Uganda’s Anti-Homosexuality Bill will likely be tabled again but the question is when? MP Otto Odonga told me recently it could come to the floor of Parliament in August. Now a source is saying that Bahati pegs the return for November of this year. Here is the story from a Ugandan blogger who writes that he recently spoke with MP Bahati:
However perhaps even matching its own record on the bizarre and grotesque was the so-called “Kill the Gays” Bill that was introduced by arguably one of the more capable Members of Parliament today, the Ndorwa West MP David Bahati. Last time I had a chat with the MP (who I had incidentally advised against the bill precisely because of the storm it may generate and because I considered it a waste of valuable time), he told me the bill would return to the house in November. “ I am winning,” he said.
These days I am sort of resigned to how disagreeable things can become what with an economic storm, a crisis of the Ugandan shilling and real hurt amongst Ugandan families that I consider this bill largely academic. But just like the bail law some people have suggested to me that the bill is intended for political purposes as well. My sources in parliament also add that because of the world wide storm it generated it will come to the House for debate in stealth not reflected in “ the order paper” of the day.
This would be possible because the Speaker there has great freedom in how the business is conducted. According to MP Odonga, the Speaker, Rebecca Kadaga, has assured MPs that the AHB will be moved ahead from the last parliament. Thus, it would be old business and could be brought forward at her discretion. Whether or not she will do that is a guessing game.
I have also heard today from sources I trust that ministers are quietly appealing to MPs to pass the bill via letters and emails. The relevance of this is that the movement to get the bill considered is not as public as during the previous parliament.
BREAKING NEWS: Robert has been given a ‘stay of execution’. No details yet of what might happen next, but this is a ‘start’.
Maazi – Thanks for the catch in sentence construction. It does present a strange picture doesn’t it?
Two (more?) sources (both journalistic, both very well versed in UG affairs) indicate that the Bill might be back in about two weeks’ time.
Two (more?) sources (both journalistic, both very well versed in UG affairs) indicate that the Bill might be back in about two weeks’ time.
I’ve just received a second ‘indication’ that the Bill could be brought back suddenly and surreptitiously BEFORE November. (I received the first a few days ago.)
BREAKING NEWS: Robert has been given a ‘stay of execution’. No details yet of what might happen next, but this is a ‘start’.
I’ve just received a second ‘indication’ that the Bill could be brought back suddenly and surreptitiously BEFORE November. (I received the first a few days ago.)
One can feel the (very understandable, perhaps) anger in ‘Maazi NCO’s’ words above. But why is ‘Maazi NCO’ so keen to express that anger by bashing his fellow Ugandans? Very odd. (Of course, ‘Maazi NCO’ thumbs his nose at Europeans and [‘liberal’] Americans – but it is his own compatriots he wishes to harm.)
I have little doubt that much of what is wrong in Uganda today, including the high level of homophobia, is partly the result of colonialism.
As for asylum cases: well, given the way things are back in UG, any sensible asylum seeker would have to be pretty certain of ‘success’ if they were to cite their sexuality as the basis of their claim. As it happens, I am aware of one case where an asylum seeker has made such a claim, but without apparent foundation. Robert’s claim does seem to have a sound evidentiary basis – a basis that appears to have been ignored by the UKBA and the immigration ‘judge’. (Furthermore, the UKBA’s initial decision and the ‘judge’s’ subsequent ruling appear not to be consistent – at least there should be a proper judicial review.)
One can feel the (very understandable, perhaps) anger in ‘Maazi NCO’s’ words above. But why is ‘Maazi NCO’ so keen to express that anger by bashing his fellow Ugandans? Very odd. (Of course, ‘Maazi NCO’ thumbs his nose at Europeans and [‘liberal’] Americans – but it is his own compatriots he wishes to harm.)
I have little doubt that much of what is wrong in Uganda today, including the high level of homophobia, is partly the result of colonialism.
As for asylum cases: well, given the way things are back in UG, any sensible asylum seeker would have to be pretty certain of ‘success’ if they were to cite their sexuality as the basis of their claim. As it happens, I am aware of one case where an asylum seeker has made such a claim, but without apparent foundation. Robert’s claim does seem to have a sound evidentiary basis – a basis that appears to have been ignored by the UKBA and the immigration ‘judge’. (Furthermore, the UKBA’s initial decision and the ‘judge’s’ subsequent ruling appear not to be consistent – at least there should be a proper judicial review.)
