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	Comments on: Pastor Greg Laurie Has COVID-19	</title>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110233</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2020 16:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110023&quot;&gt;Reflex&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve spoken with my friend in more detail, and they estimate that they were infectious from maybe the second week of February, and are (with the benefit of hindsight) fairly sure from whom they got the virus.]]></description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve spoken with my friend in more detail, and they estimate that they were infectious from maybe the second week of February, and are (with the benefit of hindsight) fairly sure from whom they got the virus.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2020 18:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110086&quot;&gt;Headless Unicorn Guy&lt;/a&gt;.

Or maybe the notion that having faith is all about about getting away with being stupid?


The Trump-Covid business is all very curious.  If he did have it, he clearly benefited from a monumental barrage of treatment and/or has been very lucky.  Fortunately, if the whole show was meant to be a campaign ploy of some kind, it appears that many Americans are simply not &#039;buying it&#039; - Biden-Harris is now polling at around the same level as Obama-Biden in 2008.]]></description>
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<p>Or maybe the notion that having faith is all about about getting away with being stupid?</p>
<p>The Trump-Covid business is all very curious.  If he did have it, he clearly benefited from a monumental barrage of treatment and/or has been very lucky.  Fortunately, if the whole show was meant to be a campaign ploy of some kind, it appears that many Americans are simply not &#8216;buying it&#8217; &#8211; Biden-Harris is now polling at around the same level as Obama-Biden in 2008.</p>
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		By: AHH		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AHH]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2020 18:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110088&quot;&gt;Headless Unicorn Guy&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;I keep thinking of VIneyard as a Calvary Chapel&lt;/i&gt;
You&#039;re not too far off -- John Wimber was affiliated with the Calvary Chapel empire for a little while.  But they were not as big on &quot;signs and wonders&quot; as he wanted to be, so he went off on his own with the Vineyard churches (which already existed as a small group of churches, but took off under Wimber).


Greg Laurie can also trace his roots back to Calvary Chapel.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110088">Headless Unicorn Guy</a>.</p>
<p><i>I keep thinking of VIneyard as a Calvary Chapel</i><br />
You&#8217;re not too far off &#8212; John Wimber was affiliated with the Calvary Chapel empire for a little while.  But they were not as big on &#8220;signs and wonders&#8221; as he wanted to be, so he went off on his own with the Vineyard churches (which already existed as a small group of churches, but took off under Wimber).</p>
<p>Greg Laurie can also trace his roots back to Calvary Chapel.</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110089</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2020 04:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-109972&quot;&gt;DoctorDJ&lt;/a&gt;.

The False Prophets always suck up to The Beast.
&quot;Where We Go One, So Go We All.&quot;]]></description>
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<p>The False Prophets always suck up to The Beast.<br />
&#8220;Where We Go One, So Go We All.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110088</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2020 04:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-109996&quot;&gt;Ian&lt;/a&gt;.

PastorGregLaurieOfVineyard(TM)...


Just like PastorChuckSmithCalvaryChapelCostaMesa(TM) and PastorRaulReesCalvaryChapelWestCovina(TM), a regular feature on local Christianese AM Radio during my time in-country. I keep thinking of VIneyard as a Calvary Chapel; they sure scratched each others&#039; back on the AM airwaves with near-identical radio shows.]]></description>
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<p>PastorGregLaurieOfVineyard(TM)&#8230;</p>
<p>Just like PastorChuckSmithCalvaryChapelCostaMesa(TM) and PastorRaulReesCalvaryChapelWestCovina(TM), a regular feature on local Christianese AM Radio during my time in-country. I keep thinking of VIneyard as a Calvary Chapel; they sure scratched each others&#8217; back on the AM airwaves with near-identical radio shows.</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110087</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2020 04:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110023&quot;&gt;Reflex&lt;/a&gt;.

I remember having some sort of &quot;anomalous flu&quot; in late January. A couple days of fever kicking off a couple months of serous bronchitis. Very similar to a serious bronchitis I caught about two years before. Doc put me back on an albuterol inhaler &quot;as needed&quot;. I needed until around April.



