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		By: Donald		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 23:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/28/does-the-church-have-a-league-of-the-south-problem/#comment-94985&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m not exactly sure what your question means but, the Gov&#039;t selects WHICH groups get help.  For example, my ancestors (being from the South) were subjected to a terrible Federal Gov&#039;t war that culminated in an attack on civilian populations, and the looting and burning of substantial property.
My parents grew up in dirt poverty during the Great Depression, had no indoor plumbing, and my mother and uncle were the only two that survived adulthood out of a family of 6 kids - the others died of disease.There&#039;s no Gov&#039;t set asides for people like me, nor do I ask for any.  Through education, hard work,  a strong family structure, and the Grace of God, I was able to become a successful engineer and recently put four of my kids through college as well; even Though Grove City turned my oldest daughter down - I had to put that in :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/28/does-the-church-have-a-league-of-the-south-problem/#comment-94985">ken</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not exactly sure what your question means but, the Gov&#8217;t selects WHICH groups get help.  For example, my ancestors (being from the South) were subjected to a terrible Federal Gov&#8217;t war that culminated in an attack on civilian populations, and the looting and burning of substantial property.<br />
My parents grew up in dirt poverty during the Great Depression, had no indoor plumbing, and my mother and uncle were the only two that survived adulthood out of a family of 6 kids &#8211; the others died of disease.There&#8217;s no Gov&#8217;t set asides for people like me, nor do I ask for any.  Through education, hard work,  a strong family structure, and the Grace of God, I was able to become a successful engineer and recently put four of my kids through college as well; even Though Grove City turned my oldest daughter down &#8211; I had to put that in 🙂</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 22:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/28/does-the-church-have-a-league-of-the-south-problem/#comment-92882&quot;&gt;Donald&lt;/a&gt;.

And did the governmnet ever have laws that actually did make victims of those groups?  (i.e. laws that specifically disadvantaged those groups in the past)?]]></description>
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<p>And did the governmnet ever have laws that actually did make victims of those groups?  (i.e. laws that specifically disadvantaged those groups in the past)?</p>
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		By: Tom Van Dyke		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/28/does-the-church-have-a-league-of-the-south-problem/#comment-89489&quot;&gt;Warren&lt;/a&gt;.

Of course this is a game.  There is no harm contemplated to black people by Hunter or Rand Paul or anyone else.  Even if there was, it&#039;s illegal.  Let&#039;s be real.
Hell, Bill Clinton himself got gamed.  Republicans have no chance.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/magazine/31clinton-t.html?pagewanted=all&#038;_r=0
&lt;blockquote&gt;And the man once called the &quot;first black president&quot; remains deeply wounded by allegations that he made racially insensitive remarks during the campaign, like dismissing Obama&#039;s South Carolina win by comparing it with Jesse Jackson&#039;s victories there in the 1980s.
&quot;None of them ever really took seriously the race rap,&quot; he told me. &quot;They knew it was politics. I had one minister in Texas in the general election come up and put his arm around me.&quot; This was an Obama supporter. &quot;And he came up, threw his arm around me and said, &#039;You&#039;ve got to forgive us for that race deal.&#039; He said, &#039;That was out of line.&#039; But he said, &#039;You know, we wanted to win real bad.&#039; And I said, &#039;I got no problem with that.&#039; I said it&#039;s fine; it&#039;s O.K. And we laughed about it and we went on.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;
I&#039;m sure Hillary thought it was real funny.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/28/does-the-church-have-a-league-of-the-south-problem/#comment-89489">Warren</a>.</p>
<p>Of course this is a game.  There is no harm contemplated to black people by Hunter or Rand Paul or anyone else.  Even if there was, it&#8217;s illegal.  Let&#8217;s be real.<br />
Hell, Bill Clinton himself got gamed.  Republicans have no chance.<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/magazine/31clinton-t.html?pagewanted=all&#038;_r=0" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/magazine/31clinton-t.html?pagewanted=all&#038;_r=0</a></p>
<blockquote><p>And the man once called the &#8220;first black president&#8221; remains deeply wounded by allegations that he made racially insensitive remarks during the campaign, like dismissing Obama&#8217;s South Carolina win by comparing it with Jesse Jackson&#8217;s victories there in the 1980s.<br />
&#8220;None of them ever really took seriously the race rap,&#8221; he told me. &#8220;They knew it was politics. I had one minister in Texas in the general election come up and put his arm around me.&#8221; This was an Obama supporter. &#8220;And he came up, threw his arm around me and said, &#8216;You&#8217;ve got to forgive us for that race deal.&#8217; He said, &#8216;That was out of line.&#8217; But he said, &#8216;You know, we wanted to win real bad.&#8217; And I said, &#8216;I got no problem with that.&#8217; I said it&#8217;s fine; it&#8217;s O.K. And we laughed about it and we went on.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sure Hillary thought it was real funny.</p>
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		By: Donald		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/28/does-the-church-have-a-league-of-the-south-problem/#comment-83648&quot;&gt;Warren&lt;/a&gt;.

