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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/10/18/about-donald-trumps-let-the-kids-fight-analogy/#comment-104410&quot;&gt;Warren Throckmorton&lt;/a&gt;.

MG is conflating 2 different issues.  MG is arguing about the larger issues of whether (or to what extent) the US should be involved in the middle east.  Whereas the issue at hand is whether Trump should have withdrawn the troops in the manner that he did.  Even if the argument could be made for pulling out of syria or the middle east in general, that doesn&#039;t mean the US should suddenly do it, with out warning allies and leaving them vulnerable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/10/18/about-donald-trumps-let-the-kids-fight-analogy/#comment-104410">Warren Throckmorton</a>.</p>
<p>MG is conflating 2 different issues.  MG is arguing about the larger issues of whether (or to what extent) the US should be involved in the middle east.  Whereas the issue at hand is whether Trump should have withdrawn the troops in the manner that he did.  Even if the argument could be made for pulling out of syria or the middle east in general, that doesn&#8217;t mean the US should suddenly do it, with out warning allies and leaving them vulnerable.</p>
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		By: Warren Throckmorton		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Warren Throckmorton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Oct 2019 10:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/10/18/about-donald-trumps-let-the-kids-fight-analogy/#comment-104404&quot;&gt;MG&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;The reason for remaining in Syria is gone.&quot;

I completely disagree and I know the Kurds do as well. Cutting and running on allies who wanted a homeland out of the deal they made with us is not in our national interest either. An emboldened Russia is not in our national interest.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/10/18/about-donald-trumps-let-the-kids-fight-analogy/#comment-104404">MG</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;The reason for remaining in Syria is gone.&#8221;</p>
<p>I completely disagree and I know the Kurds do as well. Cutting and running on allies who wanted a homeland out of the deal they made with us is not in our national interest either. An emboldened Russia is not in our national interest.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Oct 2019 10:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/10/18/about-donald-trumps-let-the-kids-fight-analogy/#comment-104405&quot;&gt;MG&lt;/a&gt;.

Whether they are called ISIS or reform as another group is irrelevant, a whole lot of them have been released because of Trump&#039;s sudden withdrawal.  However,  I never said anything about ISIS so not sure why you mentioned them.




About 1/4 of the US oil supply comes from the middle east (as you said, most from Saudi arabia).  Disrupting that supply can cause serious problems.  Further,  the middle east produces &gt; 40% of all oil, if that gets disrupted it will have a significant impact on oil prices and the US, that is why the US is involved in the middle east.   As for Syria specifically, it is because conflicts anywhere in the middle east can cause disruptions through out the middle east and because the US wants as big a foothold in the middle east as it can get.  




&quot;Is it too much to ask for a more balanced approach?&quot;


No, that is a perfectly reasonable thing to ask for.  However, your initial question was &quot;why were we in syria to begin with?&quot; and the short answer is &quot;oil&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/10/18/about-donald-trumps-let-the-kids-fight-analogy/#comment-104405">MG</a>.</p>
<p>Whether they are called ISIS or reform as another group is irrelevant, a whole lot of them have been released because of Trump&#8217;s sudden withdrawal.  However,  I never said anything about ISIS so not sure why you mentioned them.</p>
<p>About 1/4 of the US oil supply comes from the middle east (as you said, most from Saudi arabia).  Disrupting that supply can cause serious problems.  Further,  the middle east produces > 40% of all oil, if that gets disrupted it will have a significant impact on oil prices and the US, that is why the US is involved in the middle east.   As for Syria specifically, it is because conflicts anywhere in the middle east can cause disruptions through out the middle east and because the US wants as big a foothold in the middle east as it can get.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Is it too much to ask for a more balanced approach?&#8221;</p>
<p>No, that is a perfectly reasonable thing to ask for.  However, your initial question was &#8220;why were we in syria to begin with?&#8221; and the short answer is &#8220;oil&#8221;.</p>
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		By: MG		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Oct 2019 06:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/10/18/about-donald-trumps-let-the-kids-fight-analogy/#comment-104380&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

A case can be made for the fight against ISIS, but ISIS is not a meaningful power any more, and, other than a few attacks inspired by the ideology, they won&#039;t be coming back.

Syria is now a messy proxy war between several different regional powers and Russia.  Staying involved risks us getting entangled in a much broader war that really isn&#039;t our affair.

And a mess in Syria doesn&#039;t really affect our oil supply; most of our oil is now produced domestically or in Canada.  Even Saudi oil isn&#039;t really directly affected by what happens in Syria.

Sure, if Iran were to completely control Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon, they would be able to intimidate Saudi Arabia, which could influence the supply of Saudi oil, but there are enough other regional players that don&#039;t want that to happen (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Israel, Russia) that we don&#039;t need to step in to stop that.

In WWII, we learned that not getting involved soon enough allowed Hitler to become a major power, resulting in a major, costly war that could have been prevented.  Since then, the U.S. has gone overboard in the other direction, meddling in things that don&#039;t need meddled with.  Is it too much to ask for a more balanced approach?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/10/18/about-donald-trumps-let-the-kids-fight-analogy/#comment-104380">ken</a>.</p>
<p>A case can be made for the fight against ISIS, but ISIS is not a meaningful power any more, and, other than a few attacks inspired by the ideology, they won&#8217;t be coming back.</p>
<p>Syria is now a messy proxy war between several different regional powers and Russia.  Staying involved risks us getting entangled in a much broader war that really isn&#8217;t our affair.</p>
<p>And a mess in Syria doesn&#8217;t really affect our oil supply; most of our oil is now produced domestically or in Canada.  Even Saudi oil isn&#8217;t really directly affected by what happens in Syria.</p>
<p>Sure, if Iran were to completely control Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon, they would be able to intimidate Saudi Arabia, which could influence the supply of Saudi oil, but there are enough other regional players that don&#8217;t want that to happen (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Israel, Russia) that we don&#8217;t need to step in to stop that.</p>
<p>In WWII, we learned that not getting involved soon enough allowed Hitler to become a major power, resulting in a major, costly war that could have been prevented.  Since then, the U.S. has gone overboard in the other direction, meddling in things that don&#8217;t need meddled with.  Is it too much to ask for a more balanced approach?</p>
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		By: MG		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Oct 2019 06:23:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/10/18/about-donald-trumps-let-the-kids-fight-analogy/#comment-104385&quot;&gt;Warren Throckmorton&lt;/a&gt;.

ISIS is dead.  Sure, the ideology isn&#039;t quite gone and will probably inspire a few more attacks, but in terms of controlling territory it&#039;s been destroyed.  That reason for remaining in Syria is gone.

Now the proxy war between Russia, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Israel is their business.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/10/18/about-donald-trumps-let-the-kids-fight-analogy/#comment-104385">Warren Throckmorton</a>.</p>
<p>ISIS is dead.  Sure, the ideology isn&#8217;t quite gone and will probably inspire a few more attacks, but in terms of controlling territory it&#8217;s been destroyed.  That reason for remaining in Syria is gone.</p>
<p>Now the proxy war between Russia, Turkey, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Israel is their business.</p>
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