I’m just going off what Google maps shows me. Your gripe is with them 😀
My *point* to OP is that, for all intents and purposes for the argument, TTC is extermely close to Phoenix so it was a specious, unnecessary and ill-effective attack 🙂

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9d1b3931bbc85bb0de268e173ba39e6463c45620cac6a1df9c392b4398064606.png

I’m just going off what Google maps shows me. Your gripe is with them 😀
My *point* to OP is that, for all intents and purposes for the argument, TTC is extermely close to Phoenix so it was a specious, unnecessary and ill-effective attack 🙂

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9d1b3931bbc85bb0de268e173ba39e6463c45620cac6a1df9c392b4398064606.png

I concur that this 2nd episode is excellent.

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/podcasts/rise-and-fall-of-mars-hill/

Nope on that too. You end up in Paradise Valley first going that way. Phoenix is closer, as I said, when you drive down to Camelback. Scottsdale borders Phoenix to the North too once you pass the northern limits of Paradise Valley. But this just shows the confusion for people who have never lived there. I spent about 2/3 of my life there.

Ah – I was just looking at the city boundaries and didn’t realize it was the reservation to the east. So more like 2 miles west on McDonald Dr to be back in Phoenix proper 🙂

It sounds like Episode 3 may get more into the early days when Driscoll was running in the same circles as the “emergent” church movement. There is a huge gulf (theologically and stylistically) now between Driscoll and, say, Brian McLaren or Rob Bell, but for a couple of years they were, at least in some respects, swimming in the same waters.

“to refuse to believe someone who you admire could possibly be a terrible person.”

this reminds me of an old quote:

Always pick dead people to be your heroes, that way you’ll never meet them and be disappointed.

Exactly. Mars Hill was spread out all over but to the rest of the country, it was Seattle.