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		By: Warren Throckmorton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren Throckmorton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2020 20:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107130&quot;&gt;Headless Unicorn Guy&lt;/a&gt;.

I wrote once that they were related and the school and Staver made sure I knew they aren&#039;t related.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107130">Headless Unicorn Guy</a>.</p>
<p>I wrote once that they were related and the school and Staver made sure I knew they aren&#8217;t related.</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107156</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2020 18:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107105&quot;&gt;CandaceW&lt;/a&gt;.

If you live in Da Mitten (below Da Bridge), you&#039;re a Troll.
If you live in Da U.P. above Da Bridge, you&#039;re a Yooper.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107105">CandaceW</a>.</p>
<p>If you live in Da Mitten (below Da Bridge), you&#8217;re a Troll.<br />
If you live in Da U.P. above Da Bridge, you&#8217;re a Yooper.</p>
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		By: thatotherjean		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107140</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thatotherjean]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2020 13:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107130&quot;&gt;Headless Unicorn Guy&lt;/a&gt;.

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, yes, they are.


https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/liberty-counsel]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107130">Headless Unicorn Guy</a>.</p>
<p>According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, yes, they are.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/liberty-counsel" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/liberty-counsel</a></p>
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		By: ken		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107132</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2020 13:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107130&quot;&gt;Headless Unicorn Guy&lt;/a&gt;.

I don&#039;t know of any &quot;official&quot; affiliation.  However, Matt Staver, founder and chairman of liberty counsel, is also a law prof at Liberty U.  And I suspect a great many (all?) of the lawyers at Liberty Counsel  are grads of Liberty U.  although, I can&#039;t really tell if the &quot;legal team&quot; there consists of anything more than Staver and his wife.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107130">Headless Unicorn Guy</a>.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know of any &#8220;official&#8221; affiliation.  However, Matt Staver, founder and chairman of liberty counsel, is also a law prof at Liberty U.  And I suspect a great many (all?) of the lawyers at Liberty Counsel  are grads of Liberty U.  although, I can&#8217;t really tell if the &#8220;legal team&#8221; there consists of anything more than Staver and his wife.</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107130</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2020 13:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107086&quot;&gt;thatotherjean&lt;/a&gt;.

Is Liberty Counsel affiliated with Liberty U, or do they just have similar names?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107086">thatotherjean</a>.</p>
<p>Is Liberty Counsel affiliated with Liberty U, or do they just have similar names?</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107098</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2020 15:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107087&quot;&gt;Warren Throckmorton&lt;/a&gt;.

that&#039;s the problem I don&#039;t want the restaurant (or other businesses) to have my personal information (even just a phone number).   Also, given how fast this was put together, I suspect there aren&#039;t a lot of safe guards in place (i.e. &lt;em&gt;HOW&lt;/em&gt; said businesses can use/protect that information) on the information that is collected. 


As for contact tracing, cellphone (or even vehicle) location data to map that person&#039;s movements for the previous week.  then announcements put out to the public that if you were in certain locations at certain times, you may have been exposed. 


I&#039;m curious with the scheme proposed, how contact tracing is accomplished?

EX.  you go to a store, give your information (which is to be kept only at that business), then 2 days later you test positive for covid-19.  How does the contact tracing work at that point?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107087">Warren Throckmorton</a>.</p>
<p>that&#8217;s the problem I don&#8217;t want the restaurant (or other businesses) to have my personal information (even just a phone number).   Also, given how fast this was put together, I suspect there aren&#8217;t a lot of safe guards in place (i.e. <em>HOW</em> said businesses can use/protect that information) on the information that is collected. </p>
<p>As for contact tracing, cellphone (or even vehicle) location data to map that person&#8217;s movements for the previous week.  then announcements put out to the public that if you were in certain locations at certain times, you may have been exposed. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious with the scheme proposed, how contact tracing is accomplished?</p>
<p>EX.  you go to a store, give your information (which is to be kept only at that business), then 2 days later you test positive for covid-19.  How does the contact tracing work at that point?</p>
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		By: CandaceW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CandaceW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2020 13:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107094&quot;&gt;Richard Willmer&lt;/a&gt;.

Sad but true- we are Michiganders and we live in a mitten!]]></description>
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<p>Sad but true- we are Michiganders and we live in a mitten!</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107104</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2020 13:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107083&quot;&gt;Tacitus&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Far right conservative Christians have had apersecution complex ever since they started venturing into politics with the Moral Majority back at the start of the 1980s.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s actually been called &quot;Persecution Porn&quot;, and is too long and convoluted to go into here.

&lt;blockquote&gt;If Trump loses in November, the wailing and gnashing of teeth is going to be deafening.&lt;/blockquote
What I&#039;m worried about is a Twitter call for a &quot;Second Amendment Solution&quot;/BOOGALOO. 

One Tweet and the streets fill with AR-15s and Armbands.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107083">Tacitus</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Far right conservative Christians have had apersecution complex ever since they started venturing into politics with the Moral Majority back at the start of the 1980s.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s actually been called &#8220;Persecution Porn&#8221;, and is too long and convoluted to go into here.</p>
<blockquote><p>If Trump loses in November, the wailing and gnashing of teeth is going to be deafening.</blockquote
What I'm worried about is a Twitter call for a "Second Amendment Solution"/BOOGALOO. 

One Tweet and the streets fill with AR-15s and Armbands.</p></blockquote>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107102</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2020 12:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107099&quot;&gt;bluetah&lt;/a&gt;.

While making Young Earth Creationism and damning Darwin the Litmus Test of their Salvation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107099">bluetah</a>.</p>
<p>While making Young Earth Creationism and damning Darwin the Litmus Test of their Salvation.</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107101</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2020 12:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107096&quot;&gt;Eeyore&lt;/a&gt;.

As one TED Talk put it, &quot;We have all the infrastructure in place for a full Surveillance Police State -- all to get people to click on ads!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/05/01/liberty-counsel-fights-for-right-to-panic/#comment-107096">Eeyore</a>.</p>
<p>As one TED Talk put it, &#8220;We have all the infrastructure in place for a full Surveillance Police State &#8212; all to get people to click on ads!&#8221;</p>
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