“I think JM might be making the mistake of thinking that “freedom” is about ‘doing whatever you want’,”

More likely he probably thinks it means “doing whatever god says” and of course JM is god’s interpreter.

Yes, maybe …

I think JM might be making the mistake of thinking that “freedom” is about ‘doing whatever you want’, which actually leads to something akin to ‘the survival of the fittest’ (hence my ‘Darwinism’ jibe – which, if he claims to be Christian, he probably won’t appreciate!). It’s a common mistake, I reckon. True freedom and personal and social responsibility go hand-in-hand.

Whether the vaccines are ‘genuine vaccines’, or really ‘preventative therapies’ (a reasonable point to make, to be fair), is ultimately not relevant: the facts show that the dramatically improve people’s chances of living or not being hospitalized.

Terribly sorry to hear about your dad. My sincere condolences.

I think JM might be making the mistake of thinking that “freedom” is about ‘doing whatever you want’, which actually leads to something akin to ‘the survival of the fittest’ (hence my ‘Darwinism’ jibe – which, if he claims to be Christian, he probably won’t appreciate!). It’s a common mistake, I reckon. True freedom and personal and social responsibility go hand-in-hand.

Whether the vaccines are ‘genuine vaccines’, or really ‘preventative therapies’ (a reasonable point to make, to be fair), is ultimately not relevant: the facts shown that they dramatically improve people’s chances of living or not being hospitalized.

Terribly sorry to hear about your dad. My sincere condolences.

But you cannot deny that, generally, vaccination has had a hugely positive effect in many places. In the UK, for example, cases have been much higher this winter than last, but deaths at around just one fifth of last year’s level. Granted, this may be partly due to the less virulent nature of the Omicron strains, but the much more deadly Delta variant is still at large. I accept that, in the long run, some sort of herd immunity, maybe coupled with periodic boosters, is probably the only game in town; vaccination is a way of reaching that situation more quickly.

Another point: dying of COVID is not a ‘nice way to go’, and the kind of talk that says “well, it’s only the old and sick” sounds all rather Darwinian to me … These “old and sick people” are others’ spouses, parents, siblings, friends …

If healthcare services are under strain from unnecessarily high numbers of people being hospitalized with COVID, there is less capacity to treat the old and sick people that you love.

Get your jabs, honey!

I doubt it somehow!

I have a friend over 60, he almost died from Delta and his wife did after a long time in ICU. He believed such crap as this guy is pedaling. He got vaxed after all of this happened. How tragic it is!

Dr. John from the video I posted elsewhere on this post has gone over data from many countries all over the world and all of it has shown this same thing. This is true for both deaths and hospitalization rates. This is true in highly vaccinated countries, like Israel which is #1 to low vaxed third world countries. The casualties are higher in the countries without access to vaccines for everyone like we have here. This is the most clear fact that anyone can see when that truth is what they are looking for. But being a psyche professor you know that there are paranoid people who only listen to the demons in their heads. I am well acquainted with mental illness. Being unable to see it when you are not right is tragic. I have known some people like that. It is just sad.

Most of the people I know are Christians and over 50. I got vaxed in April. I know of no one else that willing did and by the stats that is just stupid. People do not understand narcissists in our own government. They do not want to kill everyone. They want their votes and money. This is a different problem but treating the other party like they all want to kill you or take your freedoms all away is also just plain stupid. There is nothing Christian in paranoia. Christ came to save and to bring a sound mind and peace. This guys comments makes me think about the truth of this: “For this is what the LORD has spoken to me with a strong hand, instructing me not to walk in the way of this people: Do not call conspiracy everything this people calls a conspiracy; do not fear what they fear, and do not dread it. The LORD Almighty is the one you are to regard as holy, he is the one you are to fear, he is the one you are to dread.”