Comments on: Some Questions for Francis Chan, K.P. Yohannan, & Gospel for Asia about Believers Church and Ring Kissing https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/02/some-questions-for-francis-chan-k-p-yohannan-gospel-for-asia-about-believers-church-and-ring-kissing/ A [retired] college psychology professor's observations about public policy, mental health, sexual identity, and religious issues Sat, 04 Jan 2020 23:48:49 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.3 By: Pat Kirwan https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/02/some-questions-for-francis-chan-k-p-yohannan-gospel-for-asia-about-believers-church-and-ring-kissing/#comment-105753 Sat, 04 Jan 2020 23:48:49 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=34901#comment-105753 I only just saw this Francis Chan and KP video and would like to comment….

It strikes me as being brilliant at presenting a spiritual face to deceive weak Western believers, while skillfully avoiding the entire issue.
WHERE IS THE MISSING TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS?!

It’s really bizarre. They talk about needing millions to pay off a class action lawsuit they lost, but do in such a way that
people won’t even stop and think, “how come they lost and have been forced to pay tens of millions of dollars to people?”

I won’t even touch the ridiculous bold-faced lies by KP about his ring-kissing fetish etc.
WAKE UP AND DON’T ALLOW YOURSELF TO BE DECEIVED BY SMOOTH TALKING RELIGIOUS PROFESSIONALS. The Lord Jesus will unmask this fully, but only a fool would continue to support this corrupt ministry.

]]> By: Richard Willmer https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/02/some-questions-for-francis-chan-k-p-yohannan-gospel-for-asia-about-believers-church-and-ring-kissing/#comment-103257 Sat, 10 Aug 2019 03:52:43 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=34901#comment-103257 In reply to David Rahrer.

Of course, comments on a blog alone are not sufficient to make sound assessments of a person’s honour.

I think the theology is calvinistic in some way. I took aim and fired at one of my Calvinist bugbears (Limited Atonement – a ghastly idea that IMO effectively implies that some human beings are ‘less than human’ … and we all know where that kind of thinking can lead) and he didn’t seem too pleased!

Yes, the avatar! I was wondering about that …

]]> By: David Rahrer https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/02/some-questions-for-francis-chan-k-p-yohannan-gospel-for-asia-about-believers-church-and-ring-kissing/#comment-103249 Fri, 09 Aug 2019 18:56:52 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=34901#comment-103249 In reply to Richard Willmer.

I’m not sure his comments here are enough for me to determine if he is honorable or not, but his theology definitely seems a bit strange, I’ll grant you that. One thing is for sure, his avatar is poorly chosen!

]]> By: Richard Willmer https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/02/some-questions-for-francis-chan-k-p-yohannan-gospel-for-asia-about-believers-church-and-ring-kissing/#comment-103247 Fri, 09 Aug 2019 17:08:22 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=34901#comment-103247 In reply to David Rahrer.

I didn’t realize he blocked people. Pity – he should just hold his own positions and agree or disagree with others as he sees fit.

His theology is IMHO somewhat suspect (to put it mildly), but, from what I can see, I think he is an honourable guy.

]]> By: David Rahrer https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/02/some-questions-for-francis-chan-k-p-yohannan-gospel-for-asia-about-believers-church-and-ring-kissing/#comment-103245 Fri, 09 Aug 2019 15:23:38 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=34901#comment-103245 In reply to Richard Willmer.

Well rest assured, Mr J will never see it since I’m pretty sure he still has me, along with others, blocked. He doesn’t take criticism well.

]]> By: Richard Willmer https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/02/some-questions-for-francis-chan-k-p-yohannan-gospel-for-asia-about-believers-church-and-ring-kissing/#comment-103230 Fri, 09 Aug 2019 05:53:30 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=34901#comment-103230 In reply to David Rahrer.

Something important that Mr J and I have in common is that we both detest using religion to make money. I respect his (sometimes harshly expressed) principled stance on that one.

Just on Francis: I think quite a lot of people find him ‘unsettling’. He is a difficult guy to ‘pigeonhole’. I remember saying to a priest friend of mine how much I liked the then-newish Pope. The expression on his face said it all! He (my friend) seemed threatened in a way by his new boss! But I think it is good that Francis is making people think and, if they have the courage to do so, reassess things that they thought were ‘all sewn up’ … Shouldn’t we always be prepared to ‘reassess’? Isn’t that a prerequisite of (intellectual, moral or spiritual) growth? Well, I think so!

]]> By: Mr Jesperson https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/02/some-questions-for-francis-chan-k-p-yohannan-gospel-for-asia-about-believers-church-and-ring-kissing/#comment-103215 Thu, 08 Aug 2019 11:38:26 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=34901#comment-103215 In reply to MG.

I want to thank Dee from Wartburg Watch for pointing out this story: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/04/22/sex-abuse-catholic-church-why-more-americans-leaving/3507437002/
Corruption inside any religious institution is horrible. The RC has had more time and more temporal power than any other institution so no surprise that it is so very corrupt from the top down.

]]> By: Richard Willmer https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/02/some-questions-for-francis-chan-k-p-yohannan-gospel-for-asia-about-believers-church-and-ring-kissing/#comment-103151 Mon, 05 Aug 2019 22:23:27 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=34901#comment-103151 In reply to David Rahrer.

It might have something to do with the fact that it was I who posted about Francis. Mr J and I have have ‘crossed swords’ once or twice (hardly surprising, given that I am a lovey-dovey-liberalish-catholicish-anglican Christian, whereas Mr J most certainly is not that sort of Christian!!!).

My knowledge of Catholic ritual, as practised by Jesuits and others, leads me to believe that Francis has been kissing feet – when appropriate, of course! – for decades, and long before any cameras were around.

Incidentally, in 2017, Francis presided at the Holy Thursday Mass of Lord’s Supper in a maximum security prison for ‘reformed’ mafiosi. I believe that no cameras were allowed in.

]]> By: JKR https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/02/some-questions-for-francis-chan-k-p-yohannan-gospel-for-asia-about-believers-church-and-ring-kissing/#comment-103152 Mon, 05 Aug 2019 19:13:58 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=34901#comment-103152 I just can’t understand how Francis can talk about this being a “distraction.” Was it not worth the time and energy to look into the claims of the lawsuit? I am heartbroken and shocked at Francis position.

]]> By: Richard Willmer https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/02/some-questions-for-francis-chan-k-p-yohannan-gospel-for-asia-about-believers-church-and-ring-kissing/#comment-103149 Mon, 05 Aug 2019 02:34:38 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=34901#comment-103149 In reply to Mr Jesperson.

Human beings are not intrinsically evil (cf. Gen 1 : 31), though ‘fallen’.

Pope Francis did not seek to become the Pope. He was chosen by others (and, Roman Catholics believe, by God). What we see of his material modesty now is consistent with what others observed about him before he came ‘on camera’. You are free to dismiss him as “evil”, of course, if that is what ‘floats your boat’, but I just wonder if your judgement in this case is fuelled by prejudice, maybe even a little ‘brainwashing’.

BTW, I can now see why you reacted so strongly to my (somewhat unflattering) assessment of the (idiotic and revolting) dogma of Limited Atonement!

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