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	Comments on: David Barton: Christian Professors Were Trained By Pagan Professors Who Hate God	</title>
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		By: Boo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Boo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 22:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-91033&quot;&gt;Patrocles&lt;/a&gt;.

Because even as a Christian myself, I value truth or falsehood over us vs. them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-91033">Patrocles</a>.</p>
<p>Because even as a Christian myself, I value truth or falsehood over us vs. them.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 21:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-91016&quot;&gt;Warren&lt;/a&gt;.

I do not see an &#039;equivalence&#039; between Barton&#039;s rhetoric and that of, say, Jeremiah Wright.  Wright&#039;s rhetoric is a reflection of genuine historical (and present) grievances, and IMO understandable perceptions on the part of many of &#039;who runs things&#039; and &#039;for whose benefit&#039;.  I don&#039;t see how that same thing could be said of Barton&#039;s.
(I&#039;m not necessarily supporting what people like Wright say, by the way, but I do understand why they say it.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-91016">Warren</a>.</p>
<p>I do not see an &#8216;equivalence&#8217; between Barton&#8217;s rhetoric and that of, say, Jeremiah Wright.  Wright&#8217;s rhetoric is a reflection of genuine historical (and present) grievances, and IMO understandable perceptions on the part of many of &#8216;who runs things&#8217; and &#8216;for whose benefit&#8217;.  I don&#8217;t see how that same thing could be said of Barton&#8217;s.<br />
(I&#8217;m not necessarily supporting what people like Wright say, by the way, but I do understand why they say it.)</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 20:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-91033&quot;&gt;Patrocles&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, I resent it primarily because I believe this kind of behaviour brings Christianity into disrepute.  If Barton is a Christian, he should focus on being a minister of the Gospel, and not a peddler of narrow politics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-91033">Patrocles</a>.</p>
<p>Well, I resent it primarily because I believe this kind of behaviour brings Christianity into disrepute.  If Barton is a Christian, he should focus on being a minister of the Gospel, and not a peddler of narrow politics.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-78470&quot;&gt;Boo&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;He&#039;s playing to the tribe ...&quot;
Well put.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-78470">Boo</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;He&#8217;s playing to the tribe &#8230;&#8221;<br />
Well put.</p>
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		By: Patrocles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrocles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-78470&quot;&gt;Boo&lt;/a&gt;.

To which tribe is he playing? To the Christian tribe?
And you resent that?
Why?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-78470">Boo</a>.</p>
<p>To which tribe is he playing? To the Christian tribe?<br />
And you resent that?<br />
Why?</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-78436&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

