Ok, point conceded. My state doesn’t need a government ID, but I was overly broad. What I meant was, in a lot of states, you do have to show ID. That is not was anti-voter ID people object to. Showing a form of ID is fine. What they object to is the mandate of needing to show government issued ID that cost both money and time to procure when there is no cause for why that is demonstrated.

No, a voter ID card will not cost the voter money (other than the value of his/her time). Any state that requires a government issued ID to vote, must provide a free one to eligible voters that request them. To do otherwise would constitute a “Poll tax” which is illegal.

Granted it will cost taxpayers a lot to pay for these ids, but not the individual getting them. The only way it could cost the voter is if they were getting an ID that allowed them to do something other than just vote (ex. a drivers license).

At least you have the decency to respond. I’m still waiting for “Big K” to tell me what ID is required to get welfare benefits in AL (or anywhere else really).

Have you even actually looked at anti-voter ID arguments? Just curious because, clearly, you don’t seem to understand them. I suggest reading an article this isn’t from some Right Wing trash website.

People do have to provide ID for voting too, the question is whether it has to be an official ID from the state that you have to pay for both in money and time. If you validate your ID though a SS card, bill with your name on it, or whatever, why does it matter?

This is also a solution is search of a problem. In-person voter fraud is not a problem of any significance. It doesn’t seem to make sense to prevent 10s of fraudulent votes by possibly preventing 1000s legitimate votes. Does it?

And I bet you hate government regulation and intervention, except of course, when you think it might help your preferred political party gain a slight advantage.

Show me how in-person vote fraud is a problem in any significance. You can’t do it. But, even going a step further, show me how it is a problem *even in principal*. Even theoretically. How could any large scale fraud be perpetrated using in-person voter fraud and not be easily discovered.

In-person voter fraud is essentially the stupidest, least effective, most work, most easily caught way to influence an election.

“People do have to provide ID for voting too,”

that is not correct. I have never had to provide ID to vote, just sign my name in the registry. Also, I have voted in many elections in a few different states.

What a scam. Cheater!

Tacitus,

Like the nick. A history buff are you? I am more of a military history buff myself.

As an aside, I found this to be an interesting read (if you are interested in 6th century military strategy):

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/maurices-strategikon-george-t-dennis/1126834951?ean=9780812217728

I read a long time ago.

This is such a dumb argument, you need an ID to do just about anything even in Alabama, like get a job, drive a car, rent a car, open a bank account, buy a gun, fly on a plane, apply for welfare, get a credit card, cash a check, buy alcohol, buy cigarettes, file unemployment, apply for food stamps, apply for Social Security, rent a house, buy a house, get married, adopt a pet, rent a hotel room, apply for a fishing license, apply for a hunting license.

But not vote.

Just say you want to make it easier to cheat.

Yup. His base has stuck with him through thick and thin. It was his second term, but Bush’s ratings had sunk to around 30% by the height of the financial crisis. If even Trump dips below 40% in the polling averages, that would be a surprise.

There are different types of ID. Not all of them would be accepted to VOTE in AL (or other states with Voter ID laws).

for example, exactly WHAT ID is required to apply for Welfare benefits in AL?

and please cite were you are getting that requirement from.