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	Comments on: Sutton Turner Releases Notes from the 2014 Mark Driscoll Elder Investigation	</title>
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		By: Priscilla Frye		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Priscilla Frye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Feb 2022 15:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113764&quot;&gt;Mr Jesperson&lt;/a&gt;.

As the daughter of a trial lawyer, I would REVEL in the discovery process!]]></description>
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<p>As the daughter of a trial lawyer, I would REVEL in the discovery process!</p>
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		By: Mr Jesperson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jan 2022 01:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113758&quot;&gt;Think about it!&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Where did ALL the money go?&quot;  Is that not the big question?  John 8:44 refers to Jesus calling the scribes and teachers of the law as children of the Devil who do his bidding and not God&#039;s.  Has anything changed?  Turner sure made some pretty coin for some years as part of a system that fleeced a flock.  That is why I will keep telling him that if he wants to complete his repentance that he needs to feel so sorry about that that he gives the money back.  That is why greedy tax gatherers like Zacchaeus make it into the Kingdom before the religious elite.  Jesus said that we all have to choose a God to serve and you cannot become rich in Mammon by serving the real Jesus.  Their actions showed which God they are serving.  

This is not a petty thing.  The year my brother died I was shown a holding cell in hell reserved for goat Christians.  The most real place I have ever experienced.  I would not wish this place on men as evil as Turner and Driscoll.  I hope Turner does the right thing and renounces his religious based greed.  I can see Jesus pointing me out to him on Judgment Day and asking him, &quot;why did you not listen to truth?&quot;  &quot;What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his very soul?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113758">Think about it!</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Where did ALL the money go?&#8221;  Is that not the big question?  John 8:44 refers to Jesus calling the scribes and teachers of the law as children of the Devil who do his bidding and not God&#8217;s.  Has anything changed?  Turner sure made some pretty coin for some years as part of a system that fleeced a flock.  That is why I will keep telling him that if he wants to complete his repentance that he needs to feel so sorry about that that he gives the money back.  That is why greedy tax gatherers like Zacchaeus make it into the Kingdom before the religious elite.  Jesus said that we all have to choose a God to serve and you cannot become rich in Mammon by serving the real Jesus.  Their actions showed which God they are serving.  </p>
<p>This is not a petty thing.  The year my brother died I was shown a holding cell in hell reserved for goat Christians.  The most real place I have ever experienced.  I would not wish this place on men as evil as Turner and Driscoll.  I hope Turner does the right thing and renounces his religious based greed.  I can see Jesus pointing me out to him on Judgment Day and asking him, &#8220;why did you not listen to truth?&#8221;  &#8220;What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but lose his very soul?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Priscilla Frye		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Priscilla Frye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2022 21:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113748&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

I see no upside to Driscoll suing anyone involved in his former Ministry at this point.  All it would do is generate publicity for his past misdeeds and bring them further to the attention of his current congregation.  Then there would be the pesky problem of defendants&#039; attorneys filing discovery motions against Driscoll.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113748">ken</a>.</p>
<p>I see no upside to Driscoll suing anyone involved in his former Ministry at this point.  All it would do is generate publicity for his past misdeeds and bring them further to the attention of his current congregation.  Then there would be the pesky problem of defendants&#8217; attorneys filing discovery motions against Driscoll.</p>
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		By: Mr Jesperson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Jesperson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2022 20:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113760&quot;&gt;Priscilla Frye&lt;/a&gt;.

I would love to see discovery happen.  I think Warren would even more so...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113760">Priscilla Frye</a>.</p>
<p>I would love to see discovery happen.  I think Warren would even more so&#8230;</p>
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		By: David Stafford		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Stafford]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2022 17:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113741&quot;&gt;Sutton Turner&lt;/a&gt;.

The Religion of Clicks....a popular house of worship.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113741">Sutton Turner</a>.</p>
<p>The Religion of Clicks&#8230;.a popular house of worship.</p>
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		By: Sutton Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sutton Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2022 16:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113760&quot;&gt;Priscilla Frye&lt;/a&gt;.

