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	Comments on: Mark Driscoll&#8217;s Elderless Church, Part Three &#8211; Where&#8217;s the Board?	</title>
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		By: MaryKaye		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111893</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MaryKaye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2021 22:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111792&quot;&gt;thatotherjean&lt;/a&gt;.

The best way to run an organization is for people to be able to bring up criticisms openly and freely without fear of retaliation.


The second-best way, if you can&#039;t achieve the best, is for people to be able to bring up criticisms anonymously and have them heard.  Needing to do this is a symptom of power imbalance, but human institutions being what they are, it&#039;s often necessary.


When a leader rails against anonymity, he is telling you he will not tolerate criticism.  Nothing more and nothing less.  Avoid such organizations like the plague they are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111792">thatotherjean</a>.</p>
<p>The best way to run an organization is for people to be able to bring up criticisms openly and freely without fear of retaliation.</p>
<p>The second-best way, if you can&#8217;t achieve the best, is for people to be able to bring up criticisms anonymously and have them heard.  Needing to do this is a symptom of power imbalance, but human institutions being what they are, it&#8217;s often necessary.</p>
<p>When a leader rails against anonymity, he is telling you he will not tolerate criticism.  Nothing more and nothing less.  Avoid such organizations like the plague they are.</p>
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		By: MaryKaye		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111894</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MaryKaye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2021 12:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111792&quot;&gt;thatotherjean&lt;/a&gt;.

The best way to run an organization is for people to be able to bring up criticisms openly and freely without fear of retaliation.


The second-best way, if you can&#039;t achieve the best, is for people to be able to bring up criticisms anonymously and have them heard.  Needing to do this is a symptom of power imbalance, but human institutions being what they are, it&#039;s often necessary.


When a leader rails against anonymity, he is telling you he will not tolerate criticism.  Nothing more and nothing less.  Avoid such organizations like the plague they are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111792">thatotherjean</a>.</p>
<p>The best way to run an organization is for people to be able to bring up criticisms openly and freely without fear of retaliation.</p>
<p>The second-best way, if you can&#8217;t achieve the best, is for people to be able to bring up criticisms anonymously and have them heard.  Needing to do this is a symptom of power imbalance, but human institutions being what they are, it&#8217;s often necessary.</p>
<p>When a leader rails against anonymity, he is telling you he will not tolerate criticism.  Nothing more and nothing less.  Avoid such organizations like the plague they are.</p>
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		By: MaryKaye		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111892</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MaryKaye]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2021 12:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111792&quot;&gt;thatotherjean&lt;/a&gt;.

The best way to run an organization is for people to be able to bring up criticisms openly and freely without fear of retaliation.


The second-best way, if you can&#039;t achieve the best, is for people to be able to bring up criticisms anonymously and have them heard.  Needing to do this is a symptom of power imbalance, but human institutions being what they are, it&#039;s often necessary.


When a leader rails against anonymity, he is telling you he will not tolerate criticism.  Nothing more and nothing less.  Avoid such organizations like the plague they are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111792">thatotherjean</a>.</p>
<p>The best way to run an organization is for people to be able to bring up criticisms openly and freely without fear of retaliation.</p>
<p>The second-best way, if you can&#8217;t achieve the best, is for people to be able to bring up criticisms anonymously and have them heard.  Needing to do this is a symptom of power imbalance, but human institutions being what they are, it&#8217;s often necessary.</p>
<p>When a leader rails against anonymity, he is telling you he will not tolerate criticism.  Nothing more and nothing less.  Avoid such organizations like the plague they are.</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111859</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2021 14:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Mark Driscoll’s Elderless Church, Part Three – Where’s the Board?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&quot;The Emperor has dissolved the Imperial Senate.&quot;
-- Grand Moff Tarkin, Death Star command staff briefing room]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Mark Driscoll’s Elderless Church, Part Three – Where’s the Board?</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;The Emperor has dissolved the Imperial Senate.&#8221;<br />
&#8212; Grand Moff Tarkin, Death Star command staff briefing room</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111821</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2021 01:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111802&quot;&gt;Rick Thornton&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Though I’m guessing Driscoll’s style didn’t rely upon the traditional church organ...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Just upon his own personal organ.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111802">Rick Thornton</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Though I’m guessing Driscoll’s style didn’t rely upon the traditional church organ&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Just upon his own personal organ.</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111820</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2021 01:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111788&quot;&gt;Digger&lt;/a&gt;.

