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		By: AHH		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[In another example of &quot;Christians&quot; putting the almighty dollar ahead of the lives of their neighbors, Hobby Lobby stores in many places have been violating state orders for nonessential businesses to close.  Apparently they finally shut down today here in Colorado only after getting a formal letter from the Attorney General.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In another example of &#8220;Christians&#8221; putting the almighty dollar ahead of the lives of their neighbors, Hobby Lobby stores in many places have been violating state orders for nonessential businesses to close.  Apparently they finally shut down today here in Colorado only after getting a formal letter from the Attorney General.</p>
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		By: thatotherjean		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/24/is-there-a-pro-life-call-to-death/#comment-106365</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dan Patrick thinks that old folks should be willing to die to save the economy in a pandemic?  Is he willing to do that?  If he is, then, with apologies to Charles Dickens, &quot; [He] had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.&quot;  I am not willing to die for Wall Street.

Edited to add:  Donald Trump is a grandfather (literally) ten times over.  Has he volunteered yet?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Patrick thinks that old folks should be willing to die to save the economy in a pandemic?  Is he willing to do that?  If he is, then, with apologies to Charles Dickens, &#8221; [He] had better do it, and decrease the surplus population.&#8221;  I am not willing to die for Wall Street.</p>
<p>Edited to add:  Donald Trump is a grandfather (literally) ten times over.  Has he volunteered yet?</p>
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		By: CJ		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2020 20:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/24/is-there-a-pro-life-call-to-death/#comment-106313&quot;&gt;Big K&lt;/a&gt;.

Greetings Big K
I hope you and your family and friends are well.

I’m not certain what you are trying to express in you post.  Why are you upset that people don’t like Trump?  Trump didn’t like some of the past presidents and made no bones about it.  Why should you be upset when the name changed to Trump and it is his turn? It comes with the job.   This will change again at some point. 

I don’t understand the ‘new’ conservatism - mainly because it is not.  I truly believe that a person is accountable for what they say (including tweets) and do. (Or what they fail to say/do.).  

Do you realize that Trump fits into the category of ‘expendables’?  He is over 70 and a grandfather.  Shouldn’t he and the other older Republican leaders lead by example?  

Who in your family are you willing to take the hit?  Remember the odds are just that - odds.  It doesn’t prevent anyone from getting sick, even fatally ill.

What do you mean by cost?  Almost everyone in this country has taken a financial hit of some sort.  The financial lost of someone who was mugged can be quite trivial, but the emotional cost can be quite high.

Finally, while it is a Trump trade mark to attack all the time, I personally believe that it is a sign of weakness.  You can bully &#038; beat people into what you want, but the won’t respect you, like you or willingly cooperate with you.  It certainly isn’t conservatism - rational constructive dialogue - or Christian.  

Best regard,
CJ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/24/is-there-a-pro-life-call-to-death/#comment-106313">Big K</a>.</p>
<p>Greetings Big K<br />
I hope you and your family and friends are well.</p>
<p>I’m not certain what you are trying to express in you post.  Why are you upset that people don’t like Trump?  Trump didn’t like some of the past presidents and made no bones about it.  Why should you be upset when the name changed to Trump and it is his turn? It comes with the job.   This will change again at some point. </p>
<p>I don’t understand the ‘new’ conservatism &#8211; mainly because it is not.  I truly believe that a person is accountable for what they say (including tweets) and do. (Or what they fail to say/do.).  </p>
<p>Do you realize that Trump fits into the category of ‘expendables’?  He is over 70 and a grandfather.  Shouldn’t he and the other older Republican leaders lead by example?  </p>
<p>Who in your family are you willing to take the hit?  Remember the odds are just that &#8211; odds.  It doesn’t prevent anyone from getting sick, even fatally ill.</p>
<p>What do you mean by cost?  Almost everyone in this country has taken a financial hit of some sort.  The financial lost of someone who was mugged can be quite trivial, but the emotional cost can be quite high.</p>
<p>Finally, while it is a Trump trade mark to attack all the time, I personally believe that it is a sign of weakness.  You can bully &amp; beat people into what you want, but the won’t respect you, like you or willingly cooperate with you.  It certainly isn’t conservatism &#8211; rational constructive dialogue &#8211; or Christian.  </p>
<p>Best regard,<br />
CJ</p>
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		By: Big K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/24/is-there-a-pro-life-call-to-death/#comment-106357&quot;&gt;CJ&lt;/a&gt;.

