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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/04/therapist-describes-colorful-method-to-determine-changes-in-gay-brains/#comment-86483&quot;&gt;Zoe Brain&lt;/a&gt;.

Ah wait - maybe it&#039;s a PhD in counseling from the College of Education
http://www.unt.edu/pais/grad/gdcoss.htm
Or maybe someone should contact the UNT to check.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/04/therapist-describes-colorful-method-to-determine-changes-in-gay-brains/#comment-86483">Zoe Brain</a>.</p>
<p>Ah wait &#8211; maybe it&#8217;s a PhD in counseling from the College of Education<br />
<a href="http://www.unt.edu/pais/grad/gdcoss.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.unt.edu/pais/grad/gdcoss.htm</a><br />
Or maybe someone should contact the UNT to check.</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;&quot;Dr. Mungadze received a BS in Bible from Dallas Bible College in Dallas, Texas, an MA in Biblical Studies from Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas, Texas, and a Ph.D. in counselor education with a minor in psychology from the University of North Texas in Denton, Texas. &quot;
From the UNT Dept  of Psychology:
&lt;i&gt;&quot;The Counseling Psychology program trains professional psychologists within the context of the scientist-professional model. In adopting the scientist-practitioner (Boulder) model as its training focus, the faculty expects students to be able to: 1) apply scientific thinking to assessment and counseling processes, 2) value and comprehend rigorous treatment outcome research, 3) engage in interventions that are scientifically defensible, 4) informally and formally collect outcome data on the psychological services they provide, and 5) make scientific contributions that seek to understand, prevent, or treat psychological dysfunction and/or promote well being. &quot;&lt;/i&gt;
http://psychology.unt.edu/graduate-programs/counseling-psychology/counseling-doctoral-degree
No comment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;Dr. Mungadze received a BS in Bible from Dallas Bible College in Dallas, Texas, an MA in Biblical Studies from Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas, Texas, and a Ph.D. in counselor education with a minor in psychology from the University of North Texas in Denton, Texas. &#8221;<br />
From the UNT Dept  of Psychology:<br />
<i>&#8220;The Counseling Psychology program trains professional psychologists within the context of the scientist-professional model. In adopting the scientist-practitioner (Boulder) model as its training focus, the faculty expects students to be able to: 1) apply scientific thinking to assessment and counseling processes, 2) value and comprehend rigorous treatment outcome research, 3) engage in interventions that are scientifically defensible, 4) informally and formally collect outcome data on the psychological services they provide, and 5) make scientific contributions that seek to understand, prevent, or treat psychological dysfunction and/or promote well being. &#8220;</i><br />
<a href="http://psychology.unt.edu/graduate-programs/counseling-psychology/counseling-doctoral-degree" rel="nofollow ugc">http://psychology.unt.edu/graduate-programs/counseling-psychology/counseling-doctoral-degree</a><br />
No comment.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2018 18:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/04/therapist-describes-colorful-method-to-determine-changes-in-gay-brains/#comment-84358&quot;&gt;Warren&lt;/a&gt;.

That this is really, really stupid :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2013/06/04/therapist-describes-colorful-method-to-determine-changes-in-gay-brains/#comment-84358">Warren</a>.</p>
<p>That this is really, really stupid 🙂</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 23:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If he came to my Sunday School, he could use felt-tip pens.  But I would tell him off if he drew naughty pictures!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he came to my Sunday School, he could use felt-tip pens.  But I would tell him off if he drew naughty pictures!</p>
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		By: stephen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 22:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hilarious! Where do you find these people? Does he play weddings?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hilarious! Where do you find these people? Does he play weddings?</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 19:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If he came to my Sunday School, he could use felt-tip pens.  But I would tell him off if he drew naughty pictures!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If he came to my Sunday School, he could use felt-tip pens.  But I would tell him off if he drew naughty pictures!</p>
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		By: stephen		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 18:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hilarious! Where do you find these people? Does he play weddings?]]></description>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zoe Brain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We could still run an experiment.
To repeat:
We need several cohorts for such an experiment.
Start with 3 groups, one (A) gay about to go through Mudzenga’s therapy, one gay and not going through it (B), one control (C).
Expectation: A and B will show similarities with each other, and both show differences from C.
Then post-M treatment,
1) B should show differences from A
2) B should show similarities to C
3) A should show same differences from C as before.
4) C should show no change.
The only difference is, instead of MRI images, we&#039;d have 2-D cartoons of brains that have been crayoned in.
&quot;Doctor&quot; M should be able to distinguish (A) and (B) from (C) before treatment, and (B) and (C) from (A) afterwards - even if no-one else can.
Ideally, we&#039;d have MRI imaging too. Imagine if we got a statistically valid correlation - how useful that would be, a whole new area of psychology to investigate, that overturns everything we think we know.
Imagine how useful flying pigs would be too. Or if you could use Snakes as a source of Oil.
