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	Comments on: Fall of Mars Hill Church: August 2014 Timeline (with a Bonus Section on Dealing with Bloggers)	</title>
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		By: Think about it!		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 19:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/08/13/fall-of-mars-hill-church-august-2014-timeline-with-a-bonus-section-on-dealing-with-bloggers/#comment-113696&quot;&gt;Sutton Turner&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m NOT sure, why we need to replace God; Bible with Men or Women who were really types of King Saul&#039;s!  Did anyone think to ask MD IF, he was even Christian or was he put in place by Mormons, Satanist and or Catholics to suck out the people&#039;s life, brains, time (which you cannot get back) and or money? Found that in my research, as if you go to: &quot;Hold the presses, MD needs $650,000 more&quot; and &quot;MD Christian Theology vs. Critical Thinking&quot; article; comments to make us think.   

In 2008, was in a meeting where they were talking about satanic role call of pastors and ministries; which makes a Book by John Scura/Dane Phillips.  Can&#039;t recall, if in David Kupelian and Dr. James W. Wardner&#039;s writes also.  Former Editor of Charisma J. Lee Grady should be in his Editorial and Magazine calling a meeting of Leaders to address corruption. Obviously, didn&#039;t do much good seems to have gotten worse; since people not exiting and drying up income.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/08/13/fall-of-mars-hill-church-august-2014-timeline-with-a-bonus-section-on-dealing-with-bloggers/#comment-113696">Sutton Turner</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m NOT sure, why we need to replace God; Bible with Men or Women who were really types of King Saul&#8217;s!  Did anyone think to ask MD IF, he was even Christian or was he put in place by Mormons, Satanist and or Catholics to suck out the people&#8217;s life, brains, time (which you cannot get back) and or money? Found that in my research, as if you go to: &#8220;Hold the presses, MD needs $650,000 more&#8221; and &#8220;MD Christian Theology vs. Critical Thinking&#8221; article; comments to make us think.   </p>
<p>In 2008, was in a meeting where they were talking about satanic role call of pastors and ministries; which makes a Book by John Scura/Dane Phillips.  Can&#8217;t recall, if in David Kupelian and Dr. James W. Wardner&#8217;s writes also.  Former Editor of Charisma J. Lee Grady should be in his Editorial and Magazine calling a meeting of Leaders to address corruption. Obviously, didn&#8217;t do much good seems to have gotten worse; since people not exiting and drying up income.</p>
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		By: Sutton Turner		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2021 22:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/08/13/fall-of-mars-hill-church-august-2014-timeline-with-a-bonus-section-on-dealing-with-bloggers/#comment-113694&quot;&gt;Think about it!&lt;/a&gt;.

I appreciate your comments.  I need to own and help out as many people as possible.  I am a sinner, than needs forgiveness that Jesus provides.  
Some, like Driscoll, run from their sin or claim he is a victim.  That helps NO ONE, and hurts many.  I have seen that from the front row.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/08/13/fall-of-mars-hill-church-august-2014-timeline-with-a-bonus-section-on-dealing-with-bloggers/#comment-113694">Think about it!</a>.</p>
<p>I appreciate your comments.  I need to own and help out as many people as possible.  I am a sinner, than needs forgiveness that Jesus provides.<br />
Some, like Driscoll, run from their sin or claim he is a victim.  That helps NO ONE, and hurts many.  I have seen that from the front row.</p>
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		By: Think about it!		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Think about it!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Dec 2021 22:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/08/13/fall-of-mars-hill-church-august-2014-timeline-with-a-bonus-section-on-dealing-with-bloggers/#comment-113098&quot;&gt;Sutton Turner&lt;/a&gt;.

