More on Martin Ssempa’s “meeting” with gay leaders

Last Thursday, I reported a statement from Martin Ssempa regarding his views of the Hang Them campaign initiated by the Ugandan tabloid, Rolling Stone.  Ssempa said he

…spent three hours with leaders of homosexuals along with Bishop Ssenyonjo-explaining to them his position as a father.

I understood the statement to refer to a meeting specifically set up to meet with gay leaders. However, there is more to this statement according to others who were involved. First, here again is Ssempa’s statement in full:

STATEMENT ON THE ROLLING STONE ARTICLE.

Dr. Martin Ssempa would like to disassociate himself from the “Hang Them” article which appeared in the ‘Rolling Stone’ Newspaper October 02-092010 issue. While he has been opposed to homosexuality as a sin, a cultural taboo, and an act that breaks the laws of Uganda, he does not support violent efforts of “hang them” as indicated in the Rolling Stone-a new sensational tabloid. Being an outspoken preacher on the subject, he was interviewed by a writer from the paper but his language and tone of message was unfortunately not portrayed.

Pastor Ssempa does not believe that outings in Newspapers is an appropriate method. Pastor Ssempa is counselling homosexuals and victims of homosexuality whose confidence he has kept until they have been willing to go public.

At a meeting last week, Dr. Ssempa spent three hours with leaders of homosexuals along with Bishop Ssenyonjo-explaining to them his position as a father. Homosexuality is a sin and God’s grace is there for all who need redemption. He shared how he counsels university boys and girls who are suicidal because they were raped in single sex boarding schools and no one was there to defend them. It is this that drives his passion for educational and legislative reforms to protect Africa’s Youths. The meeting ended on a pleasant note with Pastor Ssempa taking a group photo with the team.

I called Bishop Ssenyonjo to get his perspective on the meeting and he told me that the “meeting” was a series of speeches given by people of various points of view regarding homosexuality sponsored by a research group from Makerere University School of Law. The sessions were held over several days from September 29 through October 2nd. Bishop Ssenyonjo said he spoke about “The God who does not discriminate.” According to the Bishop, there were few gay people in attendance, with most being people invited to speak by those organizing the sessions. Bishop Ssenyonjo heard Martin Ssempa’s session which he said lasted about an hour. In it, Ssempa said he favored the passage of the Anti-Homosexuality Bill but did not want the dealth penalty included. According to the Bishop, Ssempa called for restrictions on free speech, via bans on what he called “promotion” of homosexuality.

In short, the meeting with homosexual leaders turns out to be a series of sessions where many people spoke, many of whom were not homosexual. Apparently, the series of meetings was organized by unnamed researchers from Makerere University.

40 thoughts on “More on Martin Ssempa’s “meeting” with gay leaders”

  1. Your host on this blog has given you the space.

    GayUganda,

    It seems you are unhappy that Mr. Throckmorton has given space for a truly representative voice of Africa to speak. Perhaps, you will prefer to be given sole access to the blog so that you can deceive your American patrons into believing that gayism is acceptable to many Africans. Anyway, you can take this issue up with him. Even if he bars me from further comment to please you, it will not silence the view of the vast majority of Ugandans that there is simply no room for aberrant sexual activity in our nation.

    Maazi, speak for yourself….. Dont speak for the rest of Uganda. Or for Africa.

    I am confident that I speak for most Ugandans and most Africans when I say that your deviant sexual behaviour is unAfrican, depraved and inhuman. From surveys conducted by several pollsters, it is well known that population majorities of 90% and above in each of Africa’s 53 nations are dead opposed to sodomy. So I can say with confidence that my viewpoint is indeed the consensus opinion of all Africa. Your own opinion—on the other hand— is only respected in the liberal West.

    As a Ugandan, his blatant obtuseness ashames me.

    You are the one who is being obtuse because as an African you should know that your behaviour can never be acceptable given the communal structure of our society. If you think that Africans will magically transform into latte-drinking hedonistic social liberals of USA then you are even more obtuse than I thought.

    You shame us.

    No sane African is ashamed of a fellow African who insists that our culture and traditions must never be subverted by perverted western ideas such as “gay rights”, “gay marriage” and “child adoption rights for gay couples”. On the other hand, your sexual behaviour is a shame to yourself, your family, our nation and to the continent of Africa.

  2. I would guess most of the people reading this blog are very familiar with his kind of anti-gay hatred and the ignorance that breeds it.

    Very typical !!! Any person who is against gayism is accused of being hateful and ignorant. It is a well worn road for the euro-american gay propagandist lobby. I do not hate GayUganda whom I have never met before in my life. However, I do not feel that I need to support his deviant sexual behaviour or become a western libertarian like Mr. Throckmorton in order to prove that I don’t hate him. Having said that, it is important for you chaps not to deny reality, which is that gayism simply has no room in Africa. This is the consensus opinion among the vast majority of the continent’s people. If you doubt it, please carry out a vox populi in all African cities, including those where gayism is not criminalized by law, but is still overwhelmingly rejected by society.

