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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107153</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2020 15:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107036&quot;&gt;bluetah&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;President for Life... We really need to try that here.&quot;
-- Donald J Trump (on Twitter, regarding Chinese President Xi)]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;President for Life&#8230; We really need to try that here.&#8221;<br />
&#8212; Donald J Trump (on Twitter, regarding Chinese President Xi)</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107074</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2020 11:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107073&quot;&gt;buddyglass23&lt;/a&gt;.

what &quot;principal&quot; are you claiming is the same?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107073">buddyglass23</a>.</p>
<p>what &#8220;principal&#8221; are you claiming is the same?</p>
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		By: buddyglass23		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107073</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[buddyglass23]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2020 02:08:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107032&quot;&gt;Tacitus&lt;/a&gt;.

Which is why I said &quot;I know it&#039;s not the flu; the principal is the same&quot;.]]></description>
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<p>Which is why I said &#8220;I know it&#8217;s not the flu; the principal is the same&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107064</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107004&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;     One report suggested covid-19 could cause stroke like symptom and other neurological impairment.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Here&#039;s the details from MedCram:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Bn8jsGI54]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107004">ken</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>     One report suggested covid-19 could cause stroke like symptom and other neurological impairment.</p></blockquote>
<p>Here&#8217;s the details from MedCram:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Bn8jsGI54" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22Bn8jsGI54</a></p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107063</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2020 11:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107026&quot;&gt;Headless Unicorn Guy&lt;/a&gt;.

P.S. Wondering Eagle referred to this video in one of his posts today (4/30/220) on junk science and COVID:


https://wonderingeagle.wordpress.com/2020/04/30/wooded-hills-church-in-the-milwaukee-area-junk-science-and-the-covid-19-pandemic/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107026">Headless Unicorn Guy</a>.</p>
<p>P.S. Wondering Eagle referred to this video in one of his posts today (4/30/220) on junk science and COVID:</p>
<p><a href="https://wonderingeagle.wordpress.com/2020/04/30/wooded-hills-church-in-the-milwaukee-area-junk-science-and-the-covid-19-pandemic/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://wonderingeagle.wordpress.com/2020/04/30/wooded-hills-church-in-the-milwaukee-area-junk-science-and-the-covid-19-pandemic/</a></p>
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		By: Headless Unicorn Guy		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107044</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Headless Unicorn Guy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2020 22:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107030&quot;&gt;Tacitus&lt;/a&gt;.

Anyone remember Tide Pods?

We had to tell people NOT to eat laundry detergent because Social Media said to.]]></description>
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<p>Anyone remember Tide Pods?</p>
<p>We had to tell people NOT to eat laundry detergent because Social Media said to.</p>
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		By: seashell		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107037</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seashell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107031&quot;&gt;buddyglass23&lt;/a&gt;.

Not sure that line drawing works here, mainly because the mitigation measures taken by the different states and counties have more loopholes than Trump’s tax returns. The same is true for the orders to open back up.

When protestors arrived at state capitals in groups, mostly maskless and without physical distances observed, nobody was arrested, jailed or even threatened as far as know. I know of one pastor who was arrested after multiple warnings to keep his large church closed. Many of the mitigation efforts depended on voluntary cooperation from the public and considering how fast they were adopted, it’s a tough call to say the government &lt;i&gt;legislated&lt;/i&gt; life priorities over the well being of the economy.

Compare the actions of the government for mitigation to the types of laws that the anti-abortion crowd is looking to legislate and hard code into our justice system, starting with personal autonomy offenses against women that aren’t recommended by any scientific expert. 

We aren’t talking about the same line being drawn in a different place here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107031">buddyglass23</a>.</p>
<p>Not sure that line drawing works here, mainly because the mitigation measures taken by the different states and counties have more loopholes than Trump’s tax returns. The same is true for the orders to open back up.</p>
<p>When protestors arrived at state capitals in groups, mostly maskless and without physical distances observed, nobody was arrested, jailed or even threatened as far as know. I know of one pastor who was arrested after multiple warnings to keep his large church closed. Many of the mitigation efforts depended on voluntary cooperation from the public and considering how fast they were adopted, it’s a tough call to say the government <i>legislated</i> life priorities over the well being of the economy.</p>
<p>Compare the actions of the government for mitigation to the types of laws that the anti-abortion crowd is looking to legislate and hard code into our justice system, starting with personal autonomy offenses against women that aren’t recommended by any scientific expert. </p>
<p>We aren’t talking about the same line being drawn in a different place here.</p>
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		By: seashell		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107038</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seashell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2020 15:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107031&quot;&gt;buddyglass23&lt;/a&gt;.

