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	Comments on: L.A. County Applies for Contempt Order and Sanctions Against Grace Community Church and John MacArthur	</title>
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		By: LT		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108601&quot;&gt;Eeyore&lt;/a&gt;.

There are many articles about the matter and informed people already know about them. But these are numbers. The website or source doesn&#039;t really matter that much. Read the article and argue the math.  My point is not that lockdowns don&#039;t. They might.  The point is that there is strong evidence that points the other way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108601">Eeyore</a>.</p>
<p>There are many articles about the matter and informed people already know about them. But these are numbers. The website or source doesn&#8217;t really matter that much. Read the article and argue the math.  My point is not that lockdowns don&#8217;t. They might.  The point is that there is strong evidence that points the other way.</p>
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		By: CM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 23:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108601&quot;&gt;Eeyore&lt;/a&gt;.

FWIW, I tend to be more libertarian in my outlook and political viewpoints, but I am also aware that during health emergencies states are given tremendous leeway to deal with them in line with Federalism and SCOTUS rulings.  That&#039;s why any federal mandate for wearing (or not wearing) masks, etc. does not wash nor pass Constitutional muster.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108601">Eeyore</a>.</p>
<p>FWIW, I tend to be more libertarian in my outlook and political viewpoints, but I am also aware that during health emergencies states are given tremendous leeway to deal with them in line with Federalism and SCOTUS rulings.  That&#8217;s why any federal mandate for wearing (or not wearing) masks, etc. does not wash nor pass Constitutional muster.</p>
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		By: CM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108577&quot;&gt;Jeff Ryan&lt;/a&gt;.

Courtroom Etiquette 101:

Do not piss off a judge.  I fully expect both the trial and appeals court judges to react accordingly since MacArthur was openly defying and mocking them and the order.  I would not be surprised if either or both judges issues a bench warrant to pick up MacArthur for criminal contempt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108577">Jeff Ryan</a>.</p>
<p>Courtroom Etiquette 101:</p>
<p>Do not piss off a judge.  I fully expect both the trial and appeals court judges to react accordingly since MacArthur was openly defying and mocking them and the order.  I would not be surprised if either or both judges issues a bench warrant to pick up MacArthur for criminal contempt.</p>
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		By: CM		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 16:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108589&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

Considering that travel restrictions from China was only implemented 31 JAN and went to effect 02 FEB, it was middle of the pack in terms of  implementation date.  There were several countries that implemented restrictions before the US.  Also, it was not a ban as there were a good 11 or more exemptions, so it was about as effective as a screen door on a submarine.  Also, these restrictions with exceptions served to accelerate people coming back to the US, many of whom no doubt were already asymptomatic carriers. Finally, patients zero for RI and NY were people coming from Italy (in which the US imposed restrictions somewhat belatedly as well).

But then I fully expect donjonesmd to either be unaware of or conveniently ignore these facts.  And I fully expect the Trump and his Kool-Aid drinkers to continue to brag about this so-called travel ban.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108589">ken</a>.</p>
<p>Considering that travel restrictions from China was only implemented 31 JAN and went to effect 02 FEB, it was middle of the pack in terms of  implementation date.  There were several countries that implemented restrictions before the US.  Also, it was not a ban as there were a good 11 or more exemptions, so it was about as effective as a screen door on a submarine.  Also, these restrictions with exceptions served to accelerate people coming back to the US, many of whom no doubt were already asymptomatic carriers. Finally, patients zero for RI and NY were people coming from Italy (in which the US imposed restrictions somewhat belatedly as well).</p>
<p>But then I fully expect donjonesmd to either be unaware of or conveniently ignore these facts.  And I fully expect the Trump and his Kool-Aid drinkers to continue to brag about this so-called travel ban.</p>
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		By: DoctorDJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 15:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108567&quot;&gt;CM&lt;/a&gt;.

