I agree with you that Lively wanted to demonize LGBT people and all seeking equal rights for gays (I think I’ve said it like 5 times already) but I can’t say the same about Vought. In the context of what he said and done demonstrated that although he was defending the theological position of his school, he also wanted to treat all people outside of his church with love, kindness, and compassion. Yet, Sanders and his kind mischaracterized Vought’s actions in order to further their secularist agenda. I really wanted to use Vought as an example to show why evangelicals are so eager to vote for Trump: because they are so scared of Sanders who they believe will attack them for their faith.

“It’s quite different to Vought because he was applying for a public service job, not a private one like Hawkins …”

Legally, yes. But morally?

Might not the statement “All [fill the gap] are condemned before God” been understood by some as ‘demonizing’? And just look at some of the stuff put out by Lively against LGBT people, including making ‘Nazi’ claims about them, but very far from limited to just that. Most certainly demonizing! Take a look yourself and see what you think …

Like I said before, I find Lively’s methods to be unproductive in terms of reaching people who practice sexual sins but I agree with him that there is a dangerous Radical Left movement that wants to oppress Bible-based Christians, especially over the rejection of homosexual lifestyle. Senator Sanders is patronizing this Radical Left movement and so does Hillary Clinton. For this reason, many evangelical Christians decided to vote for Trump, not because they personally liked him but because they were so scared of Sanders and Clinton, who tried to become presidents themselves. I also believe that Hawkins lost her job not because of her race, but because she embraced a wishy-washy theology at a private religious school, whose theology she signed to agree with. But you see, Radical Leftists like Sanders would consider my statements as both Islamophobic and racist and would do everything to screw me. They like to demonize anybody who disagrees with their secularist agenda, and they would want all religious colleges to teach against their will that supposedly “all religions are good and worship the same God.” It’s quite different to Vought because he was applying for a public service job, not a private one like Hawkins, and I’m glad to hear that he got it. Despite Sanders’ bigotry, majority of our Senators are reasonable people who honor our constitution therefore they approved his nomination, and our Vice President Mike Pence and President Donald Trump agreed with them. Hence, it gives another reason for evangelicals to vote for Trump again. In their eyes, voting for Trump is about prevention of discrimination in public employment due to them being Bible-based Christians.

I did not blame Lively for the whole situation in Uganda, but to suggest that all he did was “[contribute] to the emotional harm of others” is pretty wide of the mark, to put it mildly. He contributed to material suffering, and did so deliberately.

Don Schmierer and Caleb Lee Brundidge went with him on that infamous trip; the former is deeply remorseful about getting tangled up with Lively in Uganda, and the letter has gone very quiet on LGBT matters … They know the score!

Vought (a white male) got his job (senators voted on party lines, as expected); Hawkins (an african-american female) lost hers. Many Ugandans have had to leave their homes. It’s pretty clear who has done okay and who have not!

I think it would be too simplistic to blame everything on Lively for the creation of refugees in Uganda. This country has many problems that existed way before Lively has arrived there such as failing economy, poverty, corruption in their government, Idi Amin and his legacy, cultural taboos, etc. That is not to say that Lively’s activities contributed to the problems over there, but if you look at it as whole, it’s a lot more complicated than that.

I think you need to take a much closer look at the consequences of Lively’s actions. Maybe you need to speak to refugees or something like that?

We should expect persecutions for being Christians and being light in the world/salt of the earth in the abstract, but I find it shameful for such persecutions to happen in the West, especially in the US, a country that models itself as a bastion for religious freedom and liberty.

So far, the only evidence I’ve seen that Lively’s actions have contributed to the emotional harm of others, in order words, there are a lot of people who can’t handle hearing what he preaches and there are a lot of people who probably can’t handle emotionally what I, Dr. T, or even you preach. So, is it reasonable to compare anybody whose preaching hurts somebody’s feelings to the evils of Hitler?

I also noticed that there is a striking similarity to the ideas of the Radical Left with Communism. It should be noted that my family is from a former Communist country.

And I’m not convinced that Sanders’s treatment of Vought was persecution anymore than Vought’s approach towards the Hawkins situation.

Evangelicals in the West have no idea of what real persecution is; and, indeed, neither do I. This maybe a little worrying for both of us, since the Lord told us to expect persecution if we are following him!

But Lively’s actions have contributed to the harming of others. That is very clear, I think.

I demonstrated an example what these organizations and other Radical Left organizations do that amounts to persecution of Bible-based Christians. In other words, the Left is feeling extremely uncomfortable whenever they hear messages from the Bible, not only regarding homosexual lifestyle but also regarding salvation, and they use different intimidating methods to silence us. Part of a Christian faith is to share your beliefs so if the Left is punishing Bible-based Christians for their actions of not being silent about their beliefs, under the false premise that such behavior might negatively impact on others, then the Left hates Bible-based Christians for who they are.