Not sure that line drawing works here, mainly because the mitigation measures taken by the different states and counties have more loopholes than Trump’s tax returns. The same is true for the orders to open back up.

When protestors arrived at state capitals in groups, mostly maskless and without physical distances observed, nobody was arrested, jailed or even threatened as far as know. I know of one pastor who was arrested after multiple warnings to keep his large church closed. Many of the mitigation efforts depended on voluntary cooperation from the public and considering how fast they were adopted, it’s a tough call to say the government &lt;i&gt;legislated&lt;/i&gt; life priorities over the well being of the economy.

Compare the actions of the government for mitigation to the types of laws that the anti-abortion crowd is looking to legislate and hard code into our justice system, starting with personal autonomy offenses against women that aren’t recommended by any scientific expert. 

We aren’t talking about the same line being drawn in a different place here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107031">buddyglass23</a>.</p>
<p>Not sure that line drawing works here, mainly because the mitigation measures taken by the different states and counties have more loopholes than Trump’s tax returns. The same is true for the orders to open back up.</p>
<p>When protestors arrived at state capitals in groups, mostly maskless and without physical distances observed, nobody was arrested, jailed or even threatened as far as know. I know of one pastor who was arrested after multiple warnings to keep his large church closed. Many of the mitigation efforts depended on voluntary cooperation from the public and considering how fast they were adopted, it’s a tough call to say the government <i>legislated</i> life priorities over the well being of the economy.</p>
<p>Compare the actions of the government for mitigation to the types of laws that the anti-abortion crowd is looking to legislate and hard code into our justice system, starting with personal autonomy offenses against women that aren’t recommended by any scientific expert. </p>
<p>We aren’t talking about the same line being drawn in a different place here.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107035</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2020 11:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107031&quot;&gt;buddyglass23&lt;/a&gt;.

If you insist on comparing it to the flu, then you should be comparing it to the Spanish flu, not the seasonal one.  



Lets assume covid and the flu have the same infection rate (although, data indicates covid is much more infectious than the flu).  Further assume that everyone who contracts either virus, will spread it to just 2 other people, and those people will each transmit it to 2 other people in turn.  That is an exponential growth rate (2^n).  However, if just one of those 2 other people has been vaccinated (as with the seasonal flu), then you go from an exponential growth rate, to a linear one.  And that is a HUGE difference in the spread of a disease.  Enough to distinguish between an &lt;em&gt;outbreak&lt;/em&gt; and an &lt;em&gt;epidemic&lt;/em&gt; or in the case of covid even worse, a &lt;em&gt;pandemic&lt;/em&gt;.


Further, aside from the infection rate, there are other concerns about the effects and treatment of the disease.  Seasonal flu is a well-known illness with well-known treatment plans.  Covid-19 is a new disease.  While it has aspects similar to the flu, the full long-term effects of this disease are still unknown.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107031">buddyglass23</a>.</p>
<p>If you insist on comparing it to the flu, then you should be comparing it to the Spanish flu, not the seasonal one.  </p>
<p>Lets assume covid and the flu have the same infection rate (although, data indicates covid is much more infectious than the flu).  Further assume that everyone who contracts either virus, will spread it to just 2 other people, and those people will each transmit it to 2 other people in turn.  That is an exponential growth rate (2^n).  However, if just one of those 2 other people has been vaccinated (as with the seasonal flu), then you go from an exponential growth rate, to a linear one.  And that is a HUGE difference in the spread of a disease.  Enough to distinguish between an <em>outbreak</em> and an <em>epidemic</em> or in the case of covid even worse, a <em>pandemic</em>.</p>
<p>Further, aside from the infection rate, there are other concerns about the effects and treatment of the disease.  Seasonal flu is a well-known illness with well-known treatment plans.  Covid-19 is a new disease.  While it has aspects similar to the flu, the full long-term effects of this disease are still unknown.</p>
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		By: bluetah		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107036</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bluetah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/04/27/first-things-and-more-covid-19-denialism/#comment-107025&quot;&gt;Headless Unicorn Guy&lt;/a&gt;.

Perhaps we are fortunate that the sort of &quot;Christian&quot; you refer to is a lot less than 31% of the population, or we might have president* Plump for li(f)e.]]></description>
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<p>Perhaps we are fortunate that the sort of &#8220;Christian&#8221; you refer to is a lot less than 31% of the population, or we might have president* Plump for li(f)e.</p>
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