That guy Robert is just an economic migrant. Unfortunately, there are Africans who would say anything to be granted permanent residency in Europe and America. In the past, it used to be that people would claim to be from war-torn Sierra Leone or war-torn Liberia because they knew that Europeans and Americans were too dumb to tell the difference between a West African and an East African. In those bygone days, economic migrants had a field day falsely claiming Congolese, Rwandese and South Sudanese identities in a bid to win their asylum claims. Today, every clever economic migrant from Africa claims to be a gay sex practitioner knowing the emotional attachment that Europeans and liberal Americans have towards such deviant sexualities. I will reiterate my opinion that Robert has right to stay in the nation that once occupied his own country illegally and raped it for several decades. I gladly support his right to be granted residency in UK on a permanent basis if he so desires.
Oh, and since ‘Maazi NCO’ clearly doesn’t like the fact that there are gay people in UG, he might wish to sign this petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/save-gay-ugandan-robert-segwanyi
Who said anything about desperation? Except for ‘Maazi NCO’, that is.
I am well known and some propagandists have made contact with me as far back as February 2010. One even sent me a spam email a few months ago which I may now respond to with the “reliable insider information” he was seeking. The management of information flows is great thing. Successive Western governments and Western media corporations have used it very well to their advantage to spread propaganda as they wage wars to conquer energy resources across the world under the camouflage of fighting for human rights and freedoms and spreading democracy. I shall not fail to contribute my humble quota to this information flow thingy now that I sense the desperation of vested interests outside Uganda.
Is ‘Maazi NCO’ saying that Ugandans are polite and reasonable in public but not in private? That’s rather unfair on Ugandans, isn’t it? ‘Maazi NCO’ should restrict himself to speaking for himself, methinks.
I would rather refer you to the my comment in this thread about your funny attempts to sell your pitch to Ugandan MPs
Of course, we should remind ourselves that we are not talking about ‘gay parades’ here (‘Maazi NCO’ only does that in an attempt to deflect attention from the real issues here); those of us opposing Bahati’s efforts are trying to avert genocidal outcomes that will affect primarily Ugandans.
‘Maazi NCO’ is scared to say who is really is, despite the fact that he claims that (just about) everyone supports him!
Lloyd is so pissed off. I should really hide because he is using useless American curse words on a piss-poor Ugandan personality like me . Ooooohh, I am so scared to inform him that his gay victory parade in New York shall never see the light of day in Kampala….
@ Maazi. Do you know that you sound like an arrogant, self important twat? STFU.
I can manage perfectly well without ‘Maazi NCO’ making physical contact with me!
Welldone !! you have been speaking to Ugandan MPs?! I guess you are one step above the gay propagandist email spammers. Do you want a pat on the back? 😀 😀 😀
I have nothing much to add to whatever this MP told you other than to simply let you know that the majority viewpoint of the Ugandan people cannot and will not be allowed to be defeated by a bunch of foreign interest lobbyists and their paid-up domestic puppets here in Kampala. Not while we are still alive to use legitimate powers of state authority to effect legislative changes that are supported across our diverse ethnic, racial, party and religious lines.
Maazi – Thanks for the catch in sentence construction. It does present a strange picture doesn’t it?
Well, we know the Bahati Bill is most certainly not dead, and I have been told directly by ………. MP that Ugandan MPs want to debate it. (I would say – for the record – that, while ………. MP wishes to be allowed to debate the Bill, he/she does not actually support it. I would also say that the dialogue between ………. MP and me has been thoughtful, erudite and civilized, as has dialogue with an important member of the ………………. .)
My own view is that, if any additional discriminatory measures are eventually passed, then it will be as part of a different bill. That said, nothing would surprise me …
November? Oh, that’s very interesting. Hmmm… No further comment.
Pass the bill via email and letters? Wow !! I guess its time to call in the CIA and FBI to bring forward their electronic communication intercepting equipment. Or may be the gay propagandist spammers should jam parliamentary email accounts with so much trash that no real or imagined bill can be transferred via email. Now do I get a hug for this cheap, simple and ingenious idea? 🙂
Now, I understand why “Figures-in-Authority” are being inundated with spam emails and letters from demented elements of the Euro-American Gay Forces. And the recent desperation of the domestic pro-gay puppets, spending their hot foreign cash in hotel conference rooms to shriek about their “human right” to engage in one of the most inhuman and insane sexual deviance ever known to mankind. And they wish Parliament to write law saying that in our beloved Uganda –The Pearl of Africa— that it is legal and good for our citizens to engage in such deviance? What a laugh !!
Westerners are groping about in the dark, like a pack of blinded lions, scratching around for real or imagined “intelligence information” on what parliamentarians are up to. Just for the fun of it, I think I will pass some “information” to one of the idiots who surprisingly managed to send a spam email to me despite my robust “internet settings”.