  3. gayuganda,

    You shouldn’t worry too much about people (who read this blog) taking Maazi seriously. I would guess most of the people reading this blog are very familiar with his kind of anti-gay hatred and the ignorance that breeds it.

    that said, I would encourage you (and other ugandans) to post here, otherwise some might get the impression all ugandans are as hateful and ignorant as Maazi is.

  4. Gosh, Maazi,

    I am not asking your host to kick you out.

    Certainly not. Certainly not. He has given you a forum to air your views, and you are doing splendidly. Go ahead.

    I just have a problem when you speak in my name as an African. Or claim to speak in the name of all us Africans.

    I simply object to being lumped together with you in your opinions. Especially in this forum. If you choose to shout aloud your opinions, why, go ahead…. they seem to edify you more than anything else.

    Just dont lump all of us together with you, dont you think that is fair? After all, you wouldnt want to be lumped with this shameful gay African, would you? So, dont.

    But, do go ahead and air your views. Your host doesnt object. Sorry if I gave you the impression that I wanted you not to.

    Faith, I want you to continue saying what you do. In your name…!

  5. Again, Maazi brings hilarity to an otherwise bleak and repulsive story. I say, bravo. We need more satire like this to keep things in proportion. But is he (or she) reaching a wide enough audience? Not to downplay professor Throckmorton’s blog but shouldn’t Maazi have his own blog? Maazi Says, for example, where his posts can be collected and enjoyed by many more people? Of course, that might out his (or her) for satire for what it is but it seems a shame it doesn’t reach the audience it deserves.

  6. I called Bishop Ssenyonjo to get his perspective on the meeting…

    Warren,

    Mr. Christopher Senyojo is no longer recognized as a Bishop of the Anglican Church in Uganda. Unless he has been conferred with title of “Bishop” by the Euro-American Gay Lobby or the US Episcopal Church, I see no reason why you should continue with the charade. Any way, I wish Senyojo well in his business of making money from desperate Westerners.

    In short, the meeting with homosexual leaders turns out to be a series of sessions where many people spoke, many of whom were not homosexual. Apparently, the series of meetings was organized by unnamed researchers from Makerere University.

    Wow !! And you deemed this story worthy of reporting in your blog? Must be your obsession with Martin Ssempa. Lets hope that the Euro-American gay propagandist websites that depend on you for nearly all their funny stories on Uganda find your stories worthy of dissemination.

  7. Again, Maazi brings hilarity to an otherwise bleak and repulsive story. I say, bravo. We need more satire like this to keep things in proportion. But is he (or she) reaching a wide enough audience? Not to downplay professor Throckmorton’s blog but shouldn’t Maazi have his own blog? Maazi Says, for example, where his posts can be collected and enjoyed by many more people? Of course, that might out his (or her) for satire for what it is but it seems a shame it doesn’t reach the audience it deserves.

    Stephen, I am happy that you see the hilarious and entertaining side of my commentary. This is a welcome depature from most Western gay propagandists who prefer to insult me and other Africans for having a view on gayism which contradicts the received wisdom of the highly influential euro-american gay lobby. Of course, it goes without saying that most of my commentary on this blog are not merely themes for your entertainment, but the serious viewpoints of the African people as far as the deviant sexual culture is concerned. Again, thanks for the favourable review.

  8. TYPO CORRECTION:

    Lets hope that the Euro-American gay propagandist websites that depend on you for nearly all their funny stories on Uganda find your stories worthy of dissemination.

    It should have read:

    Lets hope that the Euro-American gay propagandist websites that depend on you for nearly all their funny stories on Uganda find this particular blog story worthy of dissemination.

  9. Okay, so someone wanted the details and there you have it served by Spiralx.

    I also notice that you deliberately mangled my very well structured and simple questions.

    Furthermore I want to chime in on the others response and tell that if you never open your mind and never mix with others and learn about others way of being than your church comrades or some alike groupings you will never have any use of roaming across the world or turn every book, especially engineering books.

    The height of being a human is hardly measured by being engineer nor the prefix to your name.

    Maybe you should have studied history and for instance took a pick at Germany nazis. Accomplished engineers, horrific human beings. This is just an example and I am not implying that you are a nazi or as a nazi, its your choice what you become and frankly I don’t even care anymore, as I am at this juncture of my life have started to understand and accept that there are lost ones…

    Don’t forget to love!

  10. Okay, so someone wanted the details and there you have it served by Spiralx.

    I also notice that you deliberately mangled my very well structured and simple questions.

    Furthermore I want to chime in on the others response and tell that if you never open your mind and never mix with others and learn about others way of being than your church comrades or some alike groupings you will never have any use of roaming across the world or turn every book, especially engineering books.

    The height of being a human is hardly measured by being engineer nor the prefix to your name.

