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		By: DoctorDJ		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[No so O/T: The MAGA Church
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoglNFN5-Js
By &lt;i&gt;The Lincoln Project&lt;/i&gt;


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No so O/T: The MAGA Church<br />
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<p>via <a href="https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/01/09/this-brilliant-new-ad-highlights-the-hypocrisy-of-trump-loving-evangelicals/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2020/01/09/this-brilliant-new-ad-highlights-the-hypocrisy-of-trump-loving-evangelicals/</a></p>
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		By: Eeyore		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2020 11:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/08/eric-metaxas-christian-case-against-the-constitution/#comment-105846&quot;&gt;Hrafn&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Biblical morality&quot; can indeed be molded to just about anything, if you proof text it enough. A Christ-centered morality is another thing entirely. The more I think about it, the crazier it is - evangelicals claim the divinity of Christ as foundational to their faith, and yet draw their morality from just about any and every source *except* His example.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2020/01/08/eric-metaxas-christian-case-against-the-constitution/#comment-105846">Hrafn</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Biblical morality&#8221; can indeed be molded to just about anything, if you proof text it enough. A Christ-centered morality is another thing entirely. The more I think about it, the crazier it is &#8211; evangelicals claim the divinity of Christ as foundational to their faith, and yet draw their morality from just about any and every source *except* His example.</p>
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		By: Hrafn		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hrafn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jan 2020 03:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;In the 1990s some Democrats were antiabortion. Neither party could exclusively claim the high ground on this deepest of moral issues.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
A moral issue so deep that that Jesus never mentioned it, it receives no explicit mention in the Ten Commandments, and nor even any explicit mention of it in the Bible at all (let alone explicit prohibition, or explicit equation with murder).
Metaxas&#039; diatribe is not &quot;The &lt;i&gt;Christian&lt;/i&gt; Case for Trump&quot;, it is rather the &lt;i&gt;Evangelical&lt;/i&gt; case for Trump, the Two Commandments of his and his fellow travelers&#039; Evangelical religion being:
1) No abortions.
2) No gays.
(With the implicit permission to ignore anything that darn socialist Jesus had to say about the poor and downtrodden and so forth.)


&lt;blockquote&gt;If slavery was rightly considered wicked ...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Not if the Bible is the basis for your morality its not. The Bible has no problems with slavery, and even lays down rules for it, including differentiated treatment of Jewish and non-Jewish slaves, that bears some resemblance to the differentiation in antebellum US of indentured servitude (for Europeans) versus chattel slavery (for non-Europeans).
On this basis, I&#039;d suggest that &quot;Biblical morality&quot; is an &lt;b&gt;oxymoron&lt;/b&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In the 1990s some Democrats were antiabortion. Neither party could exclusively claim the high ground on this deepest of moral issues.</p></blockquote>
<p>A moral issue so deep that that Jesus never mentioned it, it receives no explicit mention in the Ten Commandments, and nor even any explicit mention of it in the Bible at all (let alone explicit prohibition, or explicit equation with murder).<br />
Metaxas&#8217; diatribe is not &#8220;The <i>Christian</i> Case for Trump&#8221;, it is rather the <i>Evangelical</i> case for Trump, the Two Commandments of his and his fellow travelers&#8217; Evangelical religion being:<br />
1) No abortions.<br />
2) No gays.<br />
(With the implicit permission to ignore anything that darn socialist Jesus had to say about the poor and downtrodden and so forth.)</p>
<blockquote><p>If slavery was rightly considered wicked &#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Not if the Bible is the basis for your morality its not. The Bible has no problems with slavery, and even lays down rules for it, including differentiated treatment of Jewish and non-Jewish slaves, that bears some resemblance to the differentiation in antebellum US of indentured servitude (for Europeans) versus chattel slavery (for non-Europeans).<br />
On this basis, I&#8217;d suggest that &#8220;Biblical morality&#8221; is an <b>oxymoron</b>.</p>
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		By: Hrafn		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;In the 1990s some Democrats were antiabortion. Neither party could exclusively claim the high ground on this deepest of moral issues.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
A moral issue so deep that that Jesus never mentioned it, it receives no explicit mention in the Ten Commandments, and nor even any explicit mention of it in the Bible at all (let alone explicit prohibition, or explicit equation with murder).
Metaxas&#039; diatribe is not &quot;The &lt;i&gt;Christian&lt;/i&gt; Case for Trump&quot;, it is rather the &lt;i&gt;Evangelical&lt;/i&gt; case for Trump, the Two Commandments of his and his fellow travelers&#039; Evangelical religion being:
1) No abortions.
2) No gays.
(With the implicit permission to ignore anything that darn socialist Jesus had to say about the poor and downtrodden and so forth.)