My writing partner (the burned-out country preacher) also related that there was a similar anomalous flu going around about the same time where he was (rural central Pennsylvania).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110023">Reflex</a>.</p>
<p>I remember having some sort of &#8220;anomalous flu&#8221; in late January. A couple days of fever kicking off a couple months of serous bronchitis. Very similar to a serious bronchitis I caught about two years before. Doc put me back on an albuterol inhaler &#8220;as needed&#8221;. I needed until around April.</p>
<p>My writing partner (the burned-out country preacher) also related that there was a similar anomalous flu going around about the same time where he was (rural central Pennsylvania).</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110086</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2020 04:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110014&quot;&gt;Richard Willmer&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Wrongly &#039;reversing&#039; the idea that God&#039;s wisdom is foolishness to &#039;the 
world&#039; (as in that which is worldly) is the result of putting man at the
 centre of things instead of God, isn&#039;t it?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I just chalk it up to &quot;Holy Nincompoop Syndrome&quot;, where the more stupid and ignorant you are, the more Holy you must be.]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>Wrongly &#8216;reversing&#8217; the idea that God&#8217;s wisdom is foolishness to &#8216;the<br />
world&#8217; (as in that which is worldly) is the result of putting man at the<br />
 centre of things instead of God, isn&#8217;t it?</p></blockquote>
<p>I just chalk it up to &#8220;Holy Nincompoop Syndrome&#8221;, where the more stupid and ignorant you are, the more Holy you must be.</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2020 04:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110017&quot;&gt;Tacitus&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;FEAR ALWAYS WORKS!&quot;
-- Acting Mayor Bellwether, &lt;i&gt;Zootopia&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110017">Tacitus</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;FEAR ALWAYS WORKS!&#8221;<br />
&#8212; Acting Mayor Bellwether, <i>Zootopia</i></p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Willmer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2020 11:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110023&quot;&gt;Reflex&lt;/a&gt;.

It was late in January, or maybe the very beginning of February when they were symptomatic, but early nevertheless!  Just on the timing thing: there is a school of thought that Italy had its first case before 2019 was out.


I have to say that it is a bit odd that (if it is the case) there were a few very early cases a while before widespread transmission was evident, especially given how easily the virus is transmitted.  On the other hand, most IC nurses are very busy during winter and probably find themselves almost exclusively in one of two places at any given time: on the ward or at home.  And then there is misdiagnosis, of course (and my friend at the time assumed they had influenza).



I ought to see how they are in any case (I suspect they are under a lot of pressure again right now), and I will gently ask again about their brush with Covid-19!  It is certainly all very interesting, to say the least ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110023">Reflex</a>.</p>
<p>It was late in January, or maybe the very beginning of February when they were symptomatic, but early nevertheless!  Just on the timing thing: there is a school of thought that Italy had its first case before 2019 was out.</p>
<p>I have to say that it is a bit odd that (if it is the case) there were a few very early cases a while before widespread transmission was evident, especially given how easily the virus is transmitted.  On the other hand, most IC nurses are very busy during winter and probably find themselves almost exclusively in one of two places at any given time: on the ward or at home.  And then there is misdiagnosis, of course (and my friend at the time assumed they had influenza).</p>
<p>I ought to see how they are in any case (I suspect they are under a lot of pressure again right now), and I will gently ask again about their brush with Covid-19!  It is certainly all very interesting, to say the least &#8230;</p>
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		By: Reflex		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Reflex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2020 17:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/10/05/pastor-greg-laurie-has-covid-19/#comment-110022&quot;&gt;Richard Willmer&lt;/a&gt;.

Wow, that is very early then. I know there is a ton of speculation about the January E3 convention in California being an early super spreader event as well but I haven&#039;t seen if there has been significant testing around it yet aside from one person.]]></description>
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<p>Wow, that is very early then. I know there is a ton of speculation about the January E3 convention in California being an early super spreader event as well but I haven&#8217;t seen if there has been significant testing around it yet aside from one person.</p>
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