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	Comments on: John Fea Watched Jim Bakker and David Barton So You Don&#8217;t Have To; About That Founders Bible	</title>
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		By: OrthoAnabaptist		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/07/12/john-fea-watched-jim-bakker-and-david-barton-so-you-dont-have-to-about-that-founders-bible/#comment-103150</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/07/12/john-fea-watched-jim-bakker-and-david-barton-so-you-dont-have-to-about-that-founders-bible/#comment-103094&quot;&gt;seashell&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, I think that&#039;s what is probably going on. It&#039;s a bit like a ponzi scheme... I hope they never come back but that probably means they&#039;ll get to move on to the next group of gullibles... maybe we should have them back regularly, but line up a group of people to ask them questions or hound them a little like reporters, to expose the con... but that might not go well either. I very much doubt this &quot;teacher&quot; or his team would be very open to hard questions. I assume they&#039;d probably get pretty angry and defensive and probably put on a victim schtick...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/07/12/john-fea-watched-jim-bakker-and-david-barton-so-you-dont-have-to-about-that-founders-bible/#comment-103094">seashell</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, I think that&#8217;s what is probably going on. It&#8217;s a bit like a ponzi scheme&#8230; I hope they never come back but that probably means they&#8217;ll get to move on to the next group of gullibles&#8230; maybe we should have them back regularly, but line up a group of people to ask them questions or hound them a little like reporters, to expose the con&#8230; but that might not go well either. I very much doubt this &#8220;teacher&#8221; or his team would be very open to hard questions. I assume they&#8217;d probably get pretty angry and defensive and probably put on a victim schtick&#8230;</p>
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		By: seashell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seashell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Aug 2019 17:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/07/12/john-fea-watched-jim-bakker-and-david-barton-so-you-dont-have-to-about-that-founders-bible/#comment-103090&quot;&gt;OrthoAnabaptist&lt;/a&gt;.

So it sounds like every other scam - promise the miracle, pray for the miracle, then either 1. promise the miracle is just days away, or 2. blame the victim for not accepting the miracle, and then disappear to the next place on the list. 

Is that close?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/07/12/john-fea-watched-jim-bakker-and-david-barton-so-you-dont-have-to-about-that-founders-bible/#comment-103090">OrthoAnabaptist</a>.</p>
<p>So it sounds like every other scam &#8211; promise the miracle, pray for the miracle, then either 1. promise the miracle is just days away, or 2. blame the victim for not accepting the miracle, and then disappear to the next place on the list. </p>
<p>Is that close?</p>
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		By: OrthoAnabaptist		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/07/12/john-fea-watched-jim-bakker-and-david-barton-so-you-dont-have-to-about-that-founders-bible/#comment-103090</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OrthoAnabaptist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Aug 2019 11:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/07/12/john-fea-watched-jim-bakker-and-david-barton-so-you-dont-have-to-about-that-founders-bible/#comment-102743&quot;&gt;seashell&lt;/a&gt;.

A &quot;team&quot; and their leader from one of these &quot;schools&quot; lead our winter bible school... the last night they ran a prayer tunnel... and most of us obediently went through it (I did not - I prefer not to have quasi witchdoctors pray over me and impart who knows what spirit upon me) At any rate, a women in our church who has some kind of deformed ankle or degenerative ankle/foot condition went through and they were praying hard lol, some groveling on the ground caressing the leg, etc trying for all their worth to heal this thing. (their leader had boasted previous nights about the many times he had prayed legs to grow!..yes that parlor trick) Guess what, she has the exact same foot and physical issue she had 4mo ago but this kook team is long gone of course, &quot;graduated&quot; and their quasi-witch doctor teacher is recruiting the next batch (I follow the school on FB) I strongly suspect the whole thing is intentionally or even unintentionally mostly a fraud, for the leader/teacher&#039;s financial gain/subsistence Makes me sick and angry.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/07/12/john-fea-watched-jim-bakker-and-david-barton-so-you-dont-have-to-about-that-founders-bible/#comment-102743">seashell</a>.</p>
<p>A &#8220;team&#8221; and their leader from one of these &#8220;schools&#8221; lead our winter bible school&#8230; the last night they ran a prayer tunnel&#8230; and most of us obediently went through it (I did not &#8211; I prefer not to have quasi witchdoctors pray over me and impart who knows what spirit upon me) At any rate, a women in our church who has some kind of deformed ankle or degenerative ankle/foot condition went through and they were praying hard lol, some groveling on the ground caressing the leg, etc trying for all their worth to heal this thing. (their leader had boasted previous nights about the many times he had prayed legs to grow!..yes that parlor trick) Guess what, she has the exact same foot and physical issue she had 4mo ago but this kook team is long gone of course, &#8220;graduated&#8221; and their quasi-witch doctor teacher is recruiting the next batch (I follow the school on FB) I strongly suspect the whole thing is intentionally or even unintentionally mostly a fraud, for the leader/teacher&#8217;s financial gain/subsistence Makes me sick and angry.</p>
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		By: seashell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seashell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2019 14:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/07/12/john-fea-watched-jim-bakker-and-david-barton-so-you-dont-have-to-about-that-founders-bible/#comment-102740&quot;&gt;OrthoAnabaptist&lt;/a&gt;.

Is it ok to ask what you personally witnessed (or didn’t witness, as the case may be :-)?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/07/12/john-fea-watched-jim-bakker-and-david-barton-so-you-dont-have-to-about-that-founders-bible/#comment-102740">OrthoAnabaptist</a>.</p>
<p>Is it ok to ask what you personally witnessed (or didn’t witness, as the case may be :-)?</p>
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		By: OrthoAnabaptist		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/07/12/john-fea-watched-jim-bakker-and-david-barton-so-you-dont-have-to-about-that-founders-bible/#comment-102740</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OrthoAnabaptist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jul 2019 12:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/07/12/john-fea-watched-jim-bakker-and-david-barton-so-you-dont-have-to-about-that-founders-bible/#comment-102733&quot;&gt;David Rahrer&lt;/a&gt;.

Lot&#039;s of independent network christianity aka 3rd wave charismatic churches are trying... Look up Bethel, Redding, School of Supernatural Ministry and/or the many, many clones of the same; &quot;schools&quot; proliferating everywhere (including my backyard...) Of course you have to pay to go and so, said churches/administrators of the &quot;schools&quot; are making a living (sometimes handsomely) off a lot of gullible young people who come out thinking they&#039;re God&#039;s elite force (they really do think they have more of the Holy Spirit than anyone else) ... and they wander into our churches as incantation mumbling, brainwashed loons who think they can heal anything and everybody and show off their special &quot;powers&quot; at will - (except of course they can&#039;t as I personally witnessed).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/07/12/john-fea-watched-jim-bakker-and-david-barton-so-you-dont-have-to-about-that-founders-bible/#comment-102733">David Rahrer</a>.</p>
<p>Lot&#8217;s of independent network christianity aka 3rd wave charismatic churches are trying&#8230; Look up Bethel, Redding, School of Supernatural Ministry and/or the many, many clones of the same; &#8220;schools&#8221; proliferating everywhere (including my backyard&#8230;) Of course you have to pay to go and so, said churches/administrators of the &#8220;schools&#8221; are making a living (sometimes handsomely) off a lot of gullible young people who come out thinking they&#8217;re God&#8217;s elite force (they really do think they have more of the Holy Spirit than anyone else) &#8230; and they wander into our churches as incantation mumbling, brainwashed loons who think they can heal anything and everybody and show off their special &#8220;powers&#8221; at will &#8211; (except of course they can&#8217;t as I personally witnessed).</p>
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