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	Comments on: Inside the Former Mars Hill Church Elders Call for Mark Driscoll to Resign from The Trinity Church	</title>
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		By: Robert G		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2021 21:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-112946&quot;&gt;Benjamin Eneas&lt;/a&gt;.

Why can&#039;t you source any of these claims or give specific examples?]]></description>
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<p>Why can&#8217;t you source any of these claims or give specific examples?</p>
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		By: Robert G		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2021 21:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-112780&quot;&gt;mirele&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t really see how this is fraud. In most instances this is known as advertisement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-112780">mirele</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t really see how this is fraud. In most instances this is known as advertisement.</p>
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		By: Robert G		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2021 20:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Are ya&#039;ll so weak that you can&#039;t take getting yelled out for your sins? lmao this only makes me like Driscoll more.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are ya&#8217;ll so weak that you can&#8217;t take getting yelled out for your sins? lmao this only makes me like Driscoll more.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2021 17:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-113411&quot;&gt;Robert G&lt;/a&gt;.

It is fraud because he paid an organization to get his book on the NYT best-seller list by misrepresenting actual interest in his book.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-113411">Robert G</a>.</p>
<p>It is fraud because he paid an organization to get his book on the NYT best-seller list by misrepresenting actual interest in his book.</p>
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		By: DoctorDJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2021 03:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-112911&quot;&gt;Chad Freese&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks. I&#039;d heard of Driscoll&#039;s little charade on the &lt;i&gt;Christianity Today&lt;/i&gt; podcast, but it&#039;s still difficult to read the transcripts and think &quot;This is a Man of God?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-112911">Chad Freese</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks. I&#8217;d heard of Driscoll&#8217;s little charade on the <i>Christianity Today</i> podcast, but it&#8217;s still difficult to read the transcripts and think &#8220;This is a Man of God?&#8221;</p>
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		By: Barb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2021 01:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-112903&quot;&gt;Daniel &#039;n&#039; Terry Unruh&lt;/a&gt;.

That’s also my experience as an Elder in a PC(USA) congregation is exactly the same. AND Our elders are elected by the congregation to serve a term. They are not chosen by the Pastor. Also everyone knows the name of every elder and in our case what ministry they oversee.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-112903">Daniel &#8216;n&#8217; Terry Unruh</a>.</p>
<p>That’s also my experience as an Elder in a PC(USA) congregation is exactly the same. AND Our elders are elected by the congregation to serve a term. They are not chosen by the Pastor. Also everyone knows the name of every elder and in our case what ministry they oversee.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2021 12:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-112972&quot;&gt;Chad Freese&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Would you like me to publicly publish the cease-and-desist letters so everyone can see the false accusations against me?&quot;




I would like you to publish those letters.




Perhaps even send them to Warren if he is willing to make a post about them (as part of the &quot;Postcards from the Edge&quot; series).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-112972">Chad Freese</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Would you like me to publicly publish the cease-and-desist letters so everyone can see the false accusations against me?&#8221;</p>
<p>I would like you to publish those letters.</p>
<p>Perhaps even send them to Warren if he is willing to make a post about them (as part of the &#8220;Postcards from the Edge&#8221; series).</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2021 09:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-112971&quot;&gt;Jolie&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;maybe you won’t try and block it this time&quot;




I think discus may have had a hiccup this morning and lost some posts rather than it being a deliberate  action.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-112971">Jolie</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;maybe you won’t try and block it this time&#8221;</p>
<p>I think discus may have had a hiccup this morning and lost some posts rather than it being a deliberate  action.</p>
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		By: Jolie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jolie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2021 03:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-112889&quot;&gt;llindel&lt;/a&gt;.

Trying this again... why do you keep flagging my post?  Are you that afraid of what I’m saying? 
Wow, that was a lot of unexpected anger towards me. Again, it would really help if I knew who you and your wife were so I could better understand where you are coming from. You are correct Chloe is very sweet and we adore Zac. Our prayer is that the are able to do ministry together in a church that doesn’t have toxic leadership. So, I will stand up for truth for them and others to get freedom from abuse. We just want them in a tov church instead of a toxic one. I’m not sure I would call it finger pointing, it’s just me telling my experience. I would agree that the only value it has in my mind is to show a pattern of behavior from MH to TTC and to stand with others that have had similar )experiences over the years.

