Comments on: Will Christian Nationalists Let Us Have Baseball on Sunday?

By: seashell

seashell — Thu, 27 Oct 2022 18:31:49 +0000

Frontline and the Associated Press teamed up to make a documentary, Michael Flynn’s Holy War, The movement that is “attracting election deniers, conspiracists and extremists from around the country.”

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By: AHH

AHH — Fri, 21 Oct 2022 13:46:39 +0000

In reply to donjonesmd. That is legit according to John Fea's excellent book, Was America Founded as a Christian Nation? A Historical Introduction. Of course the quote is not specifically Christian, since the Unitarian Adams was not an orthodox Christian at all. Fea devotes a chapter to Adams. Anybody who uses that quote in support of Christian nationalism is being either ignorant or dishonest. Like many of the Founders, Adams thought religion shaped the sort of citizens that the new country needed, but did not envision that religion needing to specifically be Christianity. Fea also documents Adams' rejection of Christian orthodoxy, for example strongly rejecting the Trinity and the deity of Jesus. Here's one quote from Adams: An incarnate God!!! An eternal, self-existent omnipresent omniscient Author of this stupendous Universe suffering on a Cross!!! My Soul starts with horror, at the Idea.

By: AHH

AHH — Fri, 21 Oct 2022 09:46:39 +0000

In reply to donjonesmd. That is legit according to John Fea's excellent book, Was America Founded as a Christian Nation? A Historical Introduction. Of course the quote is not specifically Christian, since the Unitarian Adams was not an orthodox Christian at all. Fea devotes a chapter to Adams. Anybody who uses that quote in support of Christian nationalism is being either ignorant or dishonest. Like many of the Founders, Adams thought religion shaped the sort of citizens that the new country needed, but did not envision that religion needing to specifically be Christianity. Fea also documents Adams' rejection of Christian orthodoxy, for example strongly rejecting the Trinity and the deity of Jesus. Here's one quote from Adams: An incarnate God!!! An eternal, self-existent omnipresent Author of this stupendous Universe suffering on a Cross!!! My Soul starts with horror, at the Idea.

By: donjonesmd

donjonesmd — Thu, 20 Oct 2022 09:15:28 +0000

So is this an accurate quote or not from John Adams – “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” I haven’t found anything that indicates it is spurious.

By: Ellie made it to 2022

Ellie made it to 2022 — Fri, 30 Sep 2022 09:04:15 +0000

Since “Christian Nationalists” worship Mammon rather than the Triune God, they would most certainly allow a money maker like baseball, to be played any day of the week.

By: OrthoAnabaptist

OrthoAnabaptist — Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:35:18 +0000

I’m glad you point out the adjacency of National Conservatism and Christian Nationalism… In the reading I’ve done, I’m not sure there’s much difference (other than maybe there’s more educated Catholics in NC and more anti-intellectual charismatic kooks in the other… ) A pox on both of them no matter how together or apart they are!

By: rrhersh

rrhersh — Wed, 28 Sep 2022 07:39:12 +0000

The history of Sunday baseball wars is older than you present. The relevant book, if you are really interested, is “Sunday Baseball” by Charlie Bevis. Some clubs playing on Sunday goes back to the 1880s, typically in areas with large Lutheran or Catholic populations, Sabbatarianism being really a WASP thing. You also find some venue shopping, clubs seeking out a nearly ungodly jurisdiction. Gloucester, New Jersey served this function for Philadelphia.

This all was mildly embarrassing by the mid-20th century. Only fundamentalists still cared, and even they were looking for an out. Billy Graham gave them permission to go to a game after church, and that largely was that. Nowadays, in my experience, the usual response to this discussion is to deny that it ever was an issue, in the same way that these people claim that of course they would have marched with Dr. King. Or, in the baseball context, they would have been gently reproving the fans shouting epithets at Jackie Robinson.

By: otrotierra

otrotierra — Tue, 27 Sep 2022 17:30:41 +0000

Well, Christian Nationalists are known for their hatred of all things history, historical development, historical records, and historiography.

By: ken

ken — Tue, 27 Sep 2022 16:17:19 +0000

Personally, I could care less about baseball, but you try to take away SUNDAY FOOTBALL and we will definitely have a problem.