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		By: ken		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106120</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2020 23:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106119&quot;&gt;TV&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;It just appears to me that many people here want to disenfranchise Bible-based Christians&quot;


No, what they want is for these &quot;bible-based christians&quot;  to stop thinking they get special treatment simply because they are christian.  That they are allowed to wave their bibles and declare laws they don&#039;t like don&#039;t apply to them.  




&quot;the accusation of him wanting to investigate the Bidens activities in Ukraine out of fear that Biden would definitely beat him in elections seriously lacks merits.&quot;


again you misrepresent the facts.   What Trump did was abuse the power of his office in an attempt at personal political gain.]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;It just appears to me that many people here want to disenfranchise Bible-based Christians&#8221;</p>
<p>No, what they want is for these &#8220;bible-based christians&#8221;  to stop thinking they get special treatment simply because they are christian.  That they are allowed to wave their bibles and declare laws they don&#8217;t like don&#8217;t apply to them.  </p>
<p>&#8220;the accusation of him wanting to investigate the Bidens activities in Ukraine out of fear that Biden would definitely beat him in elections seriously lacks merits.&#8221;</p>
<p>again you misrepresent the facts.   What Trump did was abuse the power of his office in an attempt at personal political gain.</p>
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		By: TV		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106119</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2020 21:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106118&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

And I clarified that by great, I meant rather specific policies of Trump, especially religious freedom and freedom of speech.  It doesn&#039;t mean that I condone everything that he does.  It just appears to me that many people here want to disenfranchise Bible-based Christians hence they see Trump as a threat because he has been advocating on our behalf. 

I agree with the Senate&#039;s decision, the accusation of him wanting to investigate the Bidens activities in Ukraine out of fear that Biden would definitely beat him in elections seriously lacks merits. I wonder if Biden is doing so poorly in the primaries because after watching the impeachment trial of Trump, the public started to believe that Joe might have been doing something inappropriate in Ukraine indeed and if he publicly addresses this issue,  would voters increase their support for him?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106118">ken</a>.</p>
<p>And I clarified that by great, I meant rather specific policies of Trump, especially religious freedom and freedom of speech.  It doesn&#8217;t mean that I condone everything that he does.  It just appears to me that many people here want to disenfranchise Bible-based Christians hence they see Trump as a threat because he has been advocating on our behalf. </p>
<p>I agree with the Senate&#8217;s decision, the accusation of him wanting to investigate the Bidens activities in Ukraine out of fear that Biden would definitely beat him in elections seriously lacks merits. I wonder if Biden is doing so poorly in the primaries because after watching the impeachment trial of Trump, the public started to believe that Joe might have been doing something inappropriate in Ukraine indeed and if he publicly addresses this issue,  would voters increase their support for him?</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106118</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2020 20:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106117&quot;&gt;TV&lt;/a&gt;.

That certainly isn&#039;t the impression you give.  At the beginning of this thread you wrote: 




&quot;because our great President Trump got acquitted over bogus accusation of being involved in the Ukrainian affair&quot;


that isn&#039;t a comment from someone simply picking &quot;the lesser evil&quot; but rather someone blindly defending the inappropriate behavour of a sitting president.]]></description>
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<p>That certainly isn&#8217;t the impression you give.  At the beginning of this thread you wrote: </p>
<p>&#8220;because our great President Trump got acquitted over bogus accusation of being involved in the Ukrainian affair&#8221;</p>
<p>that isn&#8217;t a comment from someone simply picking &#8220;the lesser evil&#8221; but rather someone blindly defending the inappropriate behavour of a sitting president.</p>
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		By: TV		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2020 17:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106116&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

Trump and Sanders both got problems, but I find that Trump is the lesser of the two evils.]]></description>
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<p>Trump and Sanders both got problems, but I find that Trump is the lesser of the two evils.</p>
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		By: TV		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2020 15:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106112&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

Sanders couldn&#039;t care less why Hawkins resigned from Wheaton.  It should be noted that it was a private religious institution.  But he made a bigoted assumption that  because Vought has published a statement on Wheaton&#039;s website stating their school&#039;s position on Islam, that he hates Muslims therefore he is unfit to work for federal government supported by our taxpayers&#039; money.  So in this regard, Sanders did use a religious test.  It&#039;s different compared to private organizations such as Wheaton.  I wonder if Sanders has the same view on all Bible-based Christians that he has on Vought.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106112">ken</a>.</p>
<p>Sanders couldn&#8217;t care less why Hawkins resigned from Wheaton.  It should be noted that it was a private religious institution.  But he made a bigoted assumption that  because Vought has published a statement on Wheaton&#8217;s website stating their school&#8217;s position on Islam, that he hates Muslims therefore he is unfit to work for federal government supported by our taxpayers&#8217; money.  So in this regard, Sanders did use a religious test.  It&#8217;s different compared to private organizations such as Wheaton.  I wonder if Sanders has the same view on all Bible-based Christians that he has on Vought.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2020 14:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106110&quot;&gt;TV&lt;/a&gt;.

Sanders goes after a christian bigot, and you turn that around to claim that it is Sanders who is being bigoted?   Vought was the one who applied a religious test in supporting Wheaton&#039;s firing of Hawkins.   



Yet you, in true Trumpian fasion, twisted the facts to try to claim it is Sanders who is apply a religious test.  


