RE: NARTH, the member numbers are fuzzy, but several years ago, I was told that there “around 1000 members” mostly pastors and laypeople. The professional members (those with degrees in mental health) were under 200.

I agree with you that the language is not yet there for many. Did you know the word homosexual has only existed about 150 years?

NOM. National Organization for Marriage.

Ok, yes, I have heard of them. I think the head person ( a lady ) was on Larry King once when I was watching.

According to wikipedia, “This is usually understood to be congenital, involving chromosomal, morphologic, genital and/or gonadal anomalies, such as diversion from typical XX-female or XY-male presentations, e.g., sex reversal (XY-female, XX-male), genital ambiguity, sex developmental differences. An intersex individual may have biological characteristics of both the male and the female sexes.”

Are you suggesting that “ex-gay/post/former” gays have such congenital, chromosomal, morphologic, genital and/or gonadal anomalies”? Do you describe yourself as such?

BTW: I do accept people as people — of equal dignity and value regardless of what labels they may or may not apply to themselves. The labels only help to describe sexual orientation (gay, bi, straight, etc.) They are not meant to define the totality or “identity” of the “person”. At least, that is not how I used these terms. I’m a gay male. My brother is a straight male. That’s all. No negative or positive implications about us as people.