Hello CJ,

For a better understanding please watch this video with Victor Davis Hanson. I hope you can view the whole video... if not it would be good to start at the 7 minute mark.
https://youtu.be/XpKboaGPVo4

Cordially,
Big K]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/24/is-there-a-pro-life-call-to-death/#comment-106357">CJ</a>.</p>
<p>Hello CJ,</p>
<p>For a better understanding please watch this video with Victor Davis Hanson. I hope you can view the whole video&#8230; if not it would be good to start at the 7 minute mark.<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/XpKboaGPVo4" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/XpKboaGPVo4</a></p>
<p>Cordially,<br />
Big K</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/24/is-there-a-pro-life-call-to-death/#comment-106324&quot;&gt;Warren Throckmorton&lt;/a&gt;.

Warren,


He knows what he knows, don&#039;t try to confuse him with &lt;em&gt;FACTS&lt;/em&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/24/is-there-a-pro-life-call-to-death/#comment-106324">Warren Throckmorton</a>.</p>
<p>Warren,</p>
<p>He knows what he knows, don&#8217;t try to confuse him with <em>FACTS</em>.</p>
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		By: janet pesenti		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[janet pesenti]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve added a corollary in my evolving mental scheme of cults and hypocrisy. When someone proposes a bold and radically self-sacrificing spin of Christianity, *yet proposes OTHER people adopt this position, not THEMSELVES*, it is maniacal manipulation of those with some sense of agape love. It is anti-Christ and should be called out immediately and often. In this case, RR Reno needs to provide the Christian example of going first: He/she needs to provide a public declaration and a facsimile of his own DNR, denying him/herself medical care should the need arise, and a detailed explanation of how he/she will distance from younger loved ones until this crisis ends (possibly 2 years) so as not to burden a health system because rightfully he/she cannot in effect weaken access to others, in furtherance of his/her goals. If unwilling to do this, he/she deserves a flood of backlash. These same standards apply especially to those with power and a voice, the Governors and Glenn Becks of this world who enjoy wealth, privilege and Cadillac health care. We deserve to see their DNRs and fax them to every hospital in our areas.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve added a corollary in my evolving mental scheme of cults and hypocrisy. When someone proposes a bold and radically self-sacrificing spin of Christianity, *yet proposes OTHER people adopt this position, not THEMSELVES*, it is maniacal manipulation of those with some sense of agape love. It is anti-Christ and should be called out immediately and often. In this case, RR Reno needs to provide the Christian example of going first: He/she needs to provide a public declaration and a facsimile of his own DNR, denying him/herself medical care should the need arise, and a detailed explanation of how he/she will distance from younger loved ones until this crisis ends (possibly 2 years) so as not to burden a health system because rightfully he/she cannot in effect weaken access to others, in furtherance of his/her goals. If unwilling to do this, he/she deserves a flood of backlash. These same standards apply especially to those with power and a voice, the Governors and Glenn Becks of this world who enjoy wealth, privilege and Cadillac health care. We deserve to see their DNRs and fax them to every hospital in our areas.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/24/is-there-a-pro-life-call-to-death/#comment-106324&quot;&gt;Warren Throckmorton&lt;/a&gt;.

Warren,


He knows what he knows, don&#039;t try to confuse him with &lt;em&gt;FACTS&lt;/em&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/24/is-there-a-pro-life-call-to-death/#comment-106324">Warren Throckmorton</a>.</p>
<p>Warren,</p>
<p>He knows what he knows, don&#8217;t try to confuse him with <em>FACTS</em>.</p>
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		By: Mr Jesperson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Jesperson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2020 02:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/24/is-there-a-pro-life-call-to-death/#comment-106340&quot;&gt;Eeyore&lt;/a&gt;.

