Comments on: Blog Theme: Mars Hill Church – Interview with Sutton Turner and Dave Bruskas, Part Two https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/07/30/blog-theme-mars-hill-church-interview-with-sutton-turner-and-dave-bruskas-part-two/ A [retired] college psychology professor's observations about public policy, mental health, sexual identity, and religious issues Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:18:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.1.3 By: Sutton Turner https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/07/30/blog-theme-mars-hill-church-interview-with-sutton-turner-and-dave-bruskas-part-two/#comment-108604 Thu, 20 Aug 2020 11:41:24 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=36395#comment-108604 In reply to Otter2.

Wanted to reach out again to have a zoom call or discussion on the phone. You can reach me at suttonturner@mac.com

]]> By: Mr Jesperson https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/07/30/blog-theme-mars-hill-church-interview-with-sutton-turner-and-dave-bruskas-part-two/#comment-108428 Fri, 14 Aug 2020 04:35:06 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=36395#comment-108428 When I think of people who find their way into positions of power that bring with it high paychecks, and people who play both sides of the fence defending the indefensible while they are in power and being paid nicely, and then turn and claim a false humility and throw rocks at the men and institutions that they were formerly defending, I think of one word: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machiavellianism_(psychology)

]]> By: nathankc https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/07/30/blog-theme-mars-hill-church-interview-with-sutton-turner-and-dave-bruskas-part-two/#comment-108408 Wed, 12 Aug 2020 17:11:15 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=36395#comment-108408 In reply to Sutton Turner.

I should clarify! I agreed w/ the part about the pastor title (from my limited and distant pov). I have no opinions as to the personal interactions / character judgements that Barb made. As I said in a different comment, I think you and Dave gave an excellent interview and appreciated the answers, it made things much more clear. Thanks (and gig’em! 🙂

]]> By: Sutton Turner https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/07/30/blog-theme-mars-hill-church-interview-with-sutton-turner-and-dave-bruskas-part-two/#comment-108399 Mon, 10 Aug 2020 15:55:11 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=36395#comment-108399 In reply to nathankc.

thanks

]]> By: Sutton Turner https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/07/30/blog-theme-mars-hill-church-interview-with-sutton-turner-and-dave-bruskas-part-two/#comment-108400 Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:45:18 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=36395#comment-108400 In reply to Otter2.

Otter2, I would love to talk with you. It seems like I did something to you in the past and would love to discuss.

]]> By: donjonesmd https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/07/30/blog-theme-mars-hill-church-interview-with-sutton-turner-and-dave-bruskas-part-two/#comment-108390 Fri, 07 Aug 2020 08:19:22 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=36395#comment-108390 Found the interview informative. Helpful to be able to identify lessons learned. I had been observing the situation with Mark Driscoll and the growing Mars Hill situation. Mars Hill did seem to be reaching a segment of the population with the Gospel in Seattle. It seemed that Mark was finally growing up when everything “hit the fan” and the consequences of his choices caught up. I found Sutton and Dave’s responses to be humble and didn’t blame Mark for everything. It appears they have learned some lessons as well. Thanks

]]> By: nathankc https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/07/30/blog-theme-mars-hill-church-interview-with-sutton-turner-and-dave-bruskas-part-two/#comment-108375 Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:39:55 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=36395#comment-108375 In reply to Barb.

Bruskas I can see being called a pastor, he was teaching and leading during that time. I agree w/ you re: Sutton. He seems to have been more of a COO than a teacher / pastor

]]> By: Barb https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/07/30/blog-theme-mars-hill-church-interview-with-sutton-turner-and-dave-bruskas-part-two/#comment-108374 Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:12:43 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=36395#comment-108374 I lived outside of Seattle through the whole Mars Hill story. But I moved to Spokane in 2011. Soon after I moved they bought an old church here and declared that they were starting up here. I remember a news story where they claimed Spokane, a city filled with Catholic Churches and Presbyterian churches and a university for each of them, was lacking in churches. I never knew what happened to the debt they left here from purchasing the church. My take away from listening to both parts: 1. I’m very happy to be a Presbyterian where we have established paths for recourse when a pastor or anyone is abusive. 2. Also happy to be in a church that has ordained women for over 100 years. When “elders” are all men stuff like this seems more likely. 3. Probably most importantly I bristled at them all having the title of “Pastor “ when none of them seemed to ever pastor anyone. These two only mentioned the congregants a couple of times. And then it was to lament that people were leaving in droves. What has happened to all of the people abandoned by Mars Hill? Did they find another church home where they could heal or did they abandon the church altogether? That’s the story I want to really hear.

]]> By: Otter2 https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/07/30/blog-theme-mars-hill-church-interview-with-sutton-turner-and-dave-bruskas-part-two/#comment-108371 Thu, 30 Jul 2020 20:59:45 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=36395#comment-108371 Haven’t watched this … yet. The first part angered me and also made me very sad. So many thoughts on the words that came out of those men’s mouths

I have respect for Bruskas. He preached well and seemed to have a love for the Lord and held His word in high esteem. Never spoke with him even to say “good morning”. In the first interview he seemed to be naive about conversions and I say that because he spoke so much about MH music just prior to all the “numbers” of so-called conversions. At one point in this history of MHC you had to show some understanding and not from hearing some song. Then it all became numbers.

Sutton is an entire different creature. Him I knew. And the farthest example of a pastor you could ever encounter. Manipulative and mean — in spirit and action. I don’t believe a word he says.

And that’s my attitude before watching part 2. Yet will watch with an open mind.

]]> By: nathankc https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/07/30/blog-theme-mars-hill-church-interview-with-sutton-turner-and-dave-bruskas-part-two/#comment-108370 Thu, 30 Jul 2020 14:29:02 +0000 https://www.wthrockmorton.com/?p=36395#comment-108370 Seems the guys have acquited themselves fairly well and that all the spin and obfuscation during those times was, if not direclty written by Mark, definitely had his imprimatur which, for me, is also disqualifying behavior. Thanks to all three of you – very good stuff.

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