Now I may be rightfully accused of being a cynic... but somehow...and this is just a hunch mind you... I don&#039;t think &quot;Doctor&quot; M would agree to this experimental setup.
I say &quot;Doctor&quot; because I can&#039;t see that an MA in Biblical Studies meets any of the requirements to start a PhD in Counseling, Psychology, Education, Educational Counseling etc etc at NWT. But maybe they made an exception for his work experience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could still run an experiment.<br />
To repeat:<br />
We need several cohorts for such an experiment.<br />
Start with 3 groups, one (A) gay about to go through Mudzenga’s therapy, one gay and not going through it (B), one control (C).<br />
Expectation: A and B will show similarities with each other, and both show differences from C.<br />
Then post-M treatment,<br />
1) B should show differences from A<br />
2) B should show similarities to C<br />
3) A should show same differences from C as before.<br />
4) C should show no change.<br />
The only difference is, instead of MRI images, we&#8217;d have 2-D cartoons of brains that have been crayoned in.<br />
&#8220;Doctor&#8221; M should be able to distinguish (A) and (B) from (C) before treatment, and (B) and (C) from (A) afterwards &#8211; even if no-one else can.<br />
Ideally, we&#8217;d have MRI imaging too. Imagine if we got a statistically valid correlation &#8211; how useful that would be, a whole new area of psychology to investigate, that overturns everything we think we know.<br />
Imagine how useful flying pigs would be too. Or if you could use Snakes as a source of Oil.<br />
Now I may be rightfully accused of being a cynic&#8230; but somehow&#8230;and this is just a hunch mind you&#8230; I don&#8217;t think &#8220;Doctor&#8221; M would agree to this experimental setup.<br />
I say &#8220;Doctor&#8221; because I can&#8217;t see that an MA in Biblical Studies meets any of the requirements to start a PhD in Counseling, Psychology, Education, Educational Counseling etc etc at NWT. But maybe they made an exception for his work experience.</p>
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		By: Kwasi		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sounds like a joke ... lol]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a joke &#8230; lol</p>
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		By: Zoe Brain		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jun 2013 11:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We could still run an experiment.
To repeat:
We need several cohorts for such an experiment.
Start with 3 groups, one (A) gay about to go through Mudzenga&#039;s therapy, one gay and not going through it (B), one control (C).
Expectation: A and B will show similarities with each other, and both show differences from C.
Then post-M treatment,
1) B should show differences from A
2) B should show similarities to C
3) A should show same differences from C as before.
4) C should show no change.
The only difference is, instead of MRI images, we&#039;d have 2-D cartoons of brains that have been crayoned in.
&quot;Doctor&quot; M should be able to distinguish (A) and (B) from (C) before treatment, and (B) and (C) from (A) afterwards - even if no-one else can.
Ideally, we&#039;d have MRI imaging too. Imagine if we got a statistically valid correlation - how useful that would be, a whole new area of psychology to investigate, that overturns everything we think we know.
Imagine how useful flying pigs would be too. Or if you could use Snakes as a source of Oil.
Now I may be rightfully accused of being a cynic... but somehow...and this is just a hunch mind you... I don&#039;t think &quot;Doctor&quot; M would agree to this experimental setup.
I say &quot;Doctor&quot; because I can&#039;t see that an MA in Biblical Studies meets any of the requirements to start a PhD in Counseling, Psychology, Education, Educational Counseling etc etc at NWT. But maybe they made an exception for his work experience.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could still run an experiment.<br />
To repeat:<br />
We need several cohorts for such an experiment.<br />
Start with 3 groups, one (A) gay about to go through Mudzenga&#8217;s therapy, one gay and not going through it (B), one control (C).<br />
Expectation: A and B will show similarities with each other, and both show differences from C.<br />
Then post-M treatment,<br />
1) B should show differences from A<br />
2) B should show similarities to C<br />
3) A should show same differences from C as before.<br />
4) C should show no change.<br />
The only difference is, instead of MRI images, we&#8217;d have 2-D cartoons of brains that have been crayoned in.<br />
&#8220;Doctor&#8221; M should be able to distinguish (A) and (B) from (C) before treatment, and (B) and (C) from (A) afterwards &#8211; even if no-one else can.<br />
Ideally, we&#8217;d have MRI imaging too. Imagine if we got a statistically valid correlation &#8211; how useful that would be, a whole new area of psychology to investigate, that overturns everything we think we know.<br />
Imagine how useful flying pigs would be too. Or if you could use Snakes as a source of Oil.<br />
Now I may be rightfully accused of being a cynic&#8230; but somehow&#8230;and this is just a hunch mind you&#8230; I don&#8217;t think &#8220;Doctor&#8221; M would agree to this experimental setup.<br />
I say &#8220;Doctor&#8221; because I can&#8217;t see that an MA in Biblical Studies meets any of the requirements to start a PhD in Counseling, Psychology, Education, Educational Counseling etc etc at NWT. But maybe they made an exception for his work experience.</p>
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