    Maybe you should have studied history and for instance took a pick at Germany nazis. Accomplished engineers, horrific human beings. This is just an example and I am not implying that you are a nazi or as a nazi, its your choice what you become and frankly I don’t even care anymore, as I am at this juncture of my life have started to understand and accept that there are lost ones…

    Don’t forget to love!

  11. [quote]As a British-educated engineer and a person who lived and worked in the USA and have travelled to several parts of the world, I believe I am probably better educated than you[/quote]

    And as gug says, that just goes to prove how useless education and travel can be for the small-minded. For example, it is interesting how you focus simply on the basic mechanics of sex, and ignore the feelings or love involved in any relationship, gay or straight. You also seem to assume this is all to do with Western moral degeneracy and hypocrisy in Africa, not basic human rights. It all says quite a lot about you.

    And – quick comment – you know nothing about me, so don’t assume anything, esp. for snidey put-down purposes.

    [quote]Gay sex is deviant because the anus is not a sexual organ. [/quote]

    Any part of the human body can be part of sex. The narrow definition of sex your comment implies is simply Victorian, and out of date.

    In fact, the anal passage leads to the prostate gland, situated right behind the gonads, and can if stimulated prove a source of sexual pleasure.

    [quote]Those who insist it is always suffer anal tears and bleeding[/quote]

    Not always, though to avoid that, obviously a lot of water-based lubrication is needed, and it doesn’t automatically come pre-supplied.

    I’m going to gloss over your comments on sexual diseases, as they are as ill-informed as your understanding of sex.

    And actually, in direct contrast to your assertion, there is a mounting quantity of credible scientific work on the biological and genetic causes of sexual orientation. The best summary of this is probably still the 2005 book “Born Gay” by Wilson & Rahman.

  12. Whoops,

    I do love this. I really love this.!!!

    So, Maazi is a British educated engineer, and widely traveled in the US…

    I am glad me as an African dont bear all the burden for his opinion. [Sigh…!]

    And, just to remind everyone else, Nsaba Buturo is a British PhD in economics. (and Ssempa is Dr Ssempa!!!)

    Now, me, I dont share the lofty academic details that Maazi is brandishing. But, am very glad that they are no longer fully attributable to his Africannes, which I share with him, and which I feel so deeply offended that he shames with his opinions.

    Maazi dear. Thanks for that enlightment. I am glad, very glad.

    Gosh, education is not all it is set out to be….!

    Please, continue the discourse!

  13. [quote]As a British-educated engineer and a person who lived and worked in the USA and have travelled to several parts of the world, I believe I am probably better educated than you[/quote]

    And as gug says, that just goes to prove how useless education and travel can be for the small-minded. For example, it is interesting how you focus simply on the basic mechanics of sex, and ignore the feelings or love involved in any relationship, gay or straight. You also seem to assume this is all to do with Western moral degeneracy and hypocrisy in Africa, not basic human rights. It all says quite a lot about you.

    And – quick comment – you know nothing about me, so don’t assume anything, esp. for snidey put-down purposes.

    [quote]Gay sex is deviant because the anus is not a sexual organ. [/quote]

    Any part of the human body can be part of sex. The narrow definition of sex your comment implies is simply Victorian, and out of date.

    In fact, the anal passage leads to the prostate gland, situated right behind the gonads, and can if stimulated prove a source of sexual pleasure.

    [quote]Those who insist it is always suffer anal tears and bleeding[/quote]

    Not always, though to avoid that, obviously a lot of water-based lubrication is needed, and it doesn’t automatically come pre-supplied.

    I’m going to gloss over your comments on sexual diseases, as they are as ill-informed as your understanding of sex.

    And actually, in direct contrast to your assertion, there is a mounting quantity of credible scientific work on the biological and genetic causes of sexual orientation. The best summary of this is probably still the 2005 book “Born Gay” by Wilson & Rahman.

  14. Whoops,

    I do love this. I really love this.!!!

    So, Maazi is a British educated engineer, and widely traveled in the US…

    I am glad me as an African dont bear all the burden for his opinion. [Sigh…!]

    And, just to remind everyone else, Nsaba Buturo is a British PhD in economics. (and Ssempa is Dr Ssempa!!!)

    Now, me, I dont share the lofty academic details that Maazi is brandishing. But, am very glad that they are no longer fully attributable to his Africannes, which I share with him, and which I feel so deeply offended that he shames with his opinions.

    Maazi dear. Thanks for that enlightment. I am glad, very glad.

    Gosh, education is not all it is set out to be….!

    Please, continue the discourse!

  15. After all, unless you are yourself gay why on earth would you spend every waking hour obsessing over what we do or don’t do in private? Unless of course that’s how you make your living.