re: What is a &quot;government-sponsored victim group?&quot;
Seriously, you&#039;re a college professor and you&#039;re asking that question?  The Gov&#039;t has grouped people (by law) into groups.  If you fall into one of those groups, there are &#039;set asides&#039; and Gov&#039;t regulations to help based on race, gender, etc.   If you seek help and don&#039;t fall into one of those &#039;victim groups&#039; you will likely not get help.  For example, if you are a &#039;white male&#039; and want to set up a small business, there are NO gov&#039;t set asides to help you, and if you want to compete for a Gov&#039;t contract, you start at an economic disadvantage.  This is why MANY small businesses run by men, put their wives on the company as CEO, so they can get special help in terms of loans and priority set asides.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/28/does-the-church-have-a-league-of-the-south-problem/#comment-83648">Warren</a>.</p>
<p>re: What is a &#8220;government-sponsored victim group?&#8221;<br />
Seriously, you&#8217;re a college professor and you&#8217;re asking that question?  The Gov&#8217;t has grouped people (by law) into groups.  If you fall into one of those groups, there are &#8216;set asides&#8217; and Gov&#8217;t regulations to help based on race, gender, etc.   If you seek help and don&#8217;t fall into one of those &#8216;victim groups&#8217; you will likely not get help.  For example, if you are a &#8216;white male&#8217; and want to set up a small business, there are NO gov&#8217;t set asides to help you, and if you want to compete for a Gov&#8217;t contract, you start at an economic disadvantage.  This is why MANY small businesses run by men, put their wives on the company as CEO, so they can get special help in terms of loans and priority set asides.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/28/does-the-church-have-a-league-of-the-south-problem/#comment-83647&quot;&gt;Byron Harvey&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t think Liberty U. is racist as an institution. What I am troubled by is that Liberty and NRB are hosting a board member of a neo-Confederate organization who has pledged the course to the aims of the League. I think there is a problem when the League can get this close to the evangelical mainstream.]]></description>
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<p>I don&#8217;t think Liberty U. is racist as an institution. What I am troubled by is that Liberty and NRB are hosting a board member of a neo-Confederate organization who has pledged the course to the aims of the League. I think there is a problem when the League can get this close to the evangelical mainstream.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/28/does-the-church-have-a-league-of-the-south-problem/#comment-83645&quot;&gt;Sharon&lt;/a&gt;.

Well said. For some, the culture not color meme is due to lack of research. For others, deception must be the goal because if you read anything by Michael Hill (LoS prez), you quickly see that it is culture AND color. For Hill, you can&#039;t have one without the other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/28/does-the-church-have-a-league-of-the-south-problem/#comment-83645">Sharon</a>.</p>
<p>Well said. For some, the culture not color meme is due to lack of research. For others, deception must be the goal because if you read anything by Michael Hill (LoS prez), you quickly see that it is culture AND color. For Hill, you can&#8217;t have one without the other.</p>
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		By: Donald		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/28/does-the-church-have-a-league-of-the-south-problem/#comment-83645&quot;&gt;Sharon&lt;/a&gt;.

