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	Comments on: Scott Lively and the American Evangelical Attraction to Russia	</title>
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		By: sam80		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/24/scott-lively-and-the-american-evangelical-attraction-to-russia/#comment-99841&quot;&gt;Richard Willmer&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with you that Lively wanted to demonize LGBT people and all seeking equal rights for gays (I think I&#039;ve said it like 5 times already) but I can&#039;t say the same about Vought.  In the context of what he said and done demonstrated that although he was defending the theological position of his school, he also wanted to treat all people outside of his church with love, kindness, and compassion.  Yet, Sanders and his kind mischaracterized Vought&#039;s actions in order to further their secularist agenda.  I really wanted to use Vought as an example to show why evangelicals are so eager to vote for Trump: because they are so scared of Sanders who they believe will attack them for their faith.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/24/scott-lively-and-the-american-evangelical-attraction-to-russia/#comment-99841">Richard Willmer</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with you that Lively wanted to demonize LGBT people and all seeking equal rights for gays (I think I&#8217;ve said it like 5 times already) but I can&#8217;t say the same about Vought.  In the context of what he said and done demonstrated that although he was defending the theological position of his school, he also wanted to treat all people outside of his church with love, kindness, and compassion.  Yet, Sanders and his kind mischaracterized Vought&#8217;s actions in order to further their secularist agenda.  I really wanted to use Vought as an example to show why evangelicals are so eager to vote for Trump: because they are so scared of Sanders who they believe will attack them for their faith.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2019 08:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/24/scott-lively-and-the-american-evangelical-attraction-to-russia/#comment-99839&quot;&gt;sam80&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;It&#039;s quite different to Vought because he was applying for a public service job, not a private one like Hawkins ...&quot;


Legally, yes.  But morally?


Might not the statement &quot;All [fill the gap] are condemned before God&quot; been understood by some as &#039;demonizing&#039;?  And just look at some of the stuff put out by Lively against LGBT people, including making &#039;Nazi&#039; claims about them, but very far from limited to just that.  Most certainly demonizing!  Take a look yourself and see what you think ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/24/scott-lively-and-the-american-evangelical-attraction-to-russia/#comment-99839">sam80</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s quite different to Vought because he was applying for a public service job, not a private one like Hawkins &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Legally, yes.  But morally?</p>
<p>Might not the statement &#8220;All [fill the gap] are condemned before God&#8221; been understood by some as &#8216;demonizing&#8217;?  And just look at some of the stuff put out by Lively against LGBT people, including making &#8216;Nazi&#8217; claims about them, but very far from limited to just that.  Most certainly demonizing!  Take a look yourself and see what you think &#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2019 06:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/24/scott-lively-and-the-american-evangelical-attraction-to-russia/#comment-99837&quot;&gt;Richard Willmer&lt;/a&gt;.