That guy Robert is just an economic migrant. Unfortunately, there are Africans who would say anything to be granted permanent residency in Europe and America. In the past, it used to be that people would claim to be from war-torn Sierra Leone or war-torn Liberia because they knew that Europeans and Americans were too dumb to tell the difference between a West African and an East African. In those bygone days, economic migrants had a field day falsely claiming Congolese, Rwandese and South Sudanese identities in a bid to win their asylum claims. Today, every clever economic migrant from Africa claims to be a gay sex practitioner knowing the emotional attachment that Europeans and liberal Americans have towards such deviant sexualities. I will reiterate my opinion that Robert has right to stay in the nation that once occupied his own country illegally and raped it for several decades. I gladly support his right to be granted residency in UK on a permanent basis if he so desires.
Oh, and since ‘Maazi NCO’ clearly doesn’t like the fact that there are gay people in UG, he might wish to sign this petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/save-gay-ugandan-robert-segwanyi
Who said anything about desperation? Except for ‘Maazi NCO’, that is.
I am well known and some propagandists have made contact with me as far back as February 2010. One even sent me a spam email a few months ago which I may now respond to with the “reliable insider information” he was seeking. The management of information flows is great thing. Successive Western governments and Western media corporations have used it very well to their advantage to spread propaganda as they wage wars to conquer energy resources across the world under the camouflage of fighting for human rights and freedoms and spreading democracy. I shall not fail to contribute my humble quota to this information flow thingy now that I sense the desperation of vested interests outside Uganda.
Is ‘Maazi NCO’ saying that Ugandans are polite and reasonable in public but not in private? That’s rather unfair on Ugandans, isn’t it? ‘Maazi NCO’ should restrict himself to speaking for himself, methinks.
I would rather refer you to the my comment in this thread about your funny attempts to sell your pitch to Ugandan MPs
Of course, we should remind ourselves that we are not talking about ‘gay parades’ here (‘Maazi NCO’ only does that in an attempt to deflect attention from the real issues here); those of us opposing Bahati’s efforts are trying to avert genocidal outcomes that will affect primarily Ugandans.
‘Maazi NCO’ is scared to say who is really is, despite the fact that he claims that (just about) everyone supports him!
Lloyd is so pissed off. I should really hide because he is using useless American curse words on a piss-poor Ugandan personality like me . Ooooohh, I am so scared to inform him that his gay victory parade in New York shall never see the light of day in Kampala….
@ Maazi. Do you know that you sound like an arrogant, self important twat? STFU.
I can manage perfectly well without ‘Maazi NCO’ making physical contact with me!
Welldone !! you have been speaking to Ugandan MPs?! I guess you are one step above the gay propagandist email spammers. Do you want a pat on the back? 😀 😀 😀
I have nothing much to add to whatever this MP told you other than to simply let you know that the majority viewpoint of the Ugandan people cannot and will not be allowed to be defeated by a bunch of foreign interest lobbyists and their paid-up domestic puppets here in Kampala. Not while we are still alive to use legitimate powers of state authority to effect legislative changes that are supported across our diverse ethnic, racial, party and religious lines.
Well, we know the Bahati Bill is most certainly not dead, and I have been told directly by ………. MP that Ugandan MPs want to debate it. (I would say – for the record – that, while ………. MP wishes to be allowed to debate the Bill, he/she does not actually support it. I would also say that the dialogue between ………. MP and me has been thoughtful, erudite and civilized, as has dialogue with an important member of the ………………. .)
My own view is that, if any additional discriminatory measures are eventually passed, then it will be as part of a different bill. That said, nothing would surprise me …
November? Oh, that’s very interesting. Hmmm… No further comment.
Pass the bill via email and letters? Wow !! I guess its time to call in the CIA and FBI to bring forward their electronic communication intercepting equipment. Or may be the gay propagandist spammers should jam parliamentary email accounts with so much trash that no real or imagined bill can be transferred via email. Now do I get a hug for this cheap, simple and ingenious idea? 🙂
Now, I understand why “Figures-in-Authority” are being inundated with spam emails and letters from demented elements of the Euro-American Gay Forces. And the recent desperation of the domestic pro-gay puppets, spending their hot foreign cash in hotel conference rooms to shriek about their “human right” to engage in one of the most inhuman and insane sexual deviance ever known to mankind. And they wish Parliament to write law saying that in our beloved Uganda –The Pearl of Africa— that it is legal and good for our citizens to engage in such deviance? What a laugh !!
Westerners are groping about in the dark, like a pack of blinded lions, scratching around for real or imagined “intelligence information” on what parliamentarians are up to. Just for the fun of it, I think I will pass some “information” to one of the idiots who surprisingly managed to send a spam email to me despite my robust “internet settings”.