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		By: seashell		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103932</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[@disqus_U4H24LH1OD:disqus 
Interesting article from earlier this month in WaPo:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;McKrae Game wants people to know that he was wrong about all of it.

He was wrong to found Hope for Wholeness Network, a faith-based conversion therapy program that seeks to rid people of their LGBTQ identities. He was wrong to create a slogan promoting the idea of “freedom from homosexuality through Jesus Christ.” He was wrong to tell people they were doomed for all eternity if they didn’t change their ways.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;“I was a religious zealot that hurt people,” Game told the Post and Courier. “People said they attempted suicide over me and the things I said to them. People, I know, are in therapy because of me. Why would I want that to continue?”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I might ask why you would also want that hurt to continue? Religious zealotry, perhaps?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/09/03/conversion-therapy-center-founder-who-sought-turn-lgbtq-christians-straight-now-says-hes-gay-rejects-cycle-shame/]]></description>
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Interesting article from earlier this month in WaPo:</p>
<blockquote><p><i>McKrae Game wants people to know that he was wrong about all of it.</p>
<p>He was wrong to found Hope for Wholeness Network, a faith-based conversion therapy program that seeks to rid people of their LGBTQ identities. He was wrong to create a slogan promoting the idea of “freedom from homosexuality through Jesus Christ.” He was wrong to tell people they were doomed for all eternity if they didn’t change their ways.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p><i>“I was a religious zealot that hurt people,” Game told the Post and Courier. “People said they attempted suicide over me and the things I said to them. People, I know, are in therapy because of me. Why would I want that to continue?”</i></p></blockquote>
<p>I might ask why you would also want that hurt to continue? Religious zealotry, perhaps?</p>
<p><a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/09/03/conversion-therapy-center-founder-who-sought-turn-lgbtq-christians-straight-now-says-hes-gay-rejects-cycle-shame/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/09/03/conversion-therapy-center-founder-who-sought-turn-lgbtq-christians-straight-now-says-hes-gay-rejects-cycle-shame/</a></p>
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		By: PFBrownsey		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103928</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2019 17:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103671&quot;&gt;Reflex&lt;/a&gt;.

Many of us, realising in our teens that we were gay in a hostile environment, perhaps even praying for change in ourselves, managed to kid ourselves for a bit that we weren&#039;t gay.  Even when our eyes were following an attractive boy down the road, we&#039;d tell ourselves, &quot;No, I&#039;m, NOT gay.  That&#039;s just a lingering habit but the homosexuality has gone.&quot;  And we&#039;d look at girls and tell ourselves that, ooh, we fancied them so very much, and might even, with much effort, not to mention thinking about, oh, Tab Hunter or Guy Madison, manage a one-off sex act with a girl, and then we&#039;d tell ourselves, &quot;Yes, I really am straight,&quot; and that would keep us going as we looked at the photos of bare-chested men in film magazines.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103671">Reflex</a>.</p>
<p>Many of us, realising in our teens that we were gay in a hostile environment, perhaps even praying for change in ourselves, managed to kid ourselves for a bit that we weren&#8217;t gay.  Even when our eyes were following an attractive boy down the road, we&#8217;d tell ourselves, &#8220;No, I&#8217;m, NOT gay.  That&#8217;s just a lingering habit but the homosexuality has gone.&#8221;  And we&#8217;d look at girls and tell ourselves that, ooh, we fancied them so very much, and might even, with much effort, not to mention thinking about, oh, Tab Hunter or Guy Madison, manage a one-off sex act with a girl, and then we&#8217;d tell ourselves, &#8220;Yes, I really am straight,&#8221; and that would keep us going as we looked at the photos of bare-chested men in film magazines.</p>
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		By: PFBrownsey		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103931</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2019 16:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103647&quot;&gt;Liz&lt;/a&gt;.

Are you saying that ALL desires compel the possessor of them to act?--That when you experience a desire to visit your brother you are subject to a compulsion?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103647">Liz</a>.</p>
<p>Are you saying that ALL desires compel the possessor of them to act?&#8211;That when you experience a desire to visit your brother you are subject to a compulsion?</p>
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		By: PFBrownsey		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103930</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2019 16:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103629&quot;&gt;Liz&lt;/a&gt;.

Ah, so the desires, which you wrongly label &quot;sinful&quot;, are still there.  It&#039;s just that the person is not &quot;compelled&quot; to act on them.