    Why on earth would you and other westerners spend hours and so much money campaigning for gayism in Uganda and in Africa? What is your business in our affairs? Why are Westerners obsessed with legalizing gay sex in Africa? Is this the most pressing need of African people? Why is the horrendous situation in war-torn Northern Uganda not attracting the same outrage that westerners express whenever they hear that gayism is being suppressed in some far-flung place which they cannot even locate on the map? Why is gayism so important to you people that you are willing to cut useless donor aid for it, but not willing to do so for corruption which most africans are concerned about? Surely, it cannot be concern about your tax dollars going to donor aid since there are countries which do not receive aid packages, but still get similarly slammed for enforcing its anti-gay laws.

  16. No such thing. Ignorance? An almost universal characteristic of our continent. So why carry out a poll, to prove what we already know – that you and thousands of others are kept in, or feed on with avidity, your almost utter ignorance of matters sexual?

    As a British-educated engineer and a person who lived and worked in the USA and have travelled to several parts of the world, I believe I am probably better educated than you. In Uganda, there are many well educated people and they like their poorer compatriots are dead-set against gayism. Even illiterates cannot be said to be necessarily ignorant because acquisition of western education is not a function of intelligence nor is a determinant for cognitive abilities.

    No. As gug says – carry on proving it to the world. And one day – when you are actually interested in expanding your mental horizons, we will still be here.

    You can be here for as long as you want be, but you cannot change certain facts and realities, which will always keep our mental horizons focussed on what is commonsense. I am talking of the following facts——

    FIRST FACT:

    Gay sex is deviant because the anus is not a sexual organ. Those who insist it is always suffer anal tears and bleeding which transforms them into the one of the highest vectors of sexually transmitted diseases ranging from common gonorrhea to syphilis to HIV/AIDS to the rare, but almost gay-specific rectal gonorrhea. Even several gay-friendly Western governments are clever enough to realize that their health authorities must bar sodomites from blood donation to control HIV infection rates. As you may well know, Africa has enough problems dealing with AIDS fuelled by the normal “man-to-woman” sexual relations and do not need to complicate matters by encouraging gay sex which will turn out stranger sexual diseases (e.g. rectal gonorrea) which our health authorities are not equipped to handle. Gayism is better kept supressed, underground and away from impressionable youths since we can assume it is learned behaviour since there is no CREDIBLE scientific evidence that it is “genetic” or “inborn”.

    SECOND FACT:

    If all humans were to engage exclusively in same-sex activity, then the world as we know it would cease to exist as there would be no procreation. No procreation means the extinction of the human race. No amount of abstract talk about the highly subjective definition and scope of human rights would wash away the facts I have already mentioned above. Finally, I see no reason why I should expanding my mental horizons to accommodate an aberrant sexual activity which is useless to Africa and has no benefits whatsoever for collective humanity.

  17. @Maazi

    Okay so lets have a disciplined dialog if you don’t mind.

    I tried to emphasize the essence of our (all beings) existence, namely love. You refuse and reduce the stake, and I am sorry to say this but yourself too, to “deviant sexual behaviour”, why you obsess about it is still beyond me.

    May I now pose some questions to you

    1. what exactly do you refer to with “deviant sexual behaviour”

    2. why do you give the bedroom details such attention

    3. If its the way you tell that “I do not hate GayUganda whom I have never met before in my life. However, I do not feel that I need to support his deviant sexual behaviour” then what is the feeling you harbor about GayUganda. Do you love him just as any of your African brothers and sisters you seem to care dearly about?

    4. When it comes to “become a western libertarian”, well you seem indeed to cherry pick part of the fruit of those values, and the question is exactly who gives you precedence to pick parts that are convenient to you and those like minded only and shove it in others throat?

    5. Please define exactly what in being liberal was it you were objecting against?

    6. What order of society do you instead promote?

    7. Why do you choose to represent others “Africans”? Why don’t you instead talk about your opinion? Do you feel your assertion becomes less fallible or more valid if you have more heads behind it?

    Please try to address these questions in a straight forward manner and not in recursive and script citing manner, because scripts and their interpretation are as you very well know debatable, in the light of how they have been cited against ethnic groups and in any measure intolerable circumstances.

    If there is any question you might have to me I would be very happy to answer those?

    I still believe love will conquer! Do you?

  18. In my opinion, what Maazi is doing is offering a parody of the most intransigent, least educated, most closeted voices both in Uganda and here in the US. After all, unless you are yourself gay why on earth would you spend every waking hour obsessing over what we do or don’t do in private? Unless of course that’s how you make your living. But if you look on his postings as comedy they can be enjoyed in the way he intends: to show in the most graphic manner just how shallow and ill-informed a man like Ssempa is. Bahati would seem to be a different kettle of fish; an opportunist reckoning he’s found an easy path to influence. Sometimes he cuts quite near the knuckle, it’s true, but only to more dramatically expose the anti-gay hysteria for what it is.

    The vocabulary he has invented is as hilarious as it is ridiculous. Gayism is my favorite word of the year.

