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	Comments on: John MacArthur, Tony Perkins, Wayne Grudem, Others Call Evangelicals to COVID Denial	</title>
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		By: Let there be truth		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112558</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Let there be truth]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 16:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112555&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

It is three scientists talking about all the proof.  You could start with 15 minutes. No, I am not going to dig through scientific journals, which you would ignore anyway. 
I did not claim three deaths, I posted an article from the New York Times that reported nine states suspended giving the vaccine because of three deaths. Then the whole program was halted later. Maybe I forgot to cite it. 

https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/13/archives/swine-flu-prograrm-is-halted-in-9-states-as-3-die-after-shots.html

Like I said, it’s useless because we both think our sources, or logic,  are right. Again best wishes for health and peace. Goodbye.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112555">ken</a>.</p>
<p>It is three scientists talking about all the proof.  You could start with 15 minutes. No, I am not going to dig through scientific journals, which you would ignore anyway.<br />
I did not claim three deaths, I posted an article from the New York Times that reported nine states suspended giving the vaccine because of three deaths. Then the whole program was halted later. Maybe I forgot to cite it. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/13/archives/swine-flu-prograrm-is-halted-in-9-states-as-3-die-after-shots.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nytimes.com/1976/10/13/archives/swine-flu-prograrm-is-halted-in-9-states-as-3-die-after-shots.html</a></p>
<p>Like I said, it’s useless because we both think our sources, or logic,  are right. Again best wishes for health and peace. Goodbye.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112556</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 15:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112553&quot;&gt;Let there be truth&lt;/a&gt;.

So it was 53 deaths not 3 deaths as you originally claimed and &lt;em&gt;more importantly&lt;/em&gt; the  high rate of GB syndrome it was causing.    



Another part you are missing (because you again ignored my question) :


How many people died from swine flew in the 1970s?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112553">Let there be truth</a>.</p>
<p>So it was 53 deaths not 3 deaths as you originally claimed and <em>more importantly</em> the  high rate of GB syndrome it was causing.    </p>
<p>Another part you are missing (because you again ignored my question) :</p>
<p>How many people died from swine flew in the 1970s?</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112566</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 13:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112558&quot;&gt;Let there be truth&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;I did not claim three deaths&quot;


This is what you said:



&quot;I just found out that after millions of shots in the 1970s for swine flu, the program was stopped because of 3 deaths.&quot;


You used this claim as a justification for stopping the covid vaccine.   Your source (the NYT article) said the program was being suspended (not stopped).  Even misunderstanding what the article was saying, anyone with any sense would have realized a nationwide vaccine program wouldn&#039;t have been stopped because of 3 deaths.  There would have had to be more to the story.  And there is.  You just didn&#039;t want to bother looking because that wouldn&#039;t fit your narrative. 



I suspect the same is true for your podcast.  Which is why I&#039;m not going to waste my time listening to 3  hours of it.   If they have actual data or peer-reviewed science to support their &lt;em&gt;opinions&lt;/em&gt; then feel free to post that info.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112558">Let there be truth</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;I did not claim three deaths&#8221;</p>
<p>This is what you said:</p>
<p>&#8220;I just found out that after millions of shots in the 1970s for swine flu, the program was stopped because of 3 deaths.&#8221;</p>
<p>You used this claim as a justification for stopping the covid vaccine.   Your source (the NYT article) said the program was being suspended (not stopped).  Even misunderstanding what the article was saying, anyone with any sense would have realized a nationwide vaccine program wouldn&#8217;t have been stopped because of 3 deaths.  There would have had to be more to the story.  And there is.  You just didn&#8217;t want to bother looking because that wouldn&#8217;t fit your narrative. </p>
<p>I suspect the same is true for your podcast.  Which is why I&#8217;m not going to waste my time listening to 3  hours of it.   If they have actual data or peer-reviewed science to support their <em>opinions</em> then feel free to post that info.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112557</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 11:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112552&quot;&gt;Let there be truth&lt;/a&gt;.

No the 5000 deaths are NOT a reason to stop the vaccine.  because: 



a) it is unknown how many of those deaths had anything to do with the vaccine


b)  even if those deaths were due to the vaccine you would still be &lt;strong&gt;1000 times&lt;/strong&gt; less likely to die from the vaccine than from covid-19.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112552">Let there be truth</a>.</p>
<p>No the 5000 deaths are NOT a reason to stop the vaccine.  because: </p>
<p>a) it is unknown how many of those deaths had anything to do with the vaccine</p>
<p>b)  even if those deaths were due to the vaccine you would still be <strong>1000 times</strong> less likely to die from the vaccine than from covid-19.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112555</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 11:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/12/john-macarthur-tony-perkins-wayne-grudem-others-call-evangelicals-to-covid-denial/#comment-112554&quot;&gt;Let there be truth&lt;/a&gt;.

No I&#039;m not wasting 3 hours of my time.  If these guys had any proof of their claims you&#039;d be able to provide it.]]></description>
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<p>No I&#8217;m not wasting 3 hours of my time.  If these guys had any proof of their claims you&#8217;d be able to provide it.</p>
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