Like I said before, I find Lively&#039;s methods to be unproductive in terms of reaching people who practice sexual sins but I agree with him that there is a dangerous Radical Left movement that wants to oppress Bible-based Christians, especially over the rejection of homosexual lifestyle.  Senator Sanders is patronizing this Radical Left movement and so does Hillary Clinton.  For this reason, many evangelical Christians decided to vote for Trump, not because they personally liked him but because they were so scared of Sanders and Clinton, who tried to become presidents themselves.  I also believe that Hawkins lost her job not because of her race, but because she embraced a wishy-washy theology at a private religious school, whose theology she signed to agree with.  But you see, Radical Leftists like Sanders would consider my statements as both Islamophobic and racist and would do everything to screw me.  They like to demonize anybody who disagrees with their secularist agenda, and they would want all religious colleges to teach against their will that supposedly &quot;all religions are good and worship the same God.&quot;  It&#039;s quite different to Vought because he was applying for a public service job, not a private one like Hawkins, and I&#039;m glad to hear that he got it.  Despite Sanders&#039; bigotry, majority of our Senators are reasonable people who honor our constitution therefore they approved his nomination, and our Vice President Mike Pence and President Donald Trump agreed with them.  Hence, it gives another reason for evangelicals to vote for Trump again.  In their eyes, voting for Trump is about prevention of discrimination in public employment due to them being Bible-based Christians.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/24/scott-lively-and-the-american-evangelical-attraction-to-russia/#comment-99837">Richard Willmer</a>.</p>
<p>Like I said before, I find Lively&#8217;s methods to be unproductive in terms of reaching people who practice sexual sins but I agree with him that there is a dangerous Radical Left movement that wants to oppress Bible-based Christians, especially over the rejection of homosexual lifestyle.  Senator Sanders is patronizing this Radical Left movement and so does Hillary Clinton.  For this reason, many evangelical Christians decided to vote for Trump, not because they personally liked him but because they were so scared of Sanders and Clinton, who tried to become presidents themselves.  I also believe that Hawkins lost her job not because of her race, but because she embraced a wishy-washy theology at a private religious school, whose theology she signed to agree with.  But you see, Radical Leftists like Sanders would consider my statements as both Islamophobic and racist and would do everything to screw me.  They like to demonize anybody who disagrees with their secularist agenda, and they would want all religious colleges to teach against their will that supposedly &#8220;all religions are good and worship the same God.&#8221;  It&#8217;s quite different to Vought because he was applying for a public service job, not a private one like Hawkins, and I&#8217;m glad to hear that he got it.  Despite Sanders&#8217; bigotry, majority of our Senators are reasonable people who honor our constitution therefore they approved his nomination, and our Vice President Mike Pence and President Donald Trump agreed with them.  Hence, it gives another reason for evangelicals to vote for Trump again.  In their eyes, voting for Trump is about prevention of discrimination in public employment due to them being Bible-based Christians.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2019 05:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/24/scott-lively-and-the-american-evangelical-attraction-to-russia/#comment-99836&quot;&gt;sam80&lt;/a&gt;.

I did not blame Lively for the whole situation in Uganda, but to suggest that all he did was &quot;[contribute] to the emotional harm of others&quot; is pretty wide of the mark, to put it mildly.  He contributed to material suffering, and did so deliberately.
  
Don Schmierer and Caleb Lee Brundidge went with him on that infamous trip; the former is deeply remorseful about getting tangled up with Lively in Uganda, and the letter has gone very quiet on LGBT matters ...  They know the score!


Vought (a white male) got his job (senators voted on party lines, as expected); Hawkins (an african-american female) lost hers.  Many Ugandans have had to leave their homes.  It&#039;s pretty clear who has done okay and who have not!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/24/scott-lively-and-the-american-evangelical-attraction-to-russia/#comment-99836">sam80</a>.</p>
<p>I did not blame Lively for the whole situation in Uganda, but to suggest that all he did was &#8220;[contribute] to the emotional harm of others&#8221; is pretty wide of the mark, to put it mildly.  He contributed to material suffering, and did so deliberately.</p>
<p>Don Schmierer and Caleb Lee Brundidge went with him on that infamous trip; the former is deeply remorseful about getting tangled up with Lively in Uganda, and the letter has gone very quiet on LGBT matters &#8230;  They know the score!</p>
<p>Vought (a white male) got his job (senators voted on party lines, as expected); Hawkins (an african-american female) lost hers.  Many Ugandans have had to leave their homes.  It&#8217;s pretty clear who has done okay and who have not!</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2019 04:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/24/scott-lively-and-the-american-evangelical-attraction-to-russia/#comment-99834&quot;&gt;Richard Willmer&lt;/a&gt;.

I think it would be too simplistic to blame everything on Lively for the creation of refugees in Uganda.  This country has many problems that existed way before Lively has arrived there such as failing economy, poverty, corruption in their government, Idi Amin and his legacy, cultural taboos, etc.  That is not to say that Lively&#039;s activities contributed to the problems over there, but if you look at it as whole, it&#039;s a lot more complicated than that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2018/07/24/scott-lively-and-the-american-evangelical-attraction-to-russia/#comment-99834">Richard Willmer</a>.</p>
<p>I think it would be too simplistic to blame everything on Lively for the creation of refugees in Uganda.  This country has many problems that existed way before Lively has arrived there such as failing economy, poverty, corruption in their government, Idi Amin and his legacy, cultural taboos, etc.  That is not to say that Lively&#8217;s activities contributed to the problems over there, but if you look at it as whole, it&#8217;s a lot more complicated than that.</p>
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