just found out that after millions of shots in the 1970s for swine flu, the program was stopped because of 3 deaths.&quot;


You used this claim as a justification for stopping the covid vaccine.   Your source (the NYT article) said the program was being suspended (not stopped).  Even misunderstanding what the article was saying, anyone with any sense would have realized a nationwide vaccine program wouldn&#039;t have been stopped because of 3 deaths.  There would have had to be more to the story.  And there is.  You just didn&#039;t want to bother looking because that wouldn&#039;t fit your narrative. 



I suspect the same is true for your podcast.  Which is why I&#039;m not going to waste my time listening to 3  hours of it.   If they have actual data or peer-reviewed science to support their &lt;em&gt;opinions&lt;/em&gt; then feel free to post that info.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112558">Let there be truth</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I did not claim three deaths&#8221;</p>
<p>This is what you said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I just found out that after millions of shots in the 1970s for swine flu, the program was stopped because of 3 deaths.&#8221;</p>
<p>You used this claim as a justification for stopping the covid vaccine.   Your source (the NYT article) said the program was being suspended (not stopped).  Even misunderstanding what the article was saying, anyone with any sense would have realized a nationwide vaccine program wouldn&#8217;t have been stopped because of 3 deaths.  There would have had to be more to the story.  And there is.  You just didn&#8217;t want to bother looking because that wouldn&#8217;t fit your narrative. </p>
<p>I suspect the same is true for your podcast.  Which is why I&#8217;m not going to waste my time listening to 3  hours of it.   If they have actual data or peer-reviewed science to support their <em>opinions</em> then feel free to post that info.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 11:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112552&quot;&gt;Let there be truth&lt;/a&gt;.

No the 5000 deaths are NOT a reason to stop the vaccine.  because: 



a) it is unknown how many of those deaths had anything to do with the vaccine


b)  even if those deaths were due to the vaccine you would still be &lt;strong&gt;1000 times&lt;/strong&gt; less likely to die from the vaccine than from covid-19.]]></description>
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<p>No the 5000 deaths are NOT a reason to stop the vaccine.  because: </p>
<p>a) it is unknown how many of those deaths had anything to do with the vaccine</p>
<p>b)  even if those deaths were due to the vaccine you would still be <strong>1000 times</strong> less likely to die from the vaccine than from covid-19.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 11:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112554&quot;&gt;Let there be truth&lt;/a&gt;.

No I&#039;m not wasting 3 hours of my time.  If these guys had any proof of their claims you&#039;d be able to provide it.]]></description>
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<p>No I&#8217;m not wasting 3 hours of my time.  If these guys had any proof of their claims you&#8217;d be able to provide it.</p>
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		By: Let there be truth		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112550</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Let there be truth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 03:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112549&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

Best wishes.]]></description>
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<p>Best wishes.</p>
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		By: Let there be truth		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112554</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Let there be truth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 03:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112549&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

I dare you to listen to this. 
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bret-weinstein-darkhorse-podcast/id1471581521?i=1000525032595]]></description>
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<p>I dare you to listen to this.<br />
<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bret-weinstein-darkhorse-podcast/id1471581521?i=1000525032595" rel="nofollow ugc">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bret-weinstein-darkhorse-podcast/id1471581521?i=1000525032595</a></p>
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		By: Let there be truth		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Let there be truth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 02:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112551&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