Hope so, hard not to fall right back into the fear.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113760">Priscilla Frye</a>.</p>
<p>Hope so, hard not to fall right back into the fear.</p>
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		By: Think about it!		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Think about it!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2022 04:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113744&quot;&gt;Sutton Turner&lt;/a&gt;.

Learn from my mistakes.  Had read OVER 140 Hours on a Ministry of just horrific, evil, vile, wicked abuses and gave it to the RCAL (Report Church Abuse List) and the majority of it got removed/scrubbed and NOT even in the way back machine; know ANYTHING can be retrieved as seen in a Court Case.  Make copies of everything, forced me to look at entire Ministry and all their Jezebel (satanism) in other Ministries; unreal what discovered as NOT living in truth is The Occult.  Even Dr. Ron Enroth had done Clarion Call about wanting to know about this Ministry.  Bait, was saying they were an Apostolic and Prophetic Ministry when they were NOT; lies of all that. 
  

Found out that Satanist/Luciferians and Mormons and Catholics are funding Churches/Pastors makes a Book.  Think it&#039;s pretty bad, as someone sent me a Worship Video where singing to the Blood of satan and interviewed Reporter who interviewed the whistleblower.  Even a Lawyer contacted about &quot;as had documents on desk satanist entire time in ministry&quot;.  &quot;NOTHING gives it away more than lifestyle&quot;, Jesus Christ attributes vs. &quot;playboy evangelist/pastors&quot;. &quot;Apostolic Foundations, Prophetic Call; Reality the Hope of Glory&quot; by Katz and Why Revival Tarries/America is Too Young to Die-Ravenhill; as it&#039;s all in the Bible.  Explain the OVER 60 year horrific homosexual, child molestation/pedophile cover-up in Hillsong by &quot;assassins of their god&quot; as really appreciated &quot;why our church no longer, listens to bethel, hillsong and elevation music&quot; finally had true church.  What gets me, is you can be in heinous sin and still be in ministry and live the lifestyle and yet NEVER live James 1:27/Matthew 25:31-end or LOVE!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113744">Sutton Turner</a>.</p>
<p>Learn from my mistakes.  Had read OVER 140 Hours on a Ministry of just horrific, evil, vile, wicked abuses and gave it to the RCAL (Report Church Abuse List) and the majority of it got removed/scrubbed and NOT even in the way back machine; know ANYTHING can be retrieved as seen in a Court Case.  Make copies of everything, forced me to look at entire Ministry and all their Jezebel (satanism) in other Ministries; unreal what discovered as NOT living in truth is The Occult.  Even Dr. Ron Enroth had done Clarion Call about wanting to know about this Ministry.  Bait, was saying they were an Apostolic and Prophetic Ministry when they were NOT; lies of all that. </p>
<p>Found out that Satanist/Luciferians and Mormons and Catholics are funding Churches/Pastors makes a Book.  Think it&#8217;s pretty bad, as someone sent me a Worship Video where singing to the Blood of satan and interviewed Reporter who interviewed the whistleblower.  Even a Lawyer contacted about &#8220;as had documents on desk satanist entire time in ministry&#8221;.  &#8220;NOTHING gives it away more than lifestyle&#8221;, Jesus Christ attributes vs. &#8220;playboy evangelist/pastors&#8221;. &#8220;Apostolic Foundations, Prophetic Call; Reality the Hope of Glory&#8221; by Katz and Why Revival Tarries/America is Too Young to Die-Ravenhill; as it&#8217;s all in the Bible.  Explain the OVER 60 year horrific homosexual, child molestation/pedophile cover-up in Hillsong by &#8220;assassins of their god&#8221; as really appreciated &#8220;why our church no longer, listens to bethel, hillsong and elevation music&#8221; finally had true church.  What gets me, is you can be in heinous sin and still be in ministry and live the lifestyle and yet NEVER live James 1:27/Matthew 25:31-end or LOVE!!</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Think about it!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jan 2022 04:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113752&quot;&gt;Sutton Turner&lt;/a&gt;.