So he can punch them in the nose and throw them under the bus?
&quot;ME MAN! RAWR!!!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111788">Digger</a>.</p>
<p>So he can punch them in the nose and throw them under the bus?<br />
&#8220;ME MAN! RAWR!!!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Daniel 'n' Terry Unruh		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111807</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daniel 'n' Terry Unruh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2021 14:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111792&quot;&gt;thatotherjean&lt;/a&gt;.

Bingo!  Actually, the concept of no anonymous votes borders on more frightening than if they just said that there would never be votes.  I am curious where voting would fit into their structure ... is this just referring to votes in the &quot;leadership team&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111792">thatotherjean</a>.</p>
<p>Bingo!  Actually, the concept of no anonymous votes borders on more frightening than if they just said that there would never be votes.  I am curious where voting would fit into their structure &#8230; is this just referring to votes in the &#8220;leadership team&#8221;?</p>
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		By: paganheart		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111805</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paganheart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2021 21:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111786&quot;&gt;rrhersh&lt;/a&gt;.

Neumann and his family also fled the country and are now living in Israel. (Probably in hopes of dodging justice and extradition; from what I have read and heard about the WeWork debacle it&#039;s probably only a matter of time before criminal fraud is uncovered.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111786">rrhersh</a>.</p>
<p>Neumann and his family also fled the country and are now living in Israel. (Probably in hopes of dodging justice and extradition; from what I have read and heard about the WeWork debacle it&#8217;s probably only a matter of time before criminal fraud is uncovered.)</p>
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		By: Rick Thornton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Thornton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2021 18:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Marky Mark’s Mars Hill 1.0 was what helped me identify deep wounds from religious abuse. Never went to Mars Hill, only found kinship with the slaughtered under Driscoll’s “pastoral care.” Though I’m guessing Driscoll’s style didn’t rely upon the traditional church organ, through him I learned to untangle the triggers of my religious PTSD which included the mere sound of a church organ.

The Buddha called it: avoid naming God and you avoid the certain abuses that follow, including Driscoll’s. I support WT through Patreon, and I support corn farmers. The Mars Hill 2.0 sequel will require lots and lots of popcorn.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marky Mark’s Mars Hill 1.0 was what helped me identify deep wounds from religious abuse. Never went to Mars Hill, only found kinship with the slaughtered under Driscoll’s “pastoral care.” Though I’m guessing Driscoll’s style didn’t rely upon the traditional church organ, through him I learned to untangle the triggers of my religious PTSD which included the mere sound of a church organ.</p>
<p>The Buddha called it: avoid naming God and you avoid the certain abuses that follow, including Driscoll’s. I support WT through Patreon, and I support corn farmers. The Mars Hill 2.0 sequel will require lots and lots of popcorn.</p>
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		By: John Campbell		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Campbell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 May 2021 13:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111793&quot;&gt;Mr Jesperson&lt;/a&gt;.

My former Pastor in Boston, Dr Roberto Miranda, signed the document too. He’s a very moral intelligent and good man. With very little Biblical revelation of the New Covenant Jesus Christ however. These apostolic prophetic leaders will only be properly aligned with Jesus Christ if they renounce allegiance to the world system of politics and embrace the gospel of the Kingdom and New Covenant of Jesus Christ.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2021/04/30/mark-driscolls-elderless-church-part-three-wheres-the-board/#comment-111793">Mr Jesperson</a>.</p>
<p>My former Pastor in Boston, Dr Roberto Miranda, signed the document too. He’s a very moral intelligent and good man. With very little Biblical revelation of the New Covenant Jesus Christ however. These apostolic prophetic leaders will only be properly aligned with Jesus Christ if they renounce allegiance to the world system of politics and embrace the gospel of the Kingdom and New Covenant of Jesus Christ.</p>
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