As I research the 1976 vaccine program ending,  I see concern about a condition and deaths resulting from the swine flu vaccine and the fact that the virus didn’t spread. Since you say I don’t have a clue, what am I missing?
“In 1976, concerns in the United States about a possible influenza pandemic involving a virus similar to the deadly 1918 pandemic strain resulted in a large-scale vaccination program for the entire country. Approximately 45 million people were vaccinated in 10 weeks with what became known as the “swine flu vaccine” [16]. The US government abruptly stopped the vaccination program when no swine flu cases were detected outside the military base where the disease originated and when an unexpectedly high number of cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome were reported in vaccinated individuals. The vaccine was estimated to have caused approximately one Guillain-Barré syndrome case per 100,000 persons vaccinated [17], resulting in 53 deaths [18]. As a result of the association between the 1976 swine flu vaccine and Guillain-Barré syndrome, this condition is closely monitored every influenza season as part of the influenza vaccine safety monitoring in the United States.“]]></description>
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<p>As I research the 1976 vaccine program ending,  I see concern about a condition and deaths resulting from the swine flu vaccine and the fact that the virus didn’t spread. Since you say I don’t have a clue, what am I missing?<br />
“In 1976, concerns in the United States about a possible influenza pandemic involving a virus similar to the deadly 1918 pandemic strain resulted in a large-scale vaccination program for the entire country. Approximately 45 million people were vaccinated in 10 weeks with what became known as the “swine flu vaccine” [16]. The US government abruptly stopped the vaccination program when no swine flu cases were detected outside the military base where the disease originated and when an unexpectedly high number of cases of Guillain-Barré syndrome were reported in vaccinated individuals. The vaccine was estimated to have caused approximately one Guillain-Barré syndrome case per 100,000 persons vaccinated [17], resulting in 53 deaths [18]. As a result of the association between the 1976 swine flu vaccine and Guillain-Barré syndrome, this condition is closely monitored every influenza season as part of the influenza vaccine safety monitoring in the United States.“</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 01:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112544&quot;&gt;Let there be truth&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Did this doctor really die of natural causes after the shot?&quot;


He likely died from heart failure caused by ITP.  According to the article there is not enough evidence to know if the vaccine had anything to do with his death.  However, what if it did?  What if it was conclusively proved he wouldn&#039;t have died if he didn&#039;t take the vaccine.  What do you think that would prove? 



Regarding swine flu.  



How many people contracted swine flu in the 1970s?
How many people died from it or had any serious long-term health problems?


I&#039;m not sure what you think you are proving, but what you are proving is that you have no idea what you are talking about.]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;Did this doctor really die of natural causes after the shot?&#8221;</p>
<p>He likely died from heart failure caused by ITP.  According to the article there is not enough evidence to know if the vaccine had anything to do with his death.  However, what if it did?  What if it was conclusively proved he wouldn&#8217;t have died if he didn&#8217;t take the vaccine.  What do you think that would prove? </p>
<p>Regarding swine flu.  </p>
<p>How many people contracted swine flu in the 1970s?<br />
How many people died from it or had any serious long-term health problems?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you think you are proving, but what you are proving is that you have no idea what you are talking about.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 01:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112534&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

I am not seeing my response where I said I was sorry, that I was responding to what DoctorDJ wrote about scoffing. Hopefully you got that one. 
The amount of vaccine injuries and deaths proves that this vaccine was not tested enough, that it is being tested on the general population without their knowledge under the false pretense that they are safe. We also don’t know the long term effects, the possibility of ADE in the future, the possibility of infertility in the future or other effects. And the lack of reporting of these injuries and deaths shows something sinister is going on. 

About the swine flu vaccines, the first article to come up was from the NYT:
WASHINGTON, Oct. 12—Swine flu vaccination programs in nine states and in Pittsburgh and its suburbs were suspended today, two weeks after they began nationally, after the deaths of three elderly persons who received the vaccine yesterday at a clinic in Pittsburgh.
(1976)]]></description>
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<p>I am not seeing my response where I said I was sorry, that I was responding to what DoctorDJ wrote about scoffing. Hopefully you got that one.<br />
The amount of vaccine injuries and deaths proves that this vaccine was not tested enough, that it is being tested on the general population without their knowledge under the false pretense that they are safe. We also don’t know the long term effects, the possibility of ADE in the future, the possibility of infertility in the future or other effects. And the lack of reporting of these injuries and deaths shows something sinister is going on. </p>
<p>About the swine flu vaccines, the first article to come up was from the NYT:<br />
WASHINGTON, Oct. 12—Swine flu vaccination programs in nine states and in Pittsburgh and its suburbs were suspended today, two weeks after they began nationally, after the deaths of three elderly persons who received the vaccine yesterday at a clinic in Pittsburgh.<br />
(1976)</p>
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