That&#039;s not ceasing to be gay.

Oh, and gay people are no more &quot;compelled&quot; to act on their desires than heterosexuals are.  If I am &quot;compelled&quot; to act on my desires, then so are sweet ol&#039; heterosexual you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103629">Liz</a>.</p>
<p>Ah, so the desires, which you wrongly label &#8220;sinful&#8221;, are still there.  It&#8217;s just that the person is not &#8220;compelled&#8221; to act on them.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not ceasing to be gay.</p>
<p>Oh, and gay people are no more &#8220;compelled&#8221; to act on their desires than heterosexuals are.  If I am &#8220;compelled&#8221; to act on my desires, then so are sweet ol&#8217; heterosexual you.</p>
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		By: PFBrownsey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2019 16:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103606&quot;&gt;Liz&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;a past pornography addiction - same type thing.&quot;

It&#039;s not the same type of thing at all.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103606">Liz</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;a past pornography addiction &#8211; same type thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the same type of thing at all.</p>
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		By: PFBrownsey		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103927</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PFBrownsey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103667&quot;&gt;Liz&lt;/a&gt;.

One way of demonstrating that change of sexuality would be for you to change your sexuality from heterosexuality to homosexuality.  Don&#039;t worry, if you can change one way you can change back again, and  so long as you do it as a witness to the possibility of change for the sake of the Lord, He will approve.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103667">Liz</a>.</p>
<p>One way of demonstrating that change of sexuality would be for you to change your sexuality from heterosexuality to homosexuality.  Don&#8217;t worry, if you can change one way you can change back again, and  so long as you do it as a witness to the possibility of change for the sake of the Lord, He will approve.</p>
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		By: PFBrownsey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103680&quot;&gt;Liz&lt;/a&gt;.

In that case, the Bible is wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103680">Liz</a>.</p>
<p>In that case, the Bible is wrong.</p>
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		By: David Rahrer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Sep 2019 00:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103922&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

This is what I was thinking. It really doesn&#039;t make sense any other way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103922">ken</a>.</p>
<p>This is what I was thinking. It really doesn&#8217;t make sense any other way.</p>
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		By: seashell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seashell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2019 22:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A &lt;a href=&quot;https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6456/eaat7693&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;study&lt;/a&gt; published Aug. 30 that involved almost half a million participants (493,001) from the US, UK and Sweden led the lead author to declare that &lt;i&gt;&quot;same-sex sexual behavior is simply “a natural part of our diversity as a species.”&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The study found not just one gene, but a handful of genes that connect to SSA.

It seems to me that homophobia can be dealt with therapeutically and we should encourage those who suffer from it to pursue that avenue so they can enjoy life as it really exists and not according to their fears. Gay people are just fine as they are.

ETA: Forgot to add that a &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/09/19/church-members-pinned-down-worshiper-tried-pray-gay-away-he-alleges/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pray the gay away&lt;/a&gt;&quot; occasion in an Oklahoma church led to wall slamming and punches last Sunday. Can&#039;t see that becoming a popular form of conversion therapy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A <a href="https://science.sciencemag.org/content/365/6456/eaat7693" rel="nofollow">study</a> published Aug. 30 that involved almost half a million participants (493,001) from the US, UK and Sweden led the lead author to declare that <i>&#8220;same-sex sexual behavior is simply “a natural part of our diversity as a species.”&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The study found not just one gene, but a handful of genes that connect to SSA.</p>
<p>It seems to me that homophobia can be dealt with therapeutically and we should encourage those who suffer from it to pursue that avenue so they can enjoy life as it really exists and not according to their fears. Gay people are just fine as they are.</p>
<p>ETA: Forgot to add that a &#8220;<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/09/19/church-members-pinned-down-worshiper-tried-pray-gay-away-he-alleges/" rel="nofollow">pray the gay away</a>&#8221; occasion in an Oklahoma church led to wall slamming and punches last Sunday. Can&#8217;t see that becoming a popular form of conversion therapy.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Sep 2019 20:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103923&quot;&gt;David Rahrer&lt;/a&gt;.

If the story is as Cormie says, (the pastor is claiming it isn&#039;t) then I do hope charges are filed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/09/09/is-there-a-war-on-psychotherapy/#comment-103923">David Rahrer</a>.</p>
<p>If the story is as Cormie says, (the pastor is claiming it isn&#8217;t) then I do hope charges are filed.</p>
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