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	Comments on: In August, John MacArthur Denied COVID-19 at Grace Community Church; In April, He Said Members Had Been Hospitalized	</title>
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		By: Peggy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2021 13:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109961&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

:) I wish I kept in touch with this string 4 months ago and saw your post, Ken.  It put a smile on my face....people putting words in other people&#039;s mouths, just makes your comments less valid.]]></description>
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<p>🙂 I wish I kept in touch with this string 4 months ago and saw your post, Ken.  It put a smile on my face&#8230;.people putting words in other people&#8217;s mouths, just makes your comments less valid.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2020 13:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109959&quot;&gt;Peggy&lt;/a&gt;.

Do you not understand otrotierra&#039;s point?  the point is that thousands of churches are capable of complying with the health orders and showing caring for their congregants and others outside the congregation, by working to stop the spread of covid-19.  Why can&#039;t MacArthur do the same thing? 



Further, you are saying that if MacArthur &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; hold outdoor services it would be &quot;just for the beauty of it&quot;,  not out of concern for his fellow man?  Seems yours and otrotierra&#039;s opinion of MacArthur aren&#039;t as far apart as you think.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109959">Peggy</a>.</p>
<p>Do you not understand otrotierra&#8217;s point?  the point is that thousands of churches are capable of complying with the health orders and showing caring for their congregants and others outside the congregation, by working to stop the spread of covid-19.  Why can&#8217;t MacArthur do the same thing? </p>
<p>Further, you are saying that if MacArthur <em>did</em> hold outdoor services it would be &#8220;just for the beauty of it&#8221;,  not out of concern for his fellow man?  Seems yours and otrotierra&#8217;s opinion of MacArthur aren&#8217;t as far apart as you think.</p>
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		By: Peggy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2020 12:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109862&quot;&gt;Linn&lt;/a&gt;.

Good example of how things get out of proportion: Linn, your negative speculation spreading half-truths and gossip.  Shame on all of you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109862">Linn</a>.</p>
<p>Good example of how things get out of proportion: Linn, your negative speculation spreading half-truths and gossip.  Shame on all of you.</p>
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		By: Peggy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peggy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2020 12:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109860&quot;&gt;otrotierra&lt;/a&gt;.

Those thousands and thousands of churches you mention that have complied are DEFINITELY WITH complication AND complaint!!  I&#039;m supposing you do not attend church.  If you did, you would know this difficulty first hand.  John MacArthur has a huge following and it required a large buidling, etc.  You must understand that.....requires no explanation.  And btw, he probably holds outdoor services sometimes, just like &quot;thousands upon thousands&quot; of other churches, just for the beauty of it:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109860">otrotierra</a>.</p>
<p>Those thousands and thousands of churches you mention that have complied are DEFINITELY WITH complication AND complaint!!  I&#8217;m supposing you do not attend church.  If you did, you would know this difficulty first hand.  John MacArthur has a huge following and it required a large buidling, etc.  You must understand that&#8230;..requires no explanation.  And btw, he probably holds outdoor services sometimes, just like &#8220;thousands upon thousands&#8221; of other churches, just for the beauty of it:)</p>
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		By: Peggy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2020 12:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109851&quot;&gt;otrotierra&lt;/a&gt;.

I love replies like these.....you&#039;re trying to sound intelligent, but you repeat a mantra you must have heard somewhere and you think it makes you sound brilliant:  &quot;self-serving self worship (WHAAT??!!??) at the direct expense of others&quot;.  FYI:  he is not forcing others to attend worship  - they go on their own accord.  You may want to return to church.  Wouldn&#039;t hurt but the sounds of your comments:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109851">otrotierra</a>.</p>
<p>I love replies like these&#8230;..you&#8217;re trying to sound intelligent, but you repeat a mantra you must have heard somewhere and you think it makes you sound brilliant:  &#8220;self-serving self worship (WHAAT??!!??) at the direct expense of others&#8221;.  FYI:  he is not forcing others to attend worship  &#8211; they go on their own accord.  You may want to return to church.  Wouldn&#8217;t hurt but the sounds of your comments:)</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2020 17:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109902&quot;&gt;Headless Unicorn Guy&lt;/a&gt;.

Indeed - that should be our hope: factors that and measures taken to reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2 will also help with reducing the spread of other aerosol-borne pathogens.


