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		By: Mr Jesperson		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[I admit that over these last five years I have increasingly been on a crusade against narcissism in what claims to be &quot;Christian.&quot;  Our culture loves the narcissists in our fallen and dark human heroes.  They entertain us.  They are the nasty bosses that we serve in our corporations.  They are our politicians.  They are even our grandstanding humanitarians running the biggest charities for big bucks while dressed like the wolves and foxes that they actually are.  And yet they take whatever they have at hand, including various kinds of religions, in order to make themselves great and the very center of attention and devotion by their fans.  Third parties who are also narcissists or Machiavellians write books about them in order to get a little of their glory and spotlights on themselves.  

I say all this because of the Outlaw Larry Norman who led Randy Stonehill in a sinners prayer as a teenager in his own house, only to later sleep with Randy&#039;s wife and then steal her away from him.  The documentary made by those who knew  Norm best describe him as a great liar and a manipulator who used people with no conscience.  Looking at this guys book, looks like he white-washes a guy who was worse than Judas.  I cannot get past that, so why would I want to read anything this Phd. guy wrote or his opinion on anything?  I do not know why the Professor is interviewing people like this?  Surely a professor of psychology knows what narcissism is.  He has shown a big spotlight on some very evil people like Driscoll, Yohannan and others.  Yet most of the people he has been interviewing lately are clearly people who have profited by either promoting or supporting this evil as they masquerade as &quot;Angels of Light.&quot;  Yet &lt;b&gt;what they do&lt;/b&gt; is clear and condemns them.  Who cares what these people think or say about anything?  These men do not know Jesus, other to use what very, very little they know about Him to make some Mammon off of the damned by God worship of celebrities.  Their is only One celebrity, because He made everything that is and then went even farther to die in order to redeem a remnant of people from their own evil natures.  Norman was a snake.  No one should be still profiting off of him.  What we say means nothing.  What we actually do is everything.  By that we prove that we are either sheep or goats.  I could care less about what the Phd&#039;s say or the celebrities.  I prefer the little people just doing good without all the applause signs and cameras following them around.  The book likes a pile of #$%!  That someone would give themselves to spending so much time to write such a thing, then have no conscience about promoting it is all that needs to be pointed out.  I see nothing good here at all...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit that over these last five years I have increasingly been on a crusade against narcissism in what claims to be &#8220;Christian.&#8221;  Our culture loves the narcissists in our fallen and dark human heroes.  They entertain us.  They are the nasty bosses that we serve in our corporations.  They are our politicians.  They are even our grandstanding humanitarians running the biggest charities for big bucks while dressed like the wolves and foxes that they actually are.  And yet they take whatever they have at hand, including various kinds of religions, in order to make themselves great and the very center of attention and devotion by their fans.  Third parties who are also narcissists or Machiavellians write books about them in order to get a little of their glory and spotlights on themselves.  </p>
<p>I say all this because of the Outlaw Larry Norman who led Randy Stonehill in a sinners prayer as a teenager in his own house, only to later sleep with Randy&#8217;s wife and then steal her away from him.  The documentary made by those who knew  Norm best describe him as a great liar and a manipulator who used people with no conscience.  Looking at this guys book, looks like he white-washes a guy who was worse than Judas.  I cannot get past that, so why would I want to read anything this Phd. guy wrote or his opinion on anything?  I do not know why the Professor is interviewing people like this?  Surely a professor of psychology knows what narcissism is.  He has shown a big spotlight on some very evil people like Driscoll, Yohannan and others.  Yet most of the people he has been interviewing lately are clearly people who have profited by either promoting or supporting this evil as they masquerade as &#8220;Angels of Light.&#8221;  Yet <b>what they do</b> is clear and condemns them.  Who cares what these people think or say about anything?  These men do not know Jesus, other to use what very, very little they know about Him to make some Mammon off of the damned by God worship of celebrities.  Their is only One celebrity, because He made everything that is and then went even farther to die in order to redeem a remnant of people from their own evil natures.  Norman was a snake.  No one should be still profiting off of him.  What we say means nothing.  What we actually do is everything.  By that we prove that we are either sheep or goats.  I could care less about what the Phd&#8217;s say or the celebrities.  I prefer the little people just doing good without all the applause signs and cameras following them around.  The book likes a pile of #$%!  That someone would give themselves to spending so much time to write such a thing, then have no conscience about promoting it is all that needs to be pointed out.  I see nothing good here at all&#8230;</p>
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		By: NyssaTheHobbit		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2020 01:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/19/a-conversation-with-greg-thornbury-wokeness-covid-truthiness-the-consequences-of-trumpism-and-much-more/#comment-110242&quot;&gt;Headless Unicorn Guy&lt;/a&gt;.