    Of course, we here in the States are doing the best we can to keep abreast of the situation in Uganda. This writers of this blog and Box Turtle Bulletin have worked hard to keep us informed. We read gug and are ready to help when and if our help is needed. Believe me when I say that all gay Ugandans are in our thoughts. And Maazi is doing his bit by reminding us all of the emptiness of the anti-gay rhetoric current in Uganda by pushing the language just a little till it falls off the edge of reason into nonsense. And by doing that he reminds us how close to the edge such language is.

    I’ve written before that I suspect he’s a gay boy in Washington or the Village here in New York. He keeps his identity to himself and is, in fact, at his funniest as he parades his ‘Ugandaness’ before us, capturing perfectly the aggrieved tone of the post-colonial petty official. I salute him and can’t wait for further installments of his dispatches from cloud-cuckoo land.

  19. “Gayism”? No such thing. “Deviant “? No such thing. Ignorance? An almost universal characteristic of our continent. So why carry out a poll, to prove what we already know – that you and thousands of others are kept in, or feed on with avidity, your almost utter ignorance of matters sexual?

    No. As gug says – carry on proving it to the world. And one day – when you are actually interested in expanding your mental horizons, we will still be here.

  20. Any person who is against gayism is accused of being hateful and ignorant.

    No. Only the hateful ignorant ones.

  21. I would guess most of the people reading this blog are very familiar with his kind of anti-gay hatred and the ignorance that breeds it.

    Very typical !!! Any person who is against gayism is accused of being hateful and ignorant. It is a well worn road for the euro-american gay propagandist lobby. I do not hate GayUganda whom I have never met before in my life. However, I do not feel that I need to support his deviant sexual behaviour or become a western libertarian like Mr. Throckmorton in order to prove that I don’t hate him. Having said that, it is important for you chaps not to deny reality, which is that gayism simply has no room in Africa. This is the consensus opinion among the vast majority of the continent’s people. If you doubt it, please carry out a vox populi in all African cities, including those where gayism is not criminalized by law, but is still overwhelmingly rejected by society.

  22. After all, unless you are yourself gay why on earth would you spend every waking hour obsessing over what we do or don’t do in private? Unless of course that’s how you make your living.

    Why on earth would you and other westerners spend hours and so much money campaigning for gayism in Uganda and in Africa? What is your business in our affairs? Why are Westerners obsessed with legalizing gay sex in Africa? Is this the most pressing need of African people? Why is the horrendous situation in war-torn Northern Uganda not attracting the same outrage that westerners express whenever they hear that gayism is being suppressed in some far-flung place which they cannot even locate on the map? Why is gayism so important to you people that you are willing to cut useless donor aid for it, but not willing to do so for corruption which most africans are concerned about? Surely, it cannot be concern about your tax dollars going to donor aid since there are countries which do not receive aid packages, but still get similarly slammed for enforcing its anti-gay laws.

  23. No such thing. Ignorance? An almost universal characteristic of our continent. So why carry out a poll, to prove what we already know – that you and thousands of others are kept in, or feed on with avidity, your almost utter ignorance of matters sexual?

    As a British-educated engineer and a person who lived and worked in the USA and have travelled to several parts of the world, I believe I am probably better educated than you. In Uganda, there are many well educated people and they like their poorer compatriots are dead-set against gayism. Even illiterates cannot be said to be necessarily ignorant because acquisition of western education is not a function of intelligence nor is a determinant for cognitive abilities.

    No. As gug says – carry on proving it to the world. And one day – when you are actually interested in expanding your mental horizons, we will still be here.

    You can be here for as long as you want be, but you cannot change certain facts and realities, which will always keep our mental horizons focussed on what is commonsense. I am talking of the following facts——

    FIRST FACT:

    Gay sex is deviant because the anus is not a sexual organ. Those who insist it is always suffer anal tears and bleeding which transforms them into the one of the highest vectors of sexually transmitted diseases ranging from common gonorrhea to syphilis to HIV/AIDS to the rare, but almost gay-specific rectal gonorrhea. Even several gay-friendly Western governments are clever enough to realize that their health authorities must bar sodomites from blood donation to control HIV infection rates. As you may well know, Africa has enough problems dealing with AIDS fuelled by the normal “man-to-woman” sexual relations and do not need to complicate matters by encouraging gay sex which will turn out stranger sexual diseases (e.g. rectal gonorrea) which our health authorities are not equipped to handle. Gayism is better kept supressed, underground and away from impressionable youths since we can assume it is learned behaviour since there is no CREDIBLE scientific evidence that it is “genetic” or “inborn”.

    SECOND FACT:

    If all humans were to engage exclusively in same-sex activity, then the world as we know it would cease to exist as there would be no procreation. No procreation means the extinction of the human race. No amount of abstract talk about the highly subjective definition and scope of human rights would wash away the facts I have already mentioned above. Finally, I see no reason why I should expanding my mental horizons to accommodate an aberrant sexual activity which is useless to Africa and has no benefits whatsoever for collective humanity.