I&#039;m certainly taking my Vitamin D supplement!  It is one of those things of which we generally do not get enough!  I&#039;m struck by the relatively small impact of SARS-CoV-2 in many parts of Africa, one of the reasons for which could well be the abundance of sunlight, helping people living there to produce there own Vitamin D.  (I would add that countries like Sierra Leone - which had to deal with the Ebola virus as few years ago - have reacted in a very intelligent manner to the pandemic.  We may well have things to learn from them ...)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109902">Headless Unicorn Guy</a>.</p>
<p>Indeed &#8211; that should be our hope: factors that and measures taken to reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2 will also help with reducing the spread of other aerosol-borne pathogens.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly taking my Vitamin D supplement!  It is one of those things of which we generally do not get enough!  I&#8217;m struck by the relatively small impact of SARS-CoV-2 in many parts of Africa, one of the reasons for which could well be the abundance of sunlight, helping people living there to produce there own Vitamin D.  (I would add that countries like Sierra Leone &#8211; which had to deal with the Ebola virus as few years ago &#8211; have reacted in a very intelligent manner to the pandemic.  We may well have things to learn from them &#8230;)</p>
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		By: Calvin809		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Calvin809]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2020 21:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109898&quot;&gt;Headless Unicorn Guy&lt;/a&gt;.

A Karen with a Facebook account]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109898">Headless Unicorn Guy</a>.</p>
<p>A Karen with a Facebook account</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2020 21:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109891&quot;&gt;Richard Willmer&lt;/a&gt;.

Which makes the coming flu season even more ominous.
The fear of flu &#038; COVID peaking at the same time.


Spanish Flu spiked in a second wave during the winter. But that was before air conditioning, where summers were outdoors or ventilated to the max because of the heat and winters were spent closed off indoors from the cold. Nowadays A/C means that summer heat is also spend closed off indoors with recirculating air - similar conditions to winter. So COVID will probably show less of a second distinct wave in winter and more of a continuous wave from summer.


And the precautions to prevent COVID spread (masking, keeping distance, hand hygeine, maximum outside-air ventilation, and avoiding indoor/crowded areas) would also lessen the spread of flu, because both virii spread in a similar manner - primarily airborne, secondarily fomite (contaminated surfaces). And keeping up Vitamin D levels helps the immune system in general, so it should help with both.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109891">Richard Willmer</a>.</p>
<p>Which makes the coming flu season even more ominous.<br />
The fear of flu &amp; COVID peaking at the same time.</p>
<p>Spanish Flu spiked in a second wave during the winter. But that was before air conditioning, where summers were outdoors or ventilated to the max because of the heat and winters were spent closed off indoors from the cold. Nowadays A/C means that summer heat is also spend closed off indoors with recirculating air &#8211; similar conditions to winter. So COVID will probably show less of a second distinct wave in winter and more of a continuous wave from summer.</p>
<p>And the precautions to prevent COVID spread (masking, keeping distance, hand hygeine, maximum outside-air ventilation, and avoiding indoor/crowded areas) would also lessen the spread of flu, because both virii spread in a similar manner &#8211; primarily airborne, secondarily fomite (contaminated surfaces). And keeping up Vitamin D levels helps the immune system in general, so it should help with both.</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2020 03:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109884&quot;&gt;mirele&lt;/a&gt;.

I had a similar eye issue several years ago -- flashes and floaters. Put me under surveillance at an opthamologist&#039;s office for a couple years, dilation and retinal checks every six months until things stabilized. I&#039;m extremely nearsighted, and heard in my twenties that could make me prone to retinal detachment.



Then a year or two ago, my first ocular migraine. NO headache at all, just the fortifications messing with my vision. Happened only twice, a year apart, hasn&#039;t repeated since.]]></description>
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<p>I had a similar eye issue several years ago &#8212; flashes and floaters. Put me under surveillance at an opthamologist&#8217;s office for a couple years, dilation and retinal checks every six months until things stabilized. I&#8217;m extremely nearsighted, and heard in my twenties that could make me prone to retinal detachment.</p>
<p>Then a year or two ago, my first ocular migraine. NO headache at all, just the fortifications messing with my vision. Happened only twice, a year apart, hasn&#8217;t repeated since.</p>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tacitus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2020 01:24:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109900&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

I know -- my point was that it&#039;s hard to be completely rational about things :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/09/22/in-august-john-macarthur-denied-covid-19-at-grace-community-church-in-april-he-said-members-had-been-hospitalized/#comment-109900">ken</a>.</p>
<p>I know &#8212; my point was that it&#8217;s hard to be completely rational about things 🙂</p>
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