I certainly hope taxes do go back up.   The budget Trump signed is adding TRILLIONS of dollars to the US debt.  That debt needs to be paid down.   Also, the debt raises slower (sometimes even decreases) under Democratic administrations than it does under Republican ones.  i.e. democratic presidents have been more fiscally responsible in their budget negotiations than republican ones have been.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106110">TV</a>.</p>
<p>Sanders goes after a christian bigot, and you turn that around to claim that it is Sanders who is being bigoted?   Vought was the one who applied a religious test in supporting Wheaton&#8217;s firing of Hawkins.   </p>
<p>Yet you, in true Trumpian fasion, twisted the facts to try to claim it is Sanders who is apply a religious test.  </p>
<p>I certainly hope taxes do go back up.   The budget Trump signed is adding TRILLIONS of dollars to the US debt.  That debt needs to be paid down.   Also, the debt raises slower (sometimes even decreases) under Democratic administrations than it does under Republican ones.  i.e. democratic presidents have been more fiscally responsible in their budget negotiations than republican ones have been.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2020 11:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106115&quot;&gt;TV&lt;/a&gt;.

No, &lt;em&gt;SANDERS&lt;/em&gt; didn&#039;t create that reputation, conservative christians  twisted his words to create that false impression of Sanders.  


The fact that this mis-representation &quot;terrifies&quot; you  while Trump does not, says more about you than it does Sanders.]]></description>
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<p>No, <em>SANDERS</em> didn&#8217;t create that reputation, conservative christians  twisted his words to create that false impression of Sanders.  </p>
<p>The fact that this mis-representation &#8220;terrifies&#8221; you  while Trump does not, says more about you than it does Sanders.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2020 10:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106114&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

Look, you asked me a question why I feel not comfortable about Sanders becoming our president and I gave you my best answer.  The fact is that many people know about this political theater, and even though Sanders might be well-meaning, he created a reputation as being hostile to Evangelical Christians.  Because of this, it will give more power to the &#039;religious right&#039; lobby who are right now aligned with Trump.]]></description>
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<p>Look, you asked me a question why I feel not comfortable about Sanders becoming our president and I gave you my best answer.  The fact is that many people know about this political theater, and even though Sanders might be well-meaning, he created a reputation as being hostile to Evangelical Christians.  Because of this, it will give more power to the &#8216;religious right&#8217; lobby who are right now aligned with Trump.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2020 10:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106113&quot;&gt;TV&lt;/a&gt;.

No, YOU are the one making assumptions about Sanders.  and the link you cited doesn&#039;t support that assumption.  




Further, Sanders didn&#039;t simply assume.  He asked specific questions which Vought doged.  Ex:








&lt;blockquote&gt;SANDERS: And do you think your statement that you put 
into that publication, “They do not know God because they rejected Jesus Christ, the Son, and they stand condemned.” Do you think that’s respectful of other religions?
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


A simple &quot;Yes/No&quot; question.  the response: 


&lt;blockquote&gt;VOUGHT: Senator. I wrote a post based on being a Christian and attending a Christian school that has a statement of faith that speaks clearly with regard to the centrality of Jesus Christ in 
salvation.
&lt;/blockquote&gt; 



Notice, Vought never actually answers about the question that whas asked.   However, this whole thing is nothing more than a case of political theater.  Sanders was attacking a Trump appointee that he didn&#039;t like.  You however, have twisted that into claiming Sander&#039;s is bigoted against christians (or perhaps just evangelicals).]]></description>
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<p>No, YOU are the one making assumptions about Sanders.  and the link you cited doesn&#8217;t support that assumption.  </p>
<p>Further, Sanders didn&#8217;t simply assume.  He asked specific questions which Vought doged.  Ex:</p>
<blockquote><p>SANDERS: And do you think your statement that you put<br />
into that publication, “They do not know God because they rejected Jesus Christ, the Son, and they stand condemned.” Do you think that’s respectful of other religions?
</p></blockquote>
<p>A simple &#8220;Yes/No&#8221; question.  the response: </p>
<blockquote><p>VOUGHT: Senator. I wrote a post based on being a Christian and attending a Christian school that has a statement of faith that speaks clearly with regard to the centrality of Jesus Christ in<br />
salvation.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Notice, Vought never actually answers about the question that whas asked.   However, this whole thing is nothing more than a case of political theater.  Sanders was attacking a Trump appointee that he didn&#8217;t like.  You however, have twisted that into claiming Sander&#8217;s is bigoted against christians (or perhaps just evangelicals).</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Feb 2020 05:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/30/ted-cruzs-false-ukraine-narrative/#comment-106109&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

Sanders doesn&#039;t want evangelicals to be public servants and let alone to have any jobs.  He thinks we are Islamophobic and homophobic, like many so-called progressives think.  After reading this: https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2017/06/08/bernie-sanders-was-wrong-to-challenge-a-christian-nominees-theology/, I came to conclusion that he is the epitome of the leftwing bigotry, hence I would not be comfortable having him as our president.

You are correct about Congress levying taxes, and considering that currently Democrats, including Schiff, Pelosi, and AOC are in control of the House, should they remain in power, plus becoming majority in the Senate, plus Bernie getting elected in November, I would expect our taxes to go up.]]></description>
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<p>Sanders doesn&#8217;t want evangelicals to be public servants and let alone to have any jobs.  He thinks we are Islamophobic and homophobic, like many so-called progressives think.  After reading this: <a href="https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2017/06/08/bernie-sanders-was-wrong-to-challenge-a-christian-nominees-theology/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2017/06/08/bernie-sanders-was-wrong-to-challenge-a-christian-nominees-theology/</a>, I came to conclusion that he is the epitome of the leftwing bigotry, hence I would not be comfortable having him as our president.</p>
<p>You are correct about Congress levying taxes, and considering that currently Democrats, including Schiff, Pelosi, and AOC are in control of the House, should they remain in power, plus becoming majority in the Senate, plus Bernie getting elected in November, I would expect our taxes to go up.</p>
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