Ironic, thinking about today; it&#039;s like MD and my former sociopath, psychopath fear whoremongering, control freak of Pastor; it&#039;s like they came out of the same School.  Learned, to look at like Robert Morris and ALL ministries who put them in position and groomed and discipled them and where did the FUNDING come from; as Religion is Big Business.  Look at all the Genre on Spiritual Abuse and Lies and Truth Speakers exposing. 



Not to mention, anyone who has MD in their pulpit, hmm; all keeping monies in their empire as behavior is more John 8:44. Former Pastor behaved like The Occult didn&#039;t live in truth, lived in darkness, hides sin, sweeps sin under the carpet and made church inane, inept, ineffectual and irrelevant. Bible NOT taught in fullness but stories and rhetoric, no life skills but horrific spiritual abuse. NO Holiness, Righteousness, Repentance, Humility, Prayer, Bible except using like Divination or Tarot Cards to beat the sheep for money as God doesn&#039;t get any money.  Worse, content to live without Holiness as NOT been modeled like A.W. Tozer, Leonard Ravenhill, Arthur Aaron Katz.  Could have sat in any and all movements/regimes and they would have NEVER gone through the Bible completely once from Birth to Death; so it made me look at Religion as a whole which is NOT of God. Galatians talks about and Bible, false teachers, false shepherds.  Majority of us NOT judging fruit and where did ALL the money go and did any of them live James 1:27; Matthew 25:21-end EVER?  How healthy were people that attended and tithed and replaced God with all these King Saul types and what were you going to learn?  Look at our present current Society vs. Pastors/Church. People are the church NOT the Building! Proverbs 9:10!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113752">Sutton Turner</a>.</p>
<p>Ironic, thinking about today; it&#8217;s like MD and my former sociopath, psychopath fear whoremongering, control freak of Pastor; it&#8217;s like they came out of the same School.  Learned, to look at like Robert Morris and ALL ministries who put them in position and groomed and discipled them and where did the FUNDING come from; as Religion is Big Business.  Look at all the Genre on Spiritual Abuse and Lies and Truth Speakers exposing. </p>
<p>Not to mention, anyone who has MD in their pulpit, hmm; all keeping monies in their empire as behavior is more John 8:44. Former Pastor behaved like The Occult didn&#8217;t live in truth, lived in darkness, hides sin, sweeps sin under the carpet and made church inane, inept, ineffectual and irrelevant. Bible NOT taught in fullness but stories and rhetoric, no life skills but horrific spiritual abuse. NO Holiness, Righteousness, Repentance, Humility, Prayer, Bible except using like Divination or Tarot Cards to beat the sheep for money as God doesn&#8217;t get any money.  Worse, content to live without Holiness as NOT been modeled like A.W. Tozer, Leonard Ravenhill, Arthur Aaron Katz.  Could have sat in any and all movements/regimes and they would have NEVER gone through the Bible completely once from Birth to Death; so it made me look at Religion as a whole which is NOT of God. Galatians talks about and Bible, false teachers, false shepherds.  Majority of us NOT judging fruit and where did ALL the money go and did any of them live James 1:27; Matthew 25:21-end EVER?  How healthy were people that attended and tithed and replaced God with all these King Saul types and what were you going to learn?  Look at our present current Society vs. Pastors/Church. People are the church NOT the Building! Proverbs 9:10!</p>
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		By: Sutton Turner		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sutton Turner]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2022 22:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113751&quot;&gt;Luke&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you Luke!  I am so glad it has brought closure.  My goal has been closure and healing for the people hurt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2022/01/13/sutton-turner-releases-notes-from-the-2014-mark-driscoll-elder-investigation/#comment-113751">Luke</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you Luke!  I am so glad it has brought closure.  My goal has been closure and healing for the people hurt.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2022 15:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you, Mr. Turner, for bringing this information forth as your efforts truly make a difference.  I was a Mars Hill Global member &#038; financial supporter starting around 2012 and my family and I reside in the Midwest. As a husband and father of four kids, I try each day to raise my kids to follow after Jesus and feel connected with a church.  We didn&#039;t go to a local church during this time period because my daughter was fighting cancer and we stayed home during her treatment.   We followed Mars Hills church weekly and I started to have my own concerns about what I saw during the sermons and read regarding Mr. Driscoll&#039;s behavior. The behavior from the pulpit at times was down right absurd and some of the stories Mr. Driscoll said that come from the Bible were clearly expansions from his own mind.  