“You have been well known throughout the church as someone with a temper and, shall we say, unusual character.”

That is for sure news to me. I would love some examples of my temper and harshness. I’m fully willing to accept that I might be unusual. But that seemed like an attack on my character so I am unclear. Do I opening discuss struggles and where God has met me in those areas, of course. I always try to be as transparent as possible. I have never been told it comes across harsh but I’m certainly sorry if it ever did. You should also know that my oldest daughter edits all the things I write and teach on. We actually have a very good relationship. I am incredibly proud of her and have learned so much from her. To my knowledge I never spoke poorly of any of my daughter’s at women’s. I have definitely shared stories of how awesome they are and how they each bring something different to our family.  There is only one person who reprimanded me about how I spoke(positively) about my oldest and that was because she doesn’t approve of how she chooses to live.  There is only one family in the church that would know this kind of information about my girls. Thanks for clearing up the “who you are” question.  I actually share a lot less than your wife thinks but good to know she’s sharing personal information about me and my girls.  Especially love the “obvious eating disorder part”... nothing like throwing in the typical body shaming women piece.  I would be the first to admit that I have made a lot of mistakes in parenting along the way and am so grateful for God’s grace and patience with me as I learn. I am incredibly blessed to have such a awesome husband and amazing daughters!! I have learned so much from my girls and they for sure call me out on stuff. I have lead a table at SBC and am willing to continue doing so if they ask. I am completely under the authority of the women’s ministry pastors there and submit to whatever they think is necessary for me to continue volunteering.
My husband is an amazing man!! However, you should check your facts. My husband commutes to Seattle but lives here in AZ. Plus, we recently bought a building so he could headquarter here. Although it is difficult right now to balance speaking truth with our daughter still so involved and the hurt this is causing her, we are thinking big picture and about what is best for her future in ministry. I’m not sure how I disrespect my other daughters though. Always willing to learn how to be a better mom. 26 years and six +1 daughters and I’m sure I still have much to learn about being a mother and wife.
Thank you for giving such a good example from chapter 4 of Scot McKnight’s book A Church Called Tov. Highly recommend giving it a read.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-112889">llindel</a>.</p>
<p>Trying this again&#8230; why do you keep flagging my post?  Are you that afraid of what I’m saying?<br />
Wow, that was a lot of unexpected anger towards me. Again, it would really help if I knew who you and your wife were so I could better understand where you are coming from. You are correct Chloe is very sweet and we adore Zac. Our prayer is that the are able to do ministry together in a church that doesn’t have toxic leadership. So, I will stand up for truth for them and others to get freedom from abuse. We just want them in a tov church instead of a toxic one. I’m not sure I would call it finger pointing, it’s just me telling my experience. I would agree that the only value it has in my mind is to show a pattern of behavior from MH to TTC and to stand with others that have had similar )experiences over the years.</p>
<p>“You have been well known throughout the church as someone with a temper and, shall we say, unusual character.”</p>
<p>That is for sure news to me. I would love some examples of my temper and harshness. I’m fully willing to accept that I might be unusual. But that seemed like an attack on my character so I am unclear. Do I opening discuss struggles and where God has met me in those areas, of course. I always try to be as transparent as possible. I have never been told it comes across harsh but I’m certainly sorry if it ever did. You should also know that my oldest daughter edits all the things I write and teach on. We actually have a very good relationship. I am incredibly proud of her and have learned so much from her. To my knowledge I never spoke poorly of any of my daughter’s at women’s. I have definitely shared stories of how awesome they are and how they each bring something different to our family.  There is only one person who reprimanded me about how I spoke(positively) about my oldest and that was because she doesn’t approve of how she chooses to live.  There is only one family in the church that would know this kind of information about my girls. Thanks for clearing up the “who you are” question.  I actually share a lot less than your wife thinks but good to know she’s sharing personal information about me and my girls.  Especially love the “obvious eating disorder part”&#8230; nothing like throwing in the typical body shaming women piece.  I would be the first to admit that I have made a lot of mistakes in parenting along the way and am so grateful for God’s grace and patience with me as I learn. I am incredibly blessed to have such a awesome husband and amazing daughters!! I have learned so much from my girls and they for sure call me out on stuff. I have lead a table at SBC and am willing to continue doing so if they ask. I am completely under the authority of the women’s ministry pastors there and submit to whatever they think is necessary for me to continue volunteering.<br />
My husband is an amazing man!! However, you should check your facts. My husband commutes to Seattle but lives here in AZ. Plus, we recently bought a building so he could headquarter here. Although it is difficult right now to balance speaking truth with our daughter still so involved and the hurt this is causing her, we are thinking big picture and about what is best for her future in ministry. I’m not sure how I disrespect my other daughters though. Always willing to learn how to be a better mom. 26 years and six +1 daughters and I’m sure I still have much to learn about being a mother and wife.<br />
Thank you for giving such a good example from chapter 4 of Scot McKnight’s book A Church Called Tov. Highly recommend giving it a read.</p>
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		By: Chad Freese		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chad Freese]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Aug 2021 03:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-112732&quot;&gt;llindel&lt;/a&gt;.