&lt;blockquote&gt;If slavery was rightly considered wicked ...&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Not if the Bible is the basis for your morality its not. The Bible has no problems with slavery, and even lays down rules for it, including differentiated treatment of Jewish and non-Jewish slaves, that bears some resemblance to the differentiation in antebellum US of indentured servitude (for Europeans) versus chattel slavery (for non-Europeans).
On this basis, I&#039;d suggest that &quot;Biblical morality&quot; is an &lt;b&gt;oxymoron&lt;/b&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In the 1990s some Democrats were antiabortion. Neither party could exclusively claim the high ground on this deepest of moral issues.</p></blockquote>
<p>A moral issue so deep that that Jesus never mentioned it, it receives no explicit mention in the Ten Commandments, and nor even any explicit mention of it in the Bible at all (let alone explicit prohibition, or explicit equation with murder).<br />
Metaxas&#8217; diatribe is not &#8220;The <i>Christian</i> Case for Trump&#8221;, it is rather the <i>Evangelical</i> case for Trump, the Two Commandments of his and his fellow travelers&#8217; Evangelical religion being:<br />
1) No abortions.<br />
2) No gays.<br />
(With the implicit permission to ignore anything that darn socialist Jesus had to say about the poor and downtrodden and so forth.)</p>
<blockquote><p>If slavery was rightly considered wicked &#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Not if the Bible is the basis for your morality its not. The Bible has no problems with slavery, and even lays down rules for it, including differentiated treatment of Jewish and non-Jewish slaves, that bears some resemblance to the differentiation in antebellum US of indentured servitude (for Europeans) versus chattel slavery (for non-Europeans).<br />
On this basis, I&#8217;d suggest that &#8220;Biblical morality&#8221; is an <b>oxymoron</b>.</p>
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		By: MyPetSlug		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2020 17:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What seems to be missing from Metaxas&#039;s piece is any acknowledgement that if Trump is guilty of what he&#039;s been alleged, he should indeed by removed.  That what he is accused of is wrong and despite agreeing with his polices the rule of law is important.  Instead, what we get is essentially fear-mongering that because the Democrats are so much worse because of &quot;issues of historic significance&quot;, that Evangelicals should give him a pass.

To me, this sounds like how you end up with terrible government.  If Metaxas&#039;s opinion prevails, then what you have is a sizable portion of the population that essentially says that it&#039;s ok to lie, cheat, steal, abuse your power, be staggeringly ignorant, incompetent, and subvert the democratic process as long as you deliver on a handful of issues and one&#039;s political enemies be painted in a bad enough light. 
 Which, of course, they always can.  One thing demagogues have never run out of is boogiemen and boogie-issues.    And then, if people will let them do it, you can be sure some amoral individuals will rise to power and take advantage of that.

Indeed, given that this fight is of &quot;historic importance&quot;, what action can&#039;t he excuse?  One imagines if there even is a line.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What seems to be missing from Metaxas&#8217;s piece is any acknowledgement that if Trump is guilty of what he&#8217;s been alleged, he should indeed by removed.  That what he is accused of is wrong and despite agreeing with his polices the rule of law is important.  Instead, what we get is essentially fear-mongering that because the Democrats are so much worse because of &#8220;issues of historic significance&#8221;, that Evangelicals should give him a pass.</p>
<p>To me, this sounds like how you end up with terrible government.  If Metaxas&#8217;s opinion prevails, then what you have is a sizable portion of the population that essentially says that it&#8217;s ok to lie, cheat, steal, abuse your power, be staggeringly ignorant, incompetent, and subvert the democratic process as long as you deliver on a handful of issues and one&#8217;s political enemies be painted in a bad enough light.<br />
 Which, of course, they always can.  One thing demagogues have never run out of is boogiemen and boogie-issues.    And then, if people will let them do it, you can be sure some amoral individuals will rise to power and take advantage of that.</p>
<p>Indeed, given that this fight is of &#8220;historic importance&#8221;, what action can&#8217;t he excuse?  One imagines if there even is a line.</p>
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		By: Lijdare		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2020 17:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All they&#039;ve become are Trump  zombies.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All they&#8217;ve become are Trump  zombies.</p>
<p><a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts" rel="nofollow ugc">https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ejga4kJUts</a></p>
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		By: Neil Rickert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Rickert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2020 12:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Metaxas&lt;/strong&gt;: Despite ultrasounds and 4-D imaging, Democrats endorse abortion with near unanimity, often beyond viability and until birth.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I usually vote for the Democrat candidates, though I consider myself an independent.

I do not endorse abortion.  As far as I know, there are many Democrats who do not endorse abortion.

What I do endorse, is that the decision should be made by the woman and her doctor.  Eric Metaxas should not be dictating what decision is to be made.