  24. @Maazi

    Okay so lets have a disciplined dialog if you don’t mind.

    I tried to emphasize the essence of our (all beings) existence, namely love. You refuse and reduce the stake, and I am sorry to say this but yourself too, to “deviant sexual behaviour”, why you obsess about it is still beyond me.

    May I now pose some questions to you

    1. what exactly do you refer to with “deviant sexual behaviour”

    2. why do you give the bedroom details such attention

    3. If its the way you tell that “I do not hate GayUganda whom I have never met before in my life. However, I do not feel that I need to support his deviant sexual behaviour” then what is the feeling you harbor about GayUganda. Do you love him just as any of your African brothers and sisters you seem to care dearly about?

    4. When it comes to “become a western libertarian”, well you seem indeed to cherry pick part of the fruit of those values, and the question is exactly who gives you precedence to pick parts that are convenient to you and those like minded only and shove it in others throat?

    5. Please define exactly what in being liberal was it you were objecting against?

    6. What order of society do you instead promote?

    7. Why do you choose to represent others “Africans”? Why don’t you instead talk about your opinion? Do you feel your assertion becomes less fallible or more valid if you have more heads behind it?

    Please try to address these questions in a straight forward manner and not in recursive and script citing manner, because scripts and their interpretation are as you very well know debatable, in the light of how they have been cited against ethnic groups and in any measure intolerable circumstances.

    If there is any question you might have to me I would be very happy to answer those?

    I still believe love will conquer! Do you?

  25. In my opinion, what Maazi is doing is offering a parody of the most intransigent, least educated, most closeted voices both in Uganda and here in the US. After all, unless you are yourself gay why on earth would you spend every waking hour obsessing over what we do or don’t do in private? Unless of course that’s how you make your living. But if you look on his postings as comedy they can be enjoyed in the way he intends: to show in the most graphic manner just how shallow and ill-informed a man like Ssempa is. Bahati would seem to be a different kettle of fish; an opportunist reckoning he’s found an easy path to influence. Sometimes he cuts quite near the knuckle, it’s true, but only to more dramatically expose the anti-gay hysteria for what it is.

    The vocabulary he has invented is as hilarious as it is ridiculous. Gayism is my favorite word of the year.

    Of course, we here in the States are doing the best we can to keep abreast of the situation in Uganda. This writers of this blog and Box Turtle Bulletin have worked hard to keep us informed. We read gug and are ready to help when and if our help is needed. Believe me when I say that all gay Ugandans are in our thoughts. And Maazi is doing his bit by reminding us all of the emptiness of the anti-gay rhetoric current in Uganda by pushing the language just a little till it falls off the edge of reason into nonsense. And by doing that he reminds us how close to the edge such language is.

    I’ve written before that I suspect he’s a gay boy in Washington or the Village here in New York. He keeps his identity to himself and is, in fact, at his funniest as he parades his ‘Ugandaness’ before us, capturing perfectly the aggrieved tone of the post-colonial petty official. I salute him and can’t wait for further installments of his dispatches from cloud-cuckoo land.

  26. gayuganda,

    You shouldn’t worry too much about people (who read this blog) taking Maazi seriously. I would guess most of the people reading this blog are very familiar with his kind of anti-gay hatred and the ignorance that breeds it.

    that said, I would encourage you (and other ugandans) to post here, otherwise some might get the impression all ugandans are as hateful and ignorant as Maazi is.

  27. Gayuganda, I will try to chime in here, why should you have to deal with such burden alone.

    Europeans saw africans once upon a time as wild, sensual monkeys in the jungle. They just couldn’t look beyond our colors. The target seem to have moved slightly now to us gays, and ever more to GLBT of African descent by those with African descent that doesn’t seem to be able to see beyond our bedroom activities, for a reason that is beyond me.

    Something tells me that there will always be those who choose to hate for one or the other reason, may it be that they feel its founded in their beliefs (well unbelievable as that may be) or that the mere notion of something is distasteful for cultural or some other reason.

    I just hope everyone knows it, there can never ever be true, valid and consistent reason for hate, unless there is a truly psychopatic tendency we are dealing with. We are all victims of the tides of our time. This short time we find ourselves on this earth. Why then do we choose to dedicate it to hate is yet another issue beyond me.

    Regardless what, i really hope we gays will hopefully be the last hate target some individuals or group of invdividuals seem to put up, the last groups to be despised and cornered by societies. I somehow believe we will sustain, we will become the group that will bring the beauty in life, we will bring the worthy part of life that the world seem to have browsed past, you remember what that is I hope, LOVE.

    Its all about love, if you can’t love then its not worth living, running around without amour is just beneath the level of being a robot.