My gosh, he&#039;s older than I am!  I thought he was a millennial....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/19/a-conversation-with-greg-thornbury-wokeness-covid-truthiness-the-consequences-of-trumpism-and-much-more/#comment-110242">Headless Unicorn Guy</a>.</p>
<p>My gosh, he&#8217;s older than I am!  I thought he was a millennial&#8230;.</p>
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		By: mirele		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mirele]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2020 13:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/19/a-conversation-with-greg-thornbury-wokeness-covid-truthiness-the-consequences-of-trumpism-and-much-more/#comment-110243&quot;&gt;Big K&lt;/a&gt;.

I say &quot;y&#039;know&quot; a lot for a person with a JD. I know this. It&#039;s hard to train out this verbal tic. That said, when I&#039;m trying to get someone to do something, and they&#039;re being a bit resistant, leaning into a &quot;y&#039;know, if we don&#039;t do X, then Y might happen and we wouldn&#039;t want that, right?&quot; is just an easier conversation to have. (I spend my days talking to techies.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/19/a-conversation-with-greg-thornbury-wokeness-covid-truthiness-the-consequences-of-trumpism-and-much-more/#comment-110243">Big K</a>.</p>
<p>I say &#8220;y&#8217;know&#8221; a lot for a person with a JD. I know this. It&#8217;s hard to train out this verbal tic. That said, when I&#8217;m trying to get someone to do something, and they&#8217;re being a bit resistant, leaning into a &#8220;y&#8217;know, if we don&#8217;t do X, then Y might happen and we wouldn&#8217;t want that, right?&#8221; is just an easier conversation to have. (I spend my days talking to techies.)</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2020 18:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/19/a-conversation-with-greg-thornbury-wokeness-covid-truthiness-the-consequences-of-trumpism-and-much-more/#comment-110237&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

If there is a &quot;blue wave&quot;, I fully expect Armed Militia Resistance, AKA &quot;Turner Diaries: The Live Role-Playing Game&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/19/a-conversation-with-greg-thornbury-wokeness-covid-truthiness-the-consequences-of-trumpism-and-much-more/#comment-110237">ken</a>.</p>
<p>If there is a &#8220;blue wave&#8221;, I fully expect Armed Militia Resistance, AKA &#8220;Turner Diaries: The Live Role-Playing Game&#8221;.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2020 17:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/19/a-conversation-with-greg-thornbury-wokeness-covid-truthiness-the-consequences-of-trumpism-and-much-more/#comment-110234&quot;&gt;Eeyore&lt;/a&gt;.

I get that they have their own bubbles, but now that they have backed this philandering, racist, xenophobic president, those bubbles are likely to shrink.  Those in their 30s and younger had already been pulling away,  this is likely to accelerate the exodus.  Black churches have questioning whether they are truly welcome in the large community orgs (SBC etc).   Again, this isn&#039;t new, but it also has accelerated.



Trump has clearly exposed the hypocrisy of these &quot;christian leaders.&quot;  While Trump can get away with blatantly lying, it is not as easy for others.  Ex. if you want to shut down Al Mohler, just ask him: &quot;Have you apologized to Bill Clinton yet?&quot; 


Further, if there is a &quot;blue wave&quot; that happens, these &quot;leaders&quot; influence in government is going to be severally hamstrung, and those bubbles they are in are going to seem a lot smaller.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/19/a-conversation-with-greg-thornbury-wokeness-covid-truthiness-the-consequences-of-trumpism-and-much-more/#comment-110234">Eeyore</a>.</p>
<p>I get that they have their own bubbles, but now that they have backed this philandering, racist, xenophobic president, those bubbles are likely to shrink.  Those in their 30s and younger had already been pulling away,  this is likely to accelerate the exodus.  Black churches have questioning whether they are truly welcome in the large community orgs (SBC etc).   Again, this isn&#8217;t new, but it also has accelerated.</p>
<p>Trump has clearly exposed the hypocrisy of these &#8220;christian leaders.&#8221;  While Trump can get away with blatantly lying, it is not as easy for others.  Ex. if you want to shut down Al Mohler, just ask him: &#8220;Have you apologized to Bill Clinton yet?&#8221; </p>
<p>Further, if there is a &#8220;blue wave&#8221; that happens, these &#8220;leaders&#8221; influence in government is going to be severally hamstrung, and those bubbles they are in are going to seem a lot smaller.</p>
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