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		By: LT		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/16/covid-19-information-and-open-forum/#comment-106356</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/16/covid-19-information-and-open-forum/#comment-106335&quot;&gt;MyPetSlug&lt;/a&gt;.

No, I understand how objectivity works. Anyone can be wrong. I never appealed to a time they were wrong (though those exist). The point is that they are interpreting data and are not always reliable in the interpretation of that data. Nor are they always transparent. Here is an article that explains some of the issues: https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snopes-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/#2fec4246227f

Furthermore, they can be completely accurate in what they say but present something misleading by what they omit. 

John Bolton, who is no fan of this administration, said, &quot;Claims that streamlining NSC structures impaired our nation&#039;s bio defense are false. Global health remained a top NSC priority, and its expert team was critical to effectively handling the 2018-19 Africa Ebola crisis. The angry Left just can&#039;t stop attacking, even in a crisis.&quot;

Reuter&#039;s, which is no right wing source, labels the claim only &quot;partly false&quot;: https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-trump-fired-pandemic-team/partly-false-claim-trump-fired-pandemic-response-team-in-2018-idUSKBN21C32M

Feel free to differ on Snopes. I don&#039;t check them. If others do, fine. The point in this case is that they are contradicting the word of a person who was actually there. And they are contradicting the plain fact that the office still exists in another place in the organization.

As for the office still existing: https://lmgtfy.com/?q=office+of+biodefense+pandemic+nsc]]></description>
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<p>No, I understand how objectivity works. Anyone can be wrong. I never appealed to a time they were wrong (though those exist). The point is that they are interpreting data and are not always reliable in the interpretation of that data. Nor are they always transparent. Here is an article that explains some of the issues: <a href="https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snopes-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/#2fec4246227f" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snopes-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/#2fec4246227f</a></p>
<p>Furthermore, they can be completely accurate in what they say but present something misleading by what they omit. </p>
<p>John Bolton, who is no fan of this administration, said, &#8220;Claims that streamlining NSC structures impaired our nation&#8217;s bio defense are false. Global health remained a top NSC priority, and its expert team was critical to effectively handling the 2018-19 Africa Ebola crisis. The angry Left just can&#8217;t stop attacking, even in a crisis.&#8221;</p>
<p>Reuter&#8217;s, which is no right wing source, labels the claim only &#8220;partly false&#8221;: <a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-trump-fired-pandemic-team/partly-false-claim-trump-fired-pandemic-response-team-in-2018-idUSKBN21C32M" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-trump-fired-pandemic-team/partly-false-claim-trump-fired-pandemic-response-team-in-2018-idUSKBN21C32M</a></p>
<p>Feel free to differ on Snopes. I don&#8217;t check them. If others do, fine. The point in this case is that they are contradicting the word of a person who was actually there. And they are contradicting the plain fact that the office still exists in another place in the organization.</p>
<p>As for the office still existing: <a href="https://lmgtfy.com/?q=office+of+biodefense+pandemic+nsc" rel="nofollow ugc">https://lmgtfy.com/?q=office+of+biodefense+pandemic+nsc</a></p>
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		By: Big K		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2020 15:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/16/covid-19-information-and-open-forum/#comment-106341&quot;&gt;Big K&lt;/a&gt;.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Approval rating up five percentage points from prior poll
60% approve of president&#039;s response to COVID-19
Job approval higher among independents, Democrats]]></description>
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<p>STORY HIGHLIGHTS<br />
Approval rating up five percentage points from prior poll<br />
60% approve of president&#8217;s response to COVID-19<br />
Job approval higher among independents, Democrats</p>
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		By: Big K		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2020 15:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/16/covid-19-information-and-open-forum/#comment-106306&quot;&gt;DoctorDJ&lt;/a&gt;.

President Trump&#039;s Job Approval Rating Up to 49%
https://news.gallup.com/poll/298313/president-trump-job-approval-rating.aspx]]></description>
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<p>President Trump&#8217;s Job Approval Rating Up to 49%<br />
<a href="https://news.gallup.com/poll/298313/president-trump-job-approval-rating.aspx" rel="nofollow ugc">https://news.gallup.com/poll/298313/president-trump-job-approval-rating.aspx</a></p>
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		By: MyPetSlug		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/16/covid-19-information-and-open-forum/#comment-106333&quot;&gt;LT&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It is Snopes&#039; word--their interpretation of the data, which, as others have shown, is not always reliable.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Part of the problem is, you misunderstand how objectivity works.  Anyone could be wrong.  Nobody is 100.0% reliable.  The correct measure is *not*, they were wrong one time so they are not reliable (noting that you didn&#039;t provide evidence here).  You look at how transparent they are and *when* they are wrong, what do they do about it?  

