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	Comments on: What Does the American Association of Christian Counselors Foundation Do?	</title>
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		By: Dr. Jamin Hübner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dr. Jamin Hübner]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wowsers. Talk about professionals being played.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wowsers. Talk about professionals being played.</p>
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		By: A.Stacy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A.Stacy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You got love those 990&#039;s...

Dang I wish... You know what I wish.

#BringOnThe990]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You got love those 990&#8217;s&#8230;</p>
<p>Dang I wish&#8230; You know what I wish.</p>
<p>#BringOnThe990</p>
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		By: David Rahrer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Rahrer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2018 22:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/09/24/what-does-the-american-association-of-christian-counselors-foundation-do/#comment-98156&quot;&gt;Warren Throckmorton&lt;/a&gt;.

Your experience illustrates the key problems with a private, for-profit organization trying to play that role. I guess the follow-up question would be, what organization, if any, is the legitimate or at least functional version of what the AACC seemed at first to be to you and others? There are many places where a profit motive is entirely inappropriate and counter-productive. This seems to be one of them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/09/24/what-does-the-american-association-of-christian-counselors-foundation-do/#comment-98156">Warren Throckmorton</a>.</p>
<p>Your experience illustrates the key problems with a private, for-profit organization trying to play that role. I guess the follow-up question would be, what organization, if any, is the legitimate or at least functional version of what the AACC seemed at first to be to you and others? There are many places where a profit motive is entirely inappropriate and counter-productive. This seems to be one of them.</p>
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		By: Warren Throckmorton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren Throckmorton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2018 21:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/09/24/what-does-the-american-association-of-christian-counselors-foundation-do/#comment-98152&quot;&gt;David Rahrer&lt;/a&gt;.

I joined to meet others doing the same thing. I also wanted to hear established people and get continuing education credits. I also presented programs at conferences which was a resume builder and a way to test ideas and promote my work. AACC simulates a professional association but there isn&#039;t accountability or meaningful participation in governance. The priorities are those which make money for Tim Clinton. When I realized this and started to see the effects of this, I pulled back. My last effort was the submission of a program proposal which would have presented the damage done by reparative therapy. I submitted it according to the guidelines but I never received a acknowledgment or a reply or a rejection from AACC. Clearly, AACC didn&#039;t like it but even as a member I had no recourse. In any other organization, I would have been able to appeal.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/09/24/what-does-the-american-association-of-christian-counselors-foundation-do/#comment-98152">David Rahrer</a>.</p>
<p>I joined to meet others doing the same thing. I also wanted to hear established people and get continuing education credits. I also presented programs at conferences which was a resume builder and a way to test ideas and promote my work. AACC simulates a professional association but there isn&#8217;t accountability or meaningful participation in governance. The priorities are those which make money for Tim Clinton. When I realized this and started to see the effects of this, I pulled back. My last effort was the submission of a program proposal which would have presented the damage done by reparative therapy. I submitted it according to the guidelines but I never received a acknowledgment or a reply or a rejection from AACC. Clearly, AACC didn&#8217;t like it but even as a member I had no recourse. In any other organization, I would have been able to appeal.</p>
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		By: Lynn Betts		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynn Betts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2018 19:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Over the past 15 years, $14.8-million was paid by AACC Foundation to Clinton’s for-profit businesses.&quot;

So, he&#039;s been taking in almost a million a year, on top of whatever the for-profit brings in. Covers the cost of those trips to DC, I expect. But...I can&#039;t help but wonder how he spent the money before Trump started inviting him to DC? I suppose there are always &quot;needs.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Over the past 15 years, $14.8-million was paid by AACC Foundation to Clinton’s for-profit businesses.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, he&#8217;s been taking in almost a million a year, on top of whatever the for-profit brings in. Covers the cost of those trips to DC, I expect. But&#8230;I can&#8217;t help but wonder how he spent the money before Trump started inviting him to DC? I suppose there are always &#8220;needs.&#8221;</p>
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		By: WhatUP, PhD		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WhatUP, PhD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2018 19:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[***I was never told I was removed from it. It didn’t matter because we never did anything; it was just for show.***  

Poor buddy, here&#039;s a sympathy &quot;^&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***I was never told I was removed from it. It didn’t matter because we never did anything; it was just for show.***  </p>
<p>Poor buddy, here&#8217;s a sympathy &#8220;^&#8221;</p>
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		By: David Rahrer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Rahrer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2018 19:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I first heard about the AACC when I noticed that a self-styled &quot;evangelist&quot; I know of had a statement on his website claiming to be affiliated with them. He worded it in such a way as to claim some sort of credentialing, while all it took was a fee to be a member. This was not unusual for him - he purchased the degrees he even bothers to try to document from a diploma mill (not even honorary, just purchased). He has referred to himself as &quot;Dr&quot; on more than one occasion. On others he calls himself &quot;Bishop&quot; (again, with no legitimate foundation). I wish this was not as common as it is in those circles.

I tried bring this to the attention of the AACC at the time, but really got nowhere. I have no way of knowing if they were intentionally turning a blind eye to this practice, knowing the false benefit it implied, or if it was all the evangelist&#039;s particular form of fraud. I do know they did nothing in that instance but tell me a membership was $50 IIRC - this was long ago, perhaps the mid-2000s. What bothered me is that the evangelist in question was using this association as part of his bonafides to support counseling activity, implying some sort of clinical training.

I&#039;m curious as to what exactly the benefit is supposed to be to members. Obviously there is a substantial financial benefit to Clinton and his associates (family), but what would a genuine professional get from this? For what reason did you join, Warren? I&#039;m sure there is some benefit they claim or provide (or did provide at one time?), but it seems credibility is lacking and that would pretty much wash any legitimate benefit as I see it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I first heard about the AACC when I noticed that a self-styled &#8220;evangelist&#8221; I know of had a statement on his website claiming to be affiliated with them. He worded it in such a way as to claim some sort of credentialing, while all it took was a fee to be a member. This was not unusual for him &#8211; he purchased the degrees he even bothers to try to document from a diploma mill (not even honorary, just purchased). He has referred to himself as &#8220;Dr&#8221; on more than one occasion. On others he calls himself &#8220;Bishop&#8221; (again, with no legitimate foundation). I wish this was not as common as it is in those circles.</p>
<p>I tried bring this to the attention of the AACC at the time, but really got nowhere. I have no way of knowing if they were intentionally turning a blind eye to this practice, knowing the false benefit it implied, or if it was all the evangelist&#8217;s particular form of fraud. I do know they did nothing in that instance but tell me a membership was $50 IIRC &#8211; this was long ago, perhaps the mid-2000s. What bothered me is that the evangelist in question was using this association as part of his bonafides to support counseling activity, implying some sort of clinical training.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious as to what exactly the benefit is supposed to be to members. Obviously there is a substantial financial benefit to Clinton and his associates (family), but what would a genuine professional get from this? For what reason did you join, Warren? I&#8217;m sure there is some benefit they claim or provide (or did provide at one time?), but it seems credibility is lacking and that would pretty much wash any legitimate benefit as I see it.</p>
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