Sutton Turner: God knows your Heart!  At least, your talking and apologizing, acknowledging MHC abuses and your part.  Don&#039;t let someone play judge and jury as come out of a horrific abusive church like this and NO one ever acknowledged or apologized for all it&#039;s horrific abuses and death that came out of it. Had no choice as was child enduring abusive Cult. 
Learned, God doesn&#039;t waste one circumstance, one stitch, one iota but it&#039;s been &quot;Coming Out Alive&quot; by Beth Cavete; horrific journey out and lessons in Forgiveness but doesn&#039;t mean not going to take injustices public.  Going to God and learning to die to self!  Bible, Sermon on the Mount, Beatitudes, Lord&#039;s Prayer.  i had to forgive myself also!  &quot;Wounded and Betrayed Believers Are Useful to God&quot; one of the most life changing messages that turned it around for me along with Leonard Ravenhill&#039;s writes.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/08/13/fall-of-mars-hill-church-august-2014-timeline-with-a-bonus-section-on-dealing-with-bloggers/#comment-113098">Sutton Turner</a>.</p>
<p>Sutton Turner: God knows your Heart!  At least, your talking and apologizing, acknowledging MHC abuses and your part.  Don&#8217;t let someone play judge and jury as come out of a horrific abusive church like this and NO one ever acknowledged or apologized for all it&#8217;s horrific abuses and death that came out of it. Had no choice as was child enduring abusive Cult.<br />
Learned, God doesn&#8217;t waste one circumstance, one stitch, one iota but it&#8217;s been &#8220;Coming Out Alive&#8221; by Beth Cavete; horrific journey out and lessons in Forgiveness but doesn&#8217;t mean not going to take injustices public.  Going to God and learning to die to self!  Bible, Sermon on the Mount, Beatitudes, Lord&#8217;s Prayer.  i had to forgive myself also!  &#8220;Wounded and Betrayed Believers Are Useful to God&#8221; one of the most life changing messages that turned it around for me along with Leonard Ravenhill&#8217;s writes.</p>
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		By: nathankc		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2021 18:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[wasn&#039;t there a story here (maybe somewhere else...) that pointed out that the bible Drisky says he was gifted by Grace that coincided with his calling hadn&#039;t even been published yet at the time? Would like to find that in light of the latest &quot;Fall of...&quot; episode re: the origin story]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wasn&#8217;t there a story here (maybe somewhere else&#8230;) that pointed out that the bible Drisky says he was gifted by Grace that coincided with his calling hadn&#8217;t even been published yet at the time? Would like to find that in light of the latest &#8220;Fall of&#8230;&#8221; episode re: the origin story</p>
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		By: Mr Jesperson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2021 22:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/08/13/fall-of-mars-hill-church-august-2014-timeline-with-a-bonus-section-on-dealing-with-bloggers/#comment-113119&quot;&gt;Sutton Turner&lt;/a&gt;.

From the &quot;Do not judge&quot; chapter, Matt 7 that so many snakes like to use to bend and misuse like the Devil himself:

“13 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

True and False Disciples
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

The Wise and Foolish Builders
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.&quot;

Showing fruit by stopping the greed and giving back the money is what people like you need.  Otherwise, as the verses from John the Baptist I quoted elsewhere, God will put an ax to you and cut you down and throw you in the fire.  Do you really believe Jesus and Johns words or are you just leveraging what others do believe for your own personal profit?  I notice that you are avoiding the Mammon false idol issue like the plague.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/08/13/fall-of-mars-hill-church-august-2014-timeline-with-a-bonus-section-on-dealing-with-bloggers/#comment-113119">Sutton Turner</a>.</p>
<p>From the &#8220;Do not judge&#8221; chapter, Matt 7 that so many snakes like to use to bend and misuse like the Devil himself:</p>
<p>“13 Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.</p>
<p>True and False Prophets<br />
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.</p>
<p>True and False Disciples<br />
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’</p>
<p>The Wise and Foolish Builders<br />
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.&#8221;</p>
<p>Showing fruit by stopping the greed and giving back the money is what people like you need.  Otherwise, as the verses from John the Baptist I quoted elsewhere, God will put an ax to you and cut you down and throw you in the fire.  Do you really believe Jesus and Johns words or are you just leveraging what others do believe for your own personal profit?  I notice that you are avoiding the Mammon false idol issue like the plague.</p>
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