One the first point, they list their sources.  You can go to the sources and see if they are misrepresenting.  By all means, do that.  On the second point, when they are wrong, they have a public contact form through which to issue corrections.  By all means, do that.  When they issue corrections, they are noted in the main article.  These are some of the reason I trust them.  In addition, they try to avoid inflammatory language unlike, say, The Federalist.

&lt;blockquote&gt;But the fact is that the office still exists. You can verify that in numerous places. It was simply reorganized into a different spot in the organization.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Cite missing.  -10 points.]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>It is Snopes&#8217; word&#8211;their interpretation of the data, which, as others have shown, is not always reliable.</p></blockquote>
<p>Part of the problem is, you misunderstand how objectivity works.  Anyone could be wrong.  Nobody is 100.0% reliable.  The correct measure is *not*, they were wrong one time so they are not reliable (noting that you didn&#8217;t provide evidence here).  You look at how transparent they are and *when* they are wrong, what do they do about it?  </p>
<p>One the first point, they list their sources.  You can go to the sources and see if they are misrepresenting.  By all means, do that.  On the second point, when they are wrong, they have a public contact form through which to issue corrections.  By all means, do that.  When they issue corrections, they are noted in the main article.  These are some of the reason I trust them.  In addition, they try to avoid inflammatory language unlike, say, The Federalist.</p>
<blockquote><p>But the fact is that the office still exists. You can verify that in numerous places. It was simply reorganized into a different spot in the organization.</p></blockquote>
<p>Cite missing.  -10 points.</p>
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		By: LT		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2020 13:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/16/covid-19-information-and-open-forum/#comment-106281&quot;&gt;MyPetSlug&lt;/a&gt;.

It is Snopes&#039; word--their interpretation of the data, which, as others have shown, is not always reliable. 

But the fact is that the office still exists. You can verify that in numerous places. It was simply reorganized into a different spot in the organization.]]></description>
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<p>It is Snopes&#8217; word&#8211;their interpretation of the data, which, as others have shown, is not always reliable. </p>
<p>But the fact is that the office still exists. You can verify that in numerous places. It was simply reorganized into a different spot in the organization.</p>
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		By: Richard Willmer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/16/covid-19-information-and-open-forum/#comment-106308&quot;&gt;Mr Jesperson&lt;/a&gt;.

Putting it more prosaically: when people say &quot;when things get back to normal ...&quot;, I respond by saying that we should not &#039;go back to normal&#039;; it was &#039;normal&#039; that was the cause of the problem!  We need to do things differently, respecting the reality that, if we play fast and loose with the created order, it reserves the right to turn round and bite us on the bottom!






I still do not think that this present crisis is &#039;an act of God&#039;.  Furthermore, I believe there is a real danger that, if we think this way, we could end up be failing to take seriously the responsibility given to us in (the allegorical but profoundly truthful story in) Genesis 2.  I know might wish to quote certain portions of Scripture is response to my contention, but, as I&#039;m sure you&#039;ve guessed, I am ready with some answers!




But now we must find some real answers to some very important questions.  This crisis could bring great opportunities to reassess our personal and social behaviour and, yes, I have no doubt that great scriptural themes (the role of humans as stewards, care for the poor, listening to what the Still Small Voice is trying to tell us ...) should be central to that reassessment.]]></description>
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<p>Putting it more prosaically: when people say &#8220;when things get back to normal &#8230;&#8221;, I respond by saying that we should not &#8216;go back to normal&#8217;; it was &#8216;normal&#8217; that was the cause of the problem!  We need to do things differently, respecting the reality that, if we play fast and loose with the created order, it reserves the right to turn round and bite us on the bottom!</p>
<p>I still do not think that this present crisis is &#8216;an act of God&#8217;.  Furthermore, I believe there is a real danger that, if we think this way, we could end up be failing to take seriously the responsibility given to us in (the allegorical but profoundly truthful story in) Genesis 2.  I know might wish to quote certain portions of Scripture is response to my contention, but, as I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ve guessed, I am ready with some answers!</p>
<p>But now we must find some real answers to some very important questions.  This crisis could bring great opportunities to reassess our personal and social behaviour and, yes, I have no doubt that great scriptural themes (the role of humans as stewards, care for the poor, listening to what the Still Small Voice is trying to tell us &#8230;) should be central to that reassessment.</p>
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		By: Mr Jesperson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2020 11:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/16/covid-19-information-and-open-forum/#comment-106307&quot;&gt;mirele&lt;/a&gt;.