Sharon,
You threw out a lot and I&#039;ll try and address it, though I do perceive an unwillingness on many here to even hear what other like myself have to say.
On economic issues, the LoS supports:
-Abolish[ing] all forms of the &quot;income tax&quot; on individuals and families.
-Abolished all taxes on real property, both during the life of its owner and at his death
-Levies indirect taxation (e.g. sales and use taxes, tolls, etc.) as a reasonable and necessary means for the support of government functions.
Sets reasonable legal limits on usury.
Establishes equitable and just trade agreements with foreign nations.
  That&#039;s a taste of where they stand.  But you are correct about one thing, &quot;Southern culture would include a fairly hierarchical ... setup&quot; - that is the crux of the entire system, and is very biblical.
If you had to go through a hurricane, would you rather be a survivor in New Orleans or Japan?  Did you notice there was NO looting after the Tsunami in Japan?  Because they have a high regard for morals and authority.  It doesn&#039;t have anything to do with their race, its their culture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/28/does-the-church-have-a-league-of-the-south-problem/#comment-83645">Sharon</a>.</p>
<p>Sharon,<br />
You threw out a lot and I&#8217;ll try and address it, though I do perceive an unwillingness on many here to even hear what other like myself have to say.<br />
On economic issues, the LoS supports:<br />
-Abolish[ing] all forms of the &#8220;income tax&#8221; on individuals and families.<br />
-Abolished all taxes on real property, both during the life of its owner and at his death<br />
-Levies indirect taxation (e.g. sales and use taxes, tolls, etc.) as a reasonable and necessary means for the support of government functions.<br />
Sets reasonable legal limits on usury.<br />
Establishes equitable and just trade agreements with foreign nations.<br />
  That&#8217;s a taste of where they stand.  But you are correct about one thing, &#8220;Southern culture would include a fairly hierarchical &#8230; setup&#8221; &#8211; that is the crux of the entire system, and is very biblical.<br />
If you had to go through a hurricane, would you rather be a survivor in New Orleans or Japan?  Did you notice there was NO looting after the Tsunami in Japan?  Because they have a high regard for morals and authority.  It doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with their race, its their culture.</p>
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		By: Donald		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/28/does-the-church-have-a-league-of-the-south-problem/#comment-84160&quot;&gt;wygrif&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;A culture which was based on systematic rape, theft, murder,&quot;
That&#039;s what you have in the inner cities today.]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;A culture which was based on systematic rape, theft, murder,&#8221;<br />
That&#8217;s what you have in the inner cities today.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
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I seriously doubt that a board member of the Nation of Islam would get a program on the NRB Network. To my African American friends, this is not a game.]]></description>
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<p>I seriously doubt that a board member of the Nation of Islam would get a program on the NRB Network. To my African American friends, this is not a game.</p>
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		By: Tom Van Dyke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Van Dyke]]></dc:creator>
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Warren, I think most thinking people see this as a juvenile but relatively harmless naivety, along the lines of Civil War re-enactors in reb uniforms.
This is a game, a gotcha.
And frankly and for the record, as an adult I don&#039;t think anything Confederate is cute--I was thrown off the Southern Appeal blog for calling for the end of flying the Confederate battle flag in public--out of respect for what it means to our fellow [black] Americans.  I&#039;ve paid my dues in this symbolism game.
But we tolerate the metaphysically racist Nation of Islam to some degree, and the same guilt-by-association game that&#039;s being played here puts racist Louis Farrakhan on the same stage as Barack Obama at the Million Man March.
You got Jack Hunter&#039;s scalp
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/23/what-rand-paul-aide-jack-hunter-and-his-resignation-say-about-his-boss.html
with this game, so congratulations.  But none of this is real.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/28/does-the-church-have-a-league-of-the-south-problem/#comment-82827">Warren</a>.</p>
<p>Warren, I think most thinking people see this as a juvenile but relatively harmless naivety, along the lines of Civil War re-enactors in reb uniforms.<br />
This is a game, a gotcha.<br />
And frankly and for the record, as an adult I don&#8217;t think anything Confederate is cute&#8211;I was thrown off the Southern Appeal blog for calling for the end of flying the Confederate battle flag in public&#8211;out of respect for what it means to our fellow [black] Americans.  I&#8217;ve paid my dues in this symbolism game.<br />
But we tolerate the metaphysically racist Nation of Islam to some degree, and the same guilt-by-association game that&#8217;s being played here puts racist Louis Farrakhan on the same stage as Barack Obama at the Million Man March.<br />
You got Jack Hunter&#8217;s scalp<br />
<a href="http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/23/what-rand-paul-aide-jack-hunter-and-his-resignation-say-about-his-boss.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/23/what-rand-paul-aide-jack-hunter-and-his-resignation-say-about-his-boss.html</a><br />
with this game, so congratulations.  But none of this is real.</p>
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