Quite simply, Metaxas is bearing false witness.  He is telling malicious lies about Democrats for purposes of favoring his own political view.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><strong>Metaxas</strong>: Despite ultrasounds and 4-D imaging, Democrats endorse abortion with near unanimity, often beyond viability and until birth.</p></blockquote>
<p>I usually vote for the Democrat candidates, though I consider myself an independent.</p>
<p>I do not endorse abortion.  As far as I know, there are many Democrats who do not endorse abortion.</p>
<p>What I do endorse, is that the decision should be made by the woman and her doctor.  Eric Metaxas should not be dictating what decision is to be made.</p>
<p>Quite simply, Metaxas is bearing false witness.  He is telling malicious lies about Democrats for purposes of favoring his own political view.</p>
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		By: Jeff Ryan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jan 2020 12:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sadly, this is the truth of things for the modern Republican Party. Bill Clinton had barely been sworn in before the Republicans set about driving him from office. George H.W. Bush, a Yankee Brahmin of a variety I know fairly well, believed himself that Clinton, being some yahoo from Darkest Arkansas, was an illegitimate president. (This, of course, changed after Clinton completed his two terms and the two of them actually became friends.) And thanks to amazingly vague and bad reporting by Jeff Geth in the &lt;i&gt;New York Times&lt;/i&gt; concerning a failed venture called Whitewater, they thought they had a hook. That there was no evidence of Clinton wrongdoing (by either Bill or Hillary) mattered not a whit. Republicans simply made stuff up. (This is not to say Clinton did not do wrong regarding Monica Lewinski, just that there was no legitimate reason for the Whitewater investigation to even have a phone number by the time that came to light -  they had found nothing to justify their investigation into Whitewater, or Travelgate, or Filegate, or Vince Foster&#039;s suicide, and they knew it long before the Lewinsky allegations came to light. They just didn&#039;t tell anyone, lest the investigation be shuttered.) 



It has become obvious that Republicans worship power and have nothing but disdain for the Constitution. They don&#039;t believe in the Constitution, especially when it frustrates their drive for power. And opportunists like Metaxas are clutching Trump&#039;s coattails to expand their own power. If he actually cared about the Constitution, he would recognize that Trump is &lt;i&gt;precisely&lt;/i&gt; the sort of president the Framers feared, and for whom they crafted the power of impeachment. Can anyone say with a straight face that if a Democrat been caught trying to bribe a foreign power in exchange for personal political gain that the Republicans would be responding the way they are responding to Trump?


When Trump is gone, we may or may not have a country left. When Trump is gone, people like Metaxas will have some questions to answer. They will not be shielded by the people, because Trump thinks of himself as a strongman, and regimes run by strongmen almost never survive the loss of that strongman. After Richard Nixon left office, it was hard to figure out how he had ever won in the first place, because no one admitted to voting for him. It will be the same with Trump.


Opportunists like Metaxas are the flies on the elephant&#039;s hide of authoritarianism.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sadly, this is the truth of things for the modern Republican Party. Bill Clinton had barely been sworn in before the Republicans set about driving him from office. George H.W. Bush, a Yankee Brahmin of a variety I know fairly well, believed himself that Clinton, being some yahoo from Darkest Arkansas, was an illegitimate president. (This, of course, changed after Clinton completed his two terms and the two of them actually became friends.) And thanks to amazingly vague and bad reporting by Jeff Geth in the <i>New York Times</i> concerning a failed venture called Whitewater, they thought they had a hook. That there was no evidence of Clinton wrongdoing (by either Bill or Hillary) mattered not a whit. Republicans simply made stuff up. (This is not to say Clinton did not do wrong regarding Monica Lewinski, just that there was no legitimate reason for the Whitewater investigation to even have a phone number by the time that came to light &#8211;  they had found nothing to justify their investigation into Whitewater, or Travelgate, or Filegate, or Vince Foster&#8217;s suicide, and they knew it long before the Lewinsky allegations came to light. They just didn&#8217;t tell anyone, lest the investigation be shuttered.) </p>
<p>It has become obvious that Republicans worship power and have nothing but disdain for the Constitution. They don&#8217;t believe in the Constitution, especially when it frustrates their drive for power. And opportunists like Metaxas are clutching Trump&#8217;s coattails to expand their own power. If he actually cared about the Constitution, he would recognize that Trump is <i>precisely</i> the sort of president the Framers feared, and for whom they crafted the power of impeachment. Can anyone say with a straight face that if a Democrat been caught trying to bribe a foreign power in exchange for personal political gain that the Republicans would be responding the way they are responding to Trump?</p>
<p>When Trump is gone, we may or may not have a country left. When Trump is gone, people like Metaxas will have some questions to answer. They will not be shielded by the people, because Trump thinks of himself as a strongman, and regimes run by strongmen almost never survive the loss of that strongman. After Richard Nixon left office, it was hard to figure out how he had ever won in the first place, because no one admitted to voting for him. It will be the same with Trump.</p>
<p>Opportunists like Metaxas are the flies on the elephant&#8217;s hide of authoritarianism.</p>
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