    Now promise me to try these:

    – go home to your partner today and celebrate your love for each other

    – go home to your friends today and celebrate your love for each other

    Believe that love will conquer it all

    We gays love you UNCONDITIONALLY

    We have no other to turn to

    We know only how to live on this earth

    We were brought the way we are

    We are told that’s not true

    In spite of how we are and feel

    Most of us are therefore mighty confused

    Most of us are desperate and long for love and acceptance

    Most of us endure this life without being loved nor accepted

    Most of us bury our souls out of sheer fear

    Most of us bury our souls so deep that we never find it back

    Most of us align ourselves

    A few of us seem to somehow manage to be just the way we are

    Lost on this scale of self realization and self denial

    All this makes some of us question

    Question what’s the point of being

    In that process some of us decide to not live anymore

    Some of us persist

    But we continue to love your UNCONDITIONALLY

    But honestly what’s the point

    IF NOT LOVE

  28. “Gayism”? No such thing. “Deviant “? No such thing. Ignorance? An almost universal characteristic of our continent. So why carry out a poll, to prove what we already know – that you and thousands of others are kept in, or feed on with avidity, your almost utter ignorance of matters sexual?

    No. As gug says – carry on proving it to the world. And one day – when you are actually interested in expanding your mental horizons, we will still be here.

  29. Any person who is against gayism is accused of being hateful and ignorant.

    No. Only the hateful ignorant ones.

  30. Gayuganda, I will try to chime in here, why should you have to deal with such burden alone.

    Europeans saw africans once upon a time as wild, sensual monkeys in the jungle. They just couldn’t look beyond our colors. The target seem to have moved slightly now to us gays, and ever more to GLBT of African descent by those with African descent that doesn’t seem to be able to see beyond our bedroom activities, for a reason that is beyond me.

    Something tells me that there will always be those who choose to hate for one or the other reason, may it be that they feel its founded in their beliefs (well unbelievable as that may be) or that the mere notion of something is distasteful for cultural or some other reason.

    I just hope everyone knows it, there can never ever be true, valid and consistent reason for hate, unless there is a truly psychopatic tendency we are dealing with. We are all victims of the tides of our time. This short time we find ourselves on this earth. Why then do we choose to dedicate it to hate is yet another issue beyond me.

    Regardless what, i really hope we gays will hopefully be the last hate target some individuals or group of invdividuals seem to put up, the last groups to be despised and cornered by societies. I somehow believe we will sustain, we will become the group that will bring the beauty in life, we will bring the worthy part of life that the world seem to have browsed past, you remember what that is I hope, LOVE.

    Its all about love, if you can’t love then its not worth living, running around without amour is just beneath the level of being a robot.

    Now promise me to try these:

    – go home to your partner today and celebrate your love for each other

    – go home to your friends today and celebrate your love for each other

    Believe that love will conquer it all

    We gays love you UNCONDITIONALLY

    We have no other to turn to

    We know only how to live on this earth

    We were brought the way we are

    We are told that’s not true

    In spite of how we are and feel

    Most of us are therefore mighty confused

    Most of us are desperate and long for love and acceptance

    Most of us endure this life without being loved nor accepted

    Most of us bury our souls out of sheer fear

    Most of us bury our souls so deep that we never find it back

    Most of us align ourselves

    A few of us seem to somehow manage to be just the way we are

    Lost on this scale of self realization and self denial

    All this makes some of us question

    Question what’s the point of being

    In that process some of us decide to not live anymore

    Some of us persist

    But we continue to love your UNCONDITIONALLY

    But honestly what’s the point

    IF NOT LOVE

  31. Gosh, Maazi,

    I am not asking your host to kick you out.

    Certainly not. Certainly not. He has given you a forum to air your views, and you are doing splendidly. Go ahead.

    I just have a problem when you speak in my name as an African. Or claim to speak in the name of all us Africans.

    I simply object to being lumped together with you in your opinions. Especially in this forum. If you choose to shout aloud your opinions, why, go ahead…. they seem to edify you more than anything else.

    Just dont lump all of us together with you, dont you think that is fair? After all, you wouldnt want to be lumped with this shameful gay African, would you? So, dont.

    But, do go ahead and air your views. Your host doesnt object. Sorry if I gave you the impression that I wanted you not to.

    Faith, I want you to continue saying what you do. In your name…!

  32. Your host on this blog has given you the space.

    GayUganda,

    It seems you are unhappy that Mr. Throckmorton has given space for a truly representative voice of Africa to speak. Perhaps, you will prefer to be given sole access to the blog so that you can deceive your American patrons into believing that gayism is acceptable to many Africans. Anyway, you can take this issue up with him. Even if he bars me from further comment to please you, it will not silence the view of the vast majority of Ugandans that there is simply no room for aberrant sexual activity in our nation.

    Maazi, speak for yourself….. Dont speak for the rest of Uganda. Or for Africa.

    I am confident that I speak for most Ugandans and most Africans when I say that your deviant sexual behaviour is unAfrican, depraved and inhuman. From surveys conducted by several pollsters, it is well known that population majorities of 90% and above in each of Africa’s 53 nations are dead opposed to sodomy. So I can say with confidence that my viewpoint is indeed the consensus opinion of all Africa. Your own opinion—on the other hand— is only respected in the liberal West.

