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	Comments on: Ted Haggard still struggles with his sexuality	</title>
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		By: PianoManKugie		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/12/21/ted-haggard-still-struggles-with-his-sexuality/#comment-24636</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/12/21/ted-haggard-still-struggles-with-his-sexuality/#comment-24575&quot;&gt;carole&lt;/a&gt;.

Carole, Thank you!  Well said!  Each of us persons is so unique, and for those of us who are in a marriage, each of those marriages is also unique.  I agree that a couple&#039;s decision to stay together, or not, is, after all counsel and advice and prayer, theirs alone.  So, if I like their decision, so what?  If I disagree with their decision, so what?  Who the heck am I?  They are not personal friends of mine, I don&#039;t even know these people, and I am not a part of their lives.  And even if I was, I would still mainly pray because I certainly can&#039;t tell another couple what is best for them.  What you&#039;ve said is quite right.  Each couples decision to stay together or not is their own for their own reasons.   (It doesn&#039;t sound to me like theirs is one of those situations where CPS needs to come in and take the kids away.)  The kids will have to deal with this issue whether their parents stay together or not.  Well said, Carole!  Thank you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/12/21/ted-haggard-still-struggles-with-his-sexuality/#comment-24575">carole</a>.</p>
<p>Carole, Thank you!  Well said!  Each of us persons is so unique, and for those of us who are in a marriage, each of those marriages is also unique.  I agree that a couple&#8217;s decision to stay together, or not, is, after all counsel and advice and prayer, theirs alone.  So, if I like their decision, so what?  If I disagree with their decision, so what?  Who the heck am I?  They are not personal friends of mine, I don&#8217;t even know these people, and I am not a part of their lives.  And even if I was, I would still mainly pray because I certainly can&#8217;t tell another couple what is best for them.  What you&#8217;ve said is quite right.  Each couples decision to stay together or not is their own for their own reasons.   (It doesn&#8217;t sound to me like theirs is one of those situations where CPS needs to come in and take the kids away.)  The kids will have to deal with this issue whether their parents stay together or not.  Well said, Carole!  Thank you!</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/12/21/ted-haggard-still-struggles-with-his-sexuality/#comment-24635</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Tim,
Well said.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tim,<br />
Well said.</p>
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		By: David Blakeslee		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/12/21/ted-haggard-still-struggles-with-his-sexuality/#comment-24634</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Blakeslee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Jayhuck,
...your ability to step around others responses and stick to your assertions is exemplary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jayhuck,<br />
&#8230;your ability to step around others responses and stick to your assertions is exemplary.</p>
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		By: Evan		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2008/12/21/ted-haggard-still-struggles-with-his-sexuality/#comment-24633</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Evan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree with you, Warren. The man doesn&#039;t necessarily have a problem with his wife because he is attracted to other men. His particular problem may be somewhere else, with sensation seeking. There are probably many SSA-ed married men who are attracted to their wives but are average or low on sensation seeking, which makes them unlikely to act on impulses.
On the other hand, I will have to disagree about the bisexual term (or Bem&#039;s &#039;discordant for one&#039;s orientation&#039;, for that matter). I like Sven Bocklandt&#039;s logic more:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The whole hypothesis that I’ve been working on is that there’s no such thing, from a biological point of view, as homosexuality or heterosexuality. ...The only thing that exists is being attracted to men or being attracted to women.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That means, to me, that there is no bisexuality either. These labels come from how behaviours have been classified over time and don&#039;t say much about individual people&#039;s attractions to individuals. Thus, if a person was quantitatively attracted to a greater number of individual men or women, she/he was termed according to the relation between their genders (opposite or same). But men and women are not generic in real life, like they appear in categories. Their &#039;genderness&#039; is expressed in individual characteristics and people are attracted to particular people, but not to all men or women. I think we will learn that labels have a statistical reality and that&#039;s all. But, as we know, individual behaviours cannot be predicted from statistical inferences. Therefore, arguing that someone is primarily attracted to one gender because they respond to a greater number of same-sex individuals and a smaller number of opposite-sex individuals will not predict their behaviour or sexual identity. In real life environment individuals use their sexual potential &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;with particular people&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;, not with gender categories. In this understanding, there is room for more or less choice for each individual, depending on the individuals they meet and relate to.
So it doesn&#039;t practically matter to one&#039;s life if statistically they are more attracted to one gender or another, as long as they can have a functional relationship with the person they choose and vice versa. On the contrary, labels can and probably have done some damage to individual lives forcing people to try to live up to labels when they could have more simply accepted and have been accepted for the choices they made.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Warren. The man doesn&#8217;t necessarily have a problem with his wife because he is attracted to other men. His particular problem may be somewhere else, with sensation seeking. There are probably many SSA-ed married men who are attracted to their wives but are average or low on sensation seeking, which makes them unlikely to act on impulses.<br />
On the other hand, I will have to disagree about the bisexual term (or Bem&#8217;s &#8216;discordant for one&#8217;s orientation&#8217;, for that matter). I like Sven Bocklandt&#8217;s logic more:</p>
<blockquote><p>The whole hypothesis that I’ve been working on is that there’s no such thing, from a biological point of view, as homosexuality or heterosexuality. &#8230;The only thing that exists is being attracted to men or being attracted to women.</p></blockquote>
<p>That means, to me, that there is no bisexuality either. These labels come from how behaviours have been classified over time and don&#8217;t say much about individual people&#8217;s attractions to individuals. Thus, if a person was quantitatively attracted to a greater number of individual men or women, she/he was termed according to the relation between their genders (opposite or same). But men and women are not generic in real life, like they appear in categories. Their &#8216;genderness&#8217; is expressed in individual characteristics and people are attracted to particular people, but not to all men or women. I think we will learn that labels have a statistical reality and that&#8217;s all. But, as we know, individual behaviours cannot be predicted from statistical inferences. Therefore, arguing that someone is primarily attracted to one gender because they respond to a greater number of same-sex individuals and a smaller number of opposite-sex individuals will not predict their behaviour or sexual identity. In real life environment individuals use their sexual potential <em><strong>with particular people</strong></em>, not with gender categories. In this understanding, there is room for more or less choice for each individual, depending on the individuals they meet and relate to.<br />
So it doesn&#8217;t practically matter to one&#8217;s life if statistically they are more attracted to one gender or another, as long as they can have a functional relationship with the person they choose and vice versa. On the contrary, labels can and probably have done some damage to individual lives forcing people to try to live up to labels when they could have more simply accepted and have been accepted for the choices they made.</p>
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		By: Warren		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To all - Mr. Haggard may be bisexual; he may be what I have termed &quot;spousosexual&quot; in that he is quite attracted to his wife and no other woman, even while he remains attracted to men, experiencing that side as a struggle.
If the sexual side of the relationship exists parallel to the same-sex desire, then the situation would be more favorable for the marriage long term.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To all &#8211; Mr. Haggard may be bisexual; he may be what I have termed &#8220;spousosexual&#8221; in that he is quite attracted to his wife and no other woman, even while he remains attracted to men, experiencing that side as a struggle.<br />
If the sexual side of the relationship exists parallel to the same-sex desire, then the situation would be more favorable for the marriage long term.</p>
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