SOME blacks yes. However, not anywhere close to achieving parity with whites. Certainly not enough to overcome the systemic racism caused by having whites dominating business, education, politics.

I agree with you on the effects of slavery and I don’t deny those persistent racial disparities, but it is also true that despite such hardships of the past, there have been significant increase in the African American community in the middle class status for the past 55 years. It is also true blacks have been able to achieve numerous powerful positions in the realms of business, education, economics, engineering, and politics. That why I said before, when it comes to the existence of systemic racism and white privilege, the reality is very complicated.

I was never defending the killing of George Floyd

You sort of are just a bit though. Asking how he got under that police car, saying Floyd was noncomplying, describing Chauvin’s actions as “holding his neck”, implying that the update to the autopsy report was somehow suspicious because it was announced by a black officer. I don’t know what the purpose of saying those thing is unless it’s an attempt to somehow mitigate the crime.

I am vehemently against labeling it as a racially motivated hate crime murder

The fact is, we don’t know Chauvin’s motivations. He could be a totally equal opportunity brutal cop, but that’s kind of beside the point. Black men are killed by police at a disproportionally high rate compared to white people. That’s is the definition of systemic racism. You can’t look at any *one* case and say race was the only factor. But, in the aggregate, after all the numbers are counted, black people are stopped more, searched more, arrested more, charged more, convicted more, sentenced higher, and killed by police more. Why? How do we make our justice system more equitable? That is why people are crying out. Floyd is part of the broader pattern and a particularly egregious case.

WRT to Yankel Rosenbaum, you are fighting a straw man. No one says sometimes white people are mistreated by blacks. That it’s somehow beyond the realm of possibility. What we say is systemic racism against black people is a much bigger problem at the moment. And literally no one would get in trouble for factually reporting the case of Yankel Rosenbaum. What might get you labeled a racist though is to bring it up right after a black man is unjustly murdered and use that case to argue that it somehow nullifies that unjust killing. Two wrongs do not make a right.

The point is that when POCs get the opportunity to have positions of power, they can become oppressors themselves.

Let’s agree to cross that bridge when we get to it, buddy. And when and if it happens, I’ll be right beside you, metaphorically speaking.

it’s an “ideology” really, that’s what you think it is. So you don’t think centuries of slavery and oppression haven’t had any effect on the racial disparities in the US? What do you attribute those persistent racial disparities too then?

It could be possible that it was a hate crime and if it can be proven during the trial, then the perpetrators should by punished accordingly. The issue is that a bunch of hoodlums are already determined that it was a hate crime in order to justify destruction of property and violent attacks on the police and innocent white people. To me, the systemic racism is an ideology which can be easily refuted.

LOL that’s so sweet

“I was never defending the killing of George Floyd,”

No you simply tried to mitigate the severity of it by claiming it was “an accident”

“I am vehemently against labeling it as a racially motivated hate crime murder.”

what if it actual was racially motivated? wouldn’t that make it a hate crime?

what do you think “systemic racism” means?

I was never defending the killing of George Floyd, but I am vehemently against labeling it as a racially motivated hate crime murder. I also believe that every suspect deserves a fair trial. I shared the story of Yankel Rosenbaum in order to refute the position of the Left how supposedly we have systemic racism where whites are always in power and they benefit from oppressing POCs. But the reality is a lot more complicated than that. I am sure that if any college student would tell the story of Yankel Rosenbaum to their sociology professor who happen to be black, that student would be labeled as racist and get in trouble. The point is that when POCs get the opportunity to have positions of power, they can become oppressors themselves. This is what the Left wants and that’s what these riots that are happening across America are about. I don’t believe that if they succeed it is going to be a better society, only worse.

I’m not sure why you are trying to defend Chauvin in the slightest. It is a fact that Floyd was cuffed behind his back, whatever resistance he could have given was effectively over at that point. It’s a fact that he told Chauvin he couldn’t breath. Chauvin’s attorneys will certainly argue it was merely a tragic accident, but Chauvin did something so reckless which directly contributed to Floyd’s death, that he is at least guilty of 3rd degree murder if not more. Floyd’s alleged crimes are irrelevant. His past history with police is irrelevant. His previous hypothetical resistance to arrest is irrelevant. What drugs he had in his system is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that Floyd was physically restrained and of no possible danger to Chauvin for the 8 minutes it took to kill him.

Also, your point about a 30 year old murder of Jewish guy is appalling. This is classic bothsiderism. Even if your reporting of events is correct, so the F what? That can be wrong and systemic racism against black people can be wrong too. One does not excuse the other. You can be upset at Floyd’s murder without that invaliding anger at other unjust murders of non-black people. And, it’s not morally inconsistent to demand change based on one unjust murder without having to re-examine every unjust murder in history.

What’s more, again, even if what you report is true and accurate, it completely misses the scale. So, if 1000 black men die because of systemic racial injustice and one non-black guy dies, yes it’s technically true “both sides” do it, but one is a much bigger problem than the other. One category should be address far more urgently than the other. This doesn’t mean you don’t care. You have to start somewhere.

You respond Yankel Rosenbaum? So, we can never address systemic racism against blacks because of one murder of a Jewish guy 30 years ago. Yeah, that makes sense. And I guess we should never have passed the voting rights act because one time a black guy wouldn’t let a white guy vote.

“I don’t know what to make of the video, since didn’t see how it happened”

And yet you still claimed that Floyd was “uncomplying”

“As for systemic racism: it can go both ways”

No it can’t and if you believe that you don’t really understand what it is. Isolated instances where a black person was able to discriminate against a white one are NOT examples of “systemic racism.”