1. You claim to &quot;know&quot; me. Who are you? What is your real name? You do not even have the courage to use your name and let the world know who you are. Yet, you have lies throughout your comments and are attacking people consistently. You have a LOT of detailed “insider information” to just be someone who knows the church &quot;leaders&quot;. There is a high probability that either you are Mark or Mark is telling you what to write.


Keyboard Warrior courage is very noble good Sir. I have read your comments on here and it  sounds a lot like Mister William Wallace II himself, (aka Mark Driscoll).https://bit.ly/llindel-is-probably-mark-driscoll


2. You also claim the I am not willing to sign a sworn statement under penalty of perjury. Considering I have already signed legal paperwork through my attorney due to Mark Driscoll &#038; The Trinity Church sending me THREE Cease and Desist letters, I too would be more than willing to sign a sworn testimony. Would you like me to publicly publish the cease-and-desist letters so everyone can see the false accusations against me? 


3. If you know me so well, call me. Text me. Email me. If you are a “Real Man”, let’s have a face-to-face conversation. Meet me for coffee.


4. As for the serious mental health issues comment…whom are you referring to? Don’t be a coward. You want to call everyone else out on here, especially victims of abuse. Go ahead,  namedrop.


5. In one of your adorable comment, you mention something about a convicted felon? Who is that? 


It is real easy for you to sit back and attack others on this platform, hiding behind a screen  name. As I stated above, you lack the courage to be outright, truthful, and honest with your identity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/07/26/inside-the-former-mars-hill-church-elders-call-for-mark-driscoll-to-resign-from-the-trinity-church/#comment-112732">llindel</a>.</p>
<p>1. You claim to &#8220;know&#8221; me. Who are you? What is your real name? You do not even have the courage to use your name and let the world know who you are. Yet, you have lies throughout your comments and are attacking people consistently. You have a LOT of detailed “insider information” to just be someone who knows the church &#8220;leaders&#8221;. There is a high probability that either you are Mark or Mark is telling you what to write.</p>
<p>Keyboard Warrior courage is very noble good Sir. I have read your comments on here and it  sounds a lot like Mister William Wallace II himself, (aka Mark Driscoll).<a href="https://bit.ly/llindel-is-probably-mark-driscoll" rel="nofollow ugc">https://bit.ly/llindel-is-probably-mark-driscoll</a></p>
<p>2. You also claim the I am not willing to sign a sworn statement under penalty of perjury. Considering I have already signed legal paperwork through my attorney due to Mark Driscoll &amp; The Trinity Church sending me THREE Cease and Desist letters, I too would be more than willing to sign a sworn testimony. Would you like me to publicly publish the cease-and-desist letters so everyone can see the false accusations against me? </p>
<p>3. If you know me so well, call me. Text me. Email me. If you are a “Real Man”, let’s have a face-to-face conversation. Meet me for coffee.</p>
<p>4. As for the serious mental health issues comment…whom are you referring to? Don’t be a coward. You want to call everyone else out on here, especially victims of abuse. Go ahead,  namedrop.</p>
<p>5. In one of your adorable comment, you mention something about a convicted felon? Who is that? </p>
<p>It is real easy for you to sit back and attack others on this platform, hiding behind a screen  name. As I stated above, you lack the courage to be outright, truthful, and honest with your identity.</p>
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