MacArthur would love the attention, and bask in the howl of &quot;anti-Christian persecution.&quot;
Martyrbator...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108567">CM</a>.</p>
<p>MacArthur would love the attention, and bask in the howl of &#8220;anti-Christian persecution.&#8221;<br />
Martyrbator&#8230;</p>
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		By: otrotierra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108574&quot;&gt;thatotherjean&lt;/a&gt;.

The only god MacArthur is worshipping is himself. MacArthur&#039;s Alpha and Omega is a self-serving navel-gazing octogenarian White Nationalist Evangelical Patriarch. I&#039;m thankful to Dr. Throckmorton for helping to expose such blatantly idolatrous theology.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108574">thatotherjean</a>.</p>
<p>The only god MacArthur is worshipping is himself. MacArthur&#8217;s Alpha and Omega is a self-serving navel-gazing octogenarian White Nationalist Evangelical Patriarch. I&#8217;m thankful to Dr. Throckmorton for helping to expose such blatantly idolatrous theology.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t wonder that, I&#039;m pretty sure I know why.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t wonder that, I&#8217;m pretty sure I know why.</p>
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		By: Jeff Ryan		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108607</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108581&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

Absolutely. Arrogance masquerading as righteousness. And not very well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108581">ken</a>.</p>
<p>Absolutely. Arrogance masquerading as righteousness. And not very well.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 13:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108584&quot;&gt;donjonesmd&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Don&#039;t forget, according to the CDC, your change of dying from Covid-19 is 0.04%&quot;


No, you, nor the CDC,  know what Eeyore&#039;s chance of dying from Covid-19 is.  You have no idea whether or not Eeyore has any of a long list of medical conditions that could make the chances of dying MUCH higher than 0.04%.  Further, dying isn&#039;t the only bad outcome that can happen from contracting the virus.  



Trump wasn&#039;t attacked for being a xenophobe simply because of his banning all but essential travel from china.  That was simply 1 thing in a long list of xenophobic things Trump has done.  Further, Trump&#039;s behaviour wrt to the spread of covid-19 strongly indicate that the travel ban had little to do with stopping the spread and more to do with trying to hurt china.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108584">donjonesmd</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t forget, according to the CDC, your change of dying from Covid-19 is 0.04%&#8221;</p>
<p>No, you, nor the CDC,  know what Eeyore&#8217;s chance of dying from Covid-19 is.  You have no idea whether or not Eeyore has any of a long list of medical conditions that could make the chances of dying MUCH higher than 0.04%.  Further, dying isn&#8217;t the only bad outcome that can happen from contracting the virus.  </p>
<p>Trump wasn&#8217;t attacked for being a xenophobe simply because of his banning all but essential travel from china.  That was simply 1 thing in a long list of xenophobic things Trump has done.  Further, Trump&#8217;s behaviour wrt to the spread of covid-19 strongly indicate that the travel ban had little to do with stopping the spread and more to do with trying to hurt china.</p>
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		By: LT		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2020 12:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108578&quot;&gt;Jeff Ryan&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually, there is strong evidence that lockdowns don&#039;t work: https://mises.org/wire/why-americans-should-adopt-sweden-model-covid-19

That&#039;s one article of many showing the actual data separated from the emotion of it. People need to  look at actual numbers and data and try to separate the politics and the emotion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/08/19/l-a-county-applies-for-contempt-order-and-sanctions-against-grace-community-church-and-john-macarthur/#comment-108578">Jeff Ryan</a>.</p>
<p>Actually, there is strong evidence that lockdowns don&#8217;t work: <a href="https://mises.org/wire/why-americans-should-adopt-sweden-model-covid-19" rel="nofollow ugc">https://mises.org/wire/why-americans-should-adopt-sweden-model-covid-19</a></p>
<p>That&#8217;s one article of many showing the actual data separated from the emotion of it. People need to  look at actual numbers and data and try to separate the politics and the emotion.</p>
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