that should have been &quot;he would not have to constantly&quot;...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-78436">ken</a>.</p>
<p>that should have been &#8220;he would not have to constantly&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-78457&quot;&gt;Tom Van Dyke&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, Tom if only it did.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-78457">Tom Van Dyke</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, Tom if only it did.</p>
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		By: Tom Van Dyke		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Van Dyke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-85012&quot;&gt;Mark Kreslins&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh, I&#039;m sure you found the right me, Mark.  Businessman, musician, game show champ, bon vivant.  Is this you?
http://tinyurl.com/msfz5wg
http://www.forgottenmen.com/about.html
Quite a handsome fellow.  And perhaps we may have the estimable David Gordon of mises.org in common.  My home blog is
http://americancreation.blogspot.com/
and although I think Mr. Jack Haberer may have gone too far in pissing on David Barton&#039;s grave for reasons given above, I do get Warren&#039;s back in the comments section on this latest Barton stuff.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Tom Van Dyke said...
Mr. Fortenberg, David Barton screwed the pooch with this last Jefferson bit. Although his attackers are often unfair and inaccurate themselves, this time Barton is too far gone to be salvaged.
Time for him to join Erich von Daniken and Hal Lindsey in the Thank You and Goodbye File.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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&lt;blockquote&gt;Tom Van Dyke said...
Mr. Fortenstein, I have my own battles with Warren on these same grounds, but I think Throckmorton&#039;s on solid ground here.
Barton&#039;s insinuating that only some ideological opponents are faulting his work, but the truth is even putative allies such as Daniel Dreisbach and Tommy Kidd cannot support him on this latest Jefferson thing.
Which Warren rightfully and righteously links to
http://www.worldmag.com/2012/08/doubting_thomas
Pretty much there&#039;s not a single historian, left or right, Christian or atheist, who&#039;s getting Barton&#039;s back on this latest Jefferson mess.
And I say this as someone who&#039;s previously taken the stance that some or many of his points are at least arguable. But no more--he has indeed &quot;jumped the shark*&quot; and is unsalvageable. For the good of everything he believes in [God and country), he should go away.
But unfortunately, this is how he makes his living now, so he will not [cannot] quit. But it will never be the same.
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Anyway, Mark, feel free to give me props---or give me hell---as the case may be.  Or just say hi.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-85012">Mark Kreslins</a>.</p>
<p>Oh, I&#8217;m sure you found the right me, Mark.  Businessman, musician, game show champ, bon vivant.  Is this you?<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/msfz5wg" rel="nofollow ugc">http://tinyurl.com/msfz5wg</a><br />
<a href="http://www.forgottenmen.com/about.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.forgottenmen.com/about.html</a><br />
Quite a handsome fellow.  And perhaps we may have the estimable David Gordon of mises.org in common.  My home blog is<br />
<a href="http://americancreation.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://americancreation.blogspot.com/</a><br />
and although I think Mr. Jack Haberer may have gone too far in pissing on David Barton&#8217;s grave for reasons given above, I do get Warren&#8217;s back in the comments section on this latest Barton stuff.</p>
<blockquote><p>Tom Van Dyke said&#8230;<br />
Mr. Fortenberg, David Barton screwed the pooch with this last Jefferson bit. Although his attackers are often unfair and inaccurate themselves, this time Barton is too far gone to be salvaged.<br />
Time for him to join Erich von Daniken and Hal Lindsey in the Thank You and Goodbye File.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Tom Van Dyke said&#8230;<br />
Mr. Fortenstein, I have my own battles with Warren on these same grounds, but I think Throckmorton&#8217;s on solid ground here.<br />
Barton&#8217;s insinuating that only some ideological opponents are faulting his work, but the truth is even putative allies such as Daniel Dreisbach and Tommy Kidd cannot support him on this latest Jefferson thing.<br />
Which Warren rightfully and righteously links to<br />
<a href="http://www.worldmag.com/2012/08/doubting_thomas" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.worldmag.com/2012/08/doubting_thomas</a><br />
Pretty much there&#8217;s not a single historian, left or right, Christian or atheist, who&#8217;s getting Barton&#8217;s back on this latest Jefferson mess.<br />
And I say this as someone who&#8217;s previously taken the stance that some or many of his points are at least arguable. But no more&#8211;he has indeed &#8220;jumped the shark*&#8221; and is unsalvageable. For the good of everything he believes in [God and country), he should go away.<br />
But unfortunately, this is how he makes his living now, so he will not [cannot] quit. But it will never be the same.<br />
*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_the_shark</p></blockquote>
<p>Anyway, Mark, feel free to give me props&#8212;or give me hell&#8212;as the case may be.  Or just say hi.</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-84867&quot;&gt;Warren&lt;/a&gt;.

There are cookies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-84867">Warren</a>.</p>
<p>There are cookies.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-78455&quot;&gt;Jonathan Wilson&lt;/a&gt;.

Jonathan - Welcome to the #Barton4]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/07/25/david-barton-christian-professors-were-trained-by-pagan-professors-who-hate-god/#comment-78455">Jonathan Wilson</a>.</p>
<p>Jonathan &#8211; Welcome to the #Barton4</p>
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