I began reading Mr. Throckmorton&#039;s work and also the &quot;Joyful Exiles&quot; blog prior to 2014.   (Thank you, Mr. Throckmorton, for all of your efforts.)   When Mark &quot;resigned&quot; and then showed up at Gateway Church a week later, that was the final straw for me.  I was actually watching the Gateway conference live when Robert Morris brought out Mr. Driscoll and claimed the whole issue was that Mark &quot;worked too hard&quot;.  Then to hear the crazy stories about their house being under siege, was Mr. Driscoll being flamboyant, a poor is me attitude, and again, lying.   I also have heard and watched nearly all the interviews Mr. Driscoll has done saying &quot;it was a trap&quot; if he stayed at Mars Hills, etc.    For Mr. Driscoll to set up in Phoenix and never speak of Mars Hill again is down right bazaar.  I even watched a few of his first sermons in Phoenix to see what he would say about Mars Hill and he acted like it never happened.  

As an outsider from Mars Hill and to see it go down in flames, it was hard at times to know where the truth was at, yet in my heart I knew Mark had hurt many and done some horrible things.   Mr. Sutton, by you coming forth helps bring closure for my family and I on this issue and we continue on with our relationship with Christ.

I am even more saddened that Mr. Driscoll&#039;s behavior continues on and can cause pain and hurt to others in his new location.  

Thank you, Mr. Throckmorton and Mr. Turner, for all you have done to help heal the wounded and restore what has been damaged.  

God bless, 

Luke]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Mr. Turner, for bringing this information forth as your efforts truly make a difference.  I was a Mars Hill Global member &amp; financial supporter starting around 2012 and my family and I reside in the Midwest. As a husband and father of four kids, I try each day to raise my kids to follow after Jesus and feel connected with a church.  We didn&#8217;t go to a local church during this time period because my daughter was fighting cancer and we stayed home during her treatment.   We followed Mars Hills church weekly and I started to have my own concerns about what I saw during the sermons and read regarding Mr. Driscoll&#8217;s behavior. The behavior from the pulpit at times was down right absurd and some of the stories Mr. Driscoll said that come from the Bible were clearly expansions from his own mind.  </p>
<p>I began reading Mr. Throckmorton&#8217;s work and also the &#8220;Joyful Exiles&#8221; blog prior to 2014.   (Thank you, Mr. Throckmorton, for all of your efforts.)   When Mark &#8220;resigned&#8221; and then showed up at Gateway Church a week later, that was the final straw for me.  I was actually watching the Gateway conference live when Robert Morris brought out Mr. Driscoll and claimed the whole issue was that Mark &#8220;worked too hard&#8221;.  Then to hear the crazy stories about their house being under siege, was Mr. Driscoll being flamboyant, a poor is me attitude, and again, lying.   I also have heard and watched nearly all the interviews Mr. Driscoll has done saying &#8220;it was a trap&#8221; if he stayed at Mars Hills, etc.    For Mr. Driscoll to set up in Phoenix and never speak of Mars Hill again is down right bazaar.  I even watched a few of his first sermons in Phoenix to see what he would say about Mars Hill and he acted like it never happened.  </p>
<p>As an outsider from Mars Hill and to see it go down in flames, it was hard at times to know where the truth was at, yet in my heart I knew Mark had hurt many and done some horrible things.   Mr. Sutton, by you coming forth helps bring closure for my family and I on this issue and we continue on with our relationship with Christ.</p>
<p>I am even more saddened that Mr. Driscoll&#8217;s behavior continues on and can cause pain and hurt to others in his new location.  </p>
<p>Thank you, Mr. Throckmorton and Mr. Turner, for all you have done to help heal the wounded and restore what has been damaged.  </p>
<p>God bless, </p>
<p>Luke</p>
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