Who said you cannot do both?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/24/is-there-a-pro-life-call-to-death/#comment-106340">Eeyore</a>.</p>
<p>Who said you cannot do both?</p>
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		By: Mr Jesperson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Jesperson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2020 00:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another very good video that, as far as I can tell at this time, is pretty complete in what is going on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbKMNpYBCTc]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another very good video that, as far as I can tell at this time, is pretty complete in what is going on: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbKMNpYBCTc" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbKMNpYBCTc</a></p>
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		By: Mr Jesperson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Jesperson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2020 16:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I do have a logical question about how preaching is done concerning the Bible.  I think every preacher I have heard, and I have heard a lot over 49 years, takes scriptures that apply to a certain people at a certain time in history and then tries to make them relevant to our days and times.  So King David&#039;s struggles, become our struggles, Peter&#039;s denial becomes our denial and etc.  This is commonly done throughout both Testaments but the logic behind which scriptures get chosen does not make sense to me.  There is a whole lot of cherry picking going on where certain verses are constantly repeated, while others that are even God speaking in the first person are totally and completely ignored.  I would think the direct statements coming from God would receive more emphasis because most of those are very clear and direct.  The other passages, and some of them used very commonly, require a lot of jumping through hoops as a relevant message for today for us appears to get forced into them.

For instance, from my daily scripture reading and meditation:  

Zeph. 2:1, &quot;Gather together, gather yourselves together, you shameful nation,
before the decree takes effect and that day passes like windblown chaff,
before the Lord’s fierce anger comes upon you,
before the day of the Lord’s wrath comes upon you.
Seek the Lord, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands.
Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the Lord’s anger.&quot;

This section precedes a section where God judges the nations that surround Israel, so that is the original context.  And yet if you do what preachers do with other texts then it becomes quite clear that &lt;b&gt;every shameful nation&lt;/b&gt; today needs to fear the Lord, which means 1) humbling yourself and 2) doing what the Lord commands us to.  The preceding chapter includes a promise from God to totally eradicate every human being off of our planet.  So why are certain texts cherry picked that do not have God speaking in the first person, and ones like these where He is are ignored?  Does ignoring many chunks of the Bible lead to truth, wisdom and understanding?  Or our we just so into self-deception and denial that we pretend the scriptures never say things that we really, really do not like?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do have a logical question about how preaching is done concerning the Bible.  I think every preacher I have heard, and I have heard a lot over 49 years, takes scriptures that apply to a certain people at a certain time in history and then tries to make them relevant to our days and times.  So King David&#8217;s struggles, become our struggles, Peter&#8217;s denial becomes our denial and etc.  This is commonly done throughout both Testaments but the logic behind which scriptures get chosen does not make sense to me.  There is a whole lot of cherry picking going on where certain verses are constantly repeated, while others that are even God speaking in the first person are totally and completely ignored.  I would think the direct statements coming from God would receive more emphasis because most of those are very clear and direct.  The other passages, and some of them used very commonly, require a lot of jumping through hoops as a relevant message for today for us appears to get forced into them.</p>
<p>For instance, from my daily scripture reading and meditation:  </p>
<p>Zeph. 2:1, &#8220;Gather together, gather yourselves together, you shameful nation,<br />
before the decree takes effect and that day passes like windblown chaff,<br />
before the Lord’s fierce anger comes upon you,<br />
before the day of the Lord’s wrath comes upon you.<br />
Seek the Lord, all you humble of the land, you who do what he commands.<br />
Seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you will be sheltered on the day of the Lord’s anger.&#8221;</p>
<p>This section precedes a section where God judges the nations that surround Israel, so that is the original context.  And yet if you do what preachers do with other texts then it becomes quite clear that <b>every shameful nation</b> today needs to fear the Lord, which means 1) humbling yourself and 2) doing what the Lord commands us to.  The preceding chapter includes a promise from God to totally eradicate every human being off of our planet.  So why are certain texts cherry picked that do not have God speaking in the first person, and ones like these where He is are ignored?  Does ignoring many chunks of the Bible lead to truth, wisdom and understanding?  Or our we just so into self-deception and denial that we pretend the scriptures never say things that we really, really do not like?</p>
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