    As a Ugandan, his blatant obtuseness ashames me.

    You are the one who is being obtuse because as an African you should know that your behaviour can never be acceptable given the communal structure of our society. If you think that Africans will magically transform into latte-drinking hedonistic social liberals of USA then you are even more obtuse than I thought.

    You shame us.

    No sane African is ashamed of a fellow African who insists that our culture and traditions must never be subverted by perverted western ideas such as “gay rights”, “gay marriage” and “child adoption rights for gay couples”. On the other hand, your sexual behaviour is a shame to yourself, your family, our nation and to the continent of Africa.

  33. Hey, I am irritated. Very irritated.

    I am an African. I am gay. And, I am a Ugandan… like the guy Maazi above.

    No, he does not speak for us Africans. I know many of us are homophobes, but the likes of Maazi and Ssempa just go ahead and air their nonsense with little respect for the facts on the ground.

    I repeat, I am gay, and I am a Ugandan. I am not western. My parents and other ancestors were African.

    And, as an African, Maazi shames me. As a Ugandan, his blatant obtuseness ashames me.

    As a gay Ugandan, I kind of expect it. but please, dont do Africans the dishonour of generalising that Maazi speaks for Africans, or Ugandans.

    No, am not that fluent in English, but I do hope I am getting the gist of my ire across.

    Maazi, speak for yourself. Your host on this blog has given you the space. Dont speak for the rest of Uganda. Or for Africa. You shame us.

    gug

  34. Hey, I am irritated. Very irritated.

    I am an African. I am gay. And, I am a Ugandan… like the guy Maazi above.

    No, he does not speak for us Africans. I know many of us are homophobes, but the likes of Maazi and Ssempa just go ahead and air their nonsense with little respect for the facts on the ground.

    I repeat, I am gay, and I am a Ugandan. I am not western. My parents and other ancestors were African.

    And, as an African, Maazi shames me. As a Ugandan, his blatant obtuseness ashames me.

    As a gay Ugandan, I kind of expect it. but please, dont do Africans the dishonour of generalising that Maazi speaks for Africans, or Ugandans.

    No, am not that fluent in English, but I do hope I am getting the gist of my ire across.

    Maazi, speak for yourself. Your host on this blog has given you the space. Dont speak for the rest of Uganda. Or for Africa. You shame us.

    gug

  35. Again, Maazi brings hilarity to an otherwise bleak and repulsive story. I say, bravo. We need more satire like this to keep things in proportion. But is he (or she) reaching a wide enough audience? Not to downplay professor Throckmorton’s blog but shouldn’t Maazi have his own blog? Maazi Says, for example, where his posts can be collected and enjoyed by many more people? Of course, that might out his (or her) for satire for what it is but it seems a shame it doesn’t reach the audience it deserves.

    Stephen, I am happy that you see the hilarious and entertaining side of my commentary. This is a welcome depature from most Western gay propagandists who prefer to insult me and other Africans for having a view on gayism which contradicts the received wisdom of the highly influential euro-american gay lobby. Of course, it goes without saying that most of my commentary on this blog are not merely themes for your entertainment, but the serious viewpoints of the African people as far as the deviant sexual culture is concerned. Again, thanks for the favourable review.

  36. Again, Maazi brings hilarity to an otherwise bleak and repulsive story. I say, bravo. We need more satire like this to keep things in proportion. But is he (or she) reaching a wide enough audience? Not to downplay professor Throckmorton’s blog but shouldn’t Maazi have his own blog? Maazi Says, for example, where his posts can be collected and enjoyed by many more people? Of course, that might out his (or her) for satire for what it is but it seems a shame it doesn’t reach the audience it deserves.

  37. TYPO CORRECTION:

    Lets hope that the Euro-American gay propagandist websites that depend on you for nearly all their funny stories on Uganda find your stories worthy of dissemination.

    It should have read:

    Lets hope that the Euro-American gay propagandist websites that depend on you for nearly all their funny stories on Uganda find this particular blog story worthy of dissemination.

  38. I called Bishop Ssenyonjo to get his perspective on the meeting…

    Warren,

    Mr. Christopher Senyojo is no longer recognized as a Bishop of the Anglican Church in Uganda. Unless he has been conferred with title of “Bishop” by the Euro-American Gay Lobby or the US Episcopal Church, I see no reason why you should continue with the charade. Any way, I wish Senyojo well in his business of making money from desperate Westerners.

    In short, the meeting with homosexual leaders turns out to be a series of sessions where many people spoke, many of whom were not homosexual. Apparently, the series of meetings was organized by unnamed researchers from Makerere University.

    Wow !! And you deemed this story worthy of reporting in your blog? Must be your obsession with Martin Ssempa. Lets hope that the Euro-American gay propagandist websites that depend on you for nearly all their funny stories on Uganda find your stories worthy of dissemination.

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