Narcissists who want to be the center of attention hate not having an audience.  On the other hand he is used to making his radio show without an audience.  I am more concerned about the lemmings who listened and sucked up his garbage.  

The fear of the Lord is what God is actually saying at the current moment.  And that none of us have enough of, which is why God has to do something severe enough to get our attention.  Few of our celebrities are going to tell us to repent, and the ones that do are the hypocrites who are not doing it themselves.  God has been telling me for years that He wants us to repent and that is why I have foreseen the difficulties of the times that we are just now entering into.  In the next short weeks and months we are entering a time where we choose either God&#039;s ways or stay with the world&#039;s ways and that will effect the rest of our life either for the better or the worse.]]></description>
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<p>Narcissists who want to be the center of attention hate not having an audience.  On the other hand he is used to making his radio show without an audience.  I am more concerned about the lemmings who listened and sucked up his garbage.  </p>
<p>The fear of the Lord is what God is actually saying at the current moment.  And that none of us have enough of, which is why God has to do something severe enough to get our attention.  Few of our celebrities are going to tell us to repent, and the ones that do are the hypocrites who are not doing it themselves.  God has been telling me for years that He wants us to repent and that is why I have foreseen the difficulties of the times that we are just now entering into.  In the next short weeks and months we are entering a time where we choose either God&#8217;s ways or stay with the world&#8217;s ways and that will effect the rest of our life either for the better or the worse.</p>
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		By: mirele		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2020 22:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/16/covid-19-information-and-open-forum/#comment-106252&quot;&gt;DoctorDJ&lt;/a&gt;.

I wonder how James feels about his first sermon being virtual because of the statewide quarantine. (And yes, I checked, he preached today.)]]></description>
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<p>I wonder how James feels about his first sermon being virtual because of the statewide quarantine. (And yes, I checked, he preached today.)</p>
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		By: DoctorDJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2020 19:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/16/covid-19-information-and-open-forum/#comment-106305&quot;&gt;Big K&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;Trump made 33 false claims about the coronavirus crisis in the first two weeks of March&lt;/i&gt;
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/politics/fact-check-trump-coronavirus-false-claims-march/]]></description>
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<p><i>Trump made 33 false claims about the coronavirus crisis in the first two weeks of March</i><br />
<a href="https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/politics/fact-check-trump-coronavirus-false-claims-march/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/politics/fact-check-trump-coronavirus-false-claims-march/</a></p>
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		By: Big K		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2020 19:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/03/16/covid-19-information-and-open-forum/#comment-106294&quot;&gt;DoctorDJ&lt;/a&gt;.

Majority of Americans now say they approve of Trump&#039;s handling of coronavirus: poll
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488597-majority-of-americans-approve-of-trumps-handling-of-coronavirus-poll

Poll: Majority of Americans now approve of Trump’s coronavirus management
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/poll-majority-of-americans-now-approve-of-trumps-coronavirus-management-138570]]></description>
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<p>Majority of Americans now say they approve of Trump&#8217;s handling of coronavirus: poll<br />
<a href="https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488597-majority-of-americans-approve-of-trumps-handling-of-coronavirus-poll" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/488597-majority-of-americans-approve-of-trumps-handling-of-coronavirus-poll</a></p>
<p>Poll: Majority of Americans now approve of Trump’s coronavirus management<br />
<a href="https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/poll-majority-of-americans-now-approve-of-trumps-coronavirus-management-138570" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/20/poll-majority-of-americans-now-approve-of-trumps-coronavirus-management-138570</a></p>
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