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	Comments on: George Washington Warned About &#8220;the Party Spirit&#8221; and Foreign Influence	</title>
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		By: MyPetSlug		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Even though I am vehemently anti-Trump.  I was never on the impeachment train until now.  Even after the Mueller report, I thought, even though impeachment was warranted for obstruction of justice, it was probably best for the long term interests of the country that he be voted out of office instead.  So, I was against it.  But seriously, what else can the Democrats do now?  What other options do they have when the president is abusing the authority of his office to coerce foreign governments into investigating his political opponents?  It&#039;s so beyond the pale.

Maybe he doesn&#039;t realize, but he&#039;s essentially backed the Democrats into a corner.  If they accept this behavior, then they&#039;ve all but conceded his re-election and maybe all future elections as this becomes the new go-to political strategy, using all the coercive power of the state to drum up phony investigations and charges against anyone that looks like a threat.  Especially in places with state media like China, Russia, or Ukraine.  The more embarrassing, the better.  I think the Democrats are fighting for their survival at this point.

Is that too strong?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though I am vehemently anti-Trump.  I was never on the impeachment train until now.  Even after the Mueller report, I thought, even though impeachment was warranted for obstruction of justice, it was probably best for the long term interests of the country that he be voted out of office instead.  So, I was against it.  But seriously, what else can the Democrats do now?  What other options do they have when the president is abusing the authority of his office to coerce foreign governments into investigating his political opponents?  It&#8217;s so beyond the pale.</p>
<p>Maybe he doesn&#8217;t realize, but he&#8217;s essentially backed the Democrats into a corner.  If they accept this behavior, then they&#8217;ve all but conceded his re-election and maybe all future elections as this becomes the new go-to political strategy, using all the coercive power of the state to drum up phony investigations and charges against anyone that looks like a threat.  Especially in places with state media like China, Russia, or Ukraine.  The more embarrassing, the better.  I think the Democrats are fighting for their survival at this point.</p>
<p>Is that too strong?</p>
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		By: seashell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Oct 2019 18:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/10/04/george-washington-warned-about-the-party-spirit-and-foreign-influence/#comment-104158&quot;&gt;otrotierra&lt;/a&gt;.

The weird thing is that Trump’s behavior is based on his beliefs in the conspiracy theories and lies that originated within the fringe and not-so-fringe right to explain away the truths that weren’t helpful and to distort reality enough to get him re-elected. 

But Trump is so dumb and incompetent that he’s looking at impeachment instead because he apparently believes the alternate facts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/10/04/george-washington-warned-about-the-party-spirit-and-foreign-influence/#comment-104158">otrotierra</a>.</p>
<p>The weird thing is that Trump’s behavior is based on his beliefs in the conspiracy theories and lies that originated within the fringe and not-so-fringe right to explain away the truths that weren’t helpful and to distort reality enough to get him re-elected. </p>
<p>But Trump is so dumb and incompetent that he’s looking at impeachment instead because he apparently believes the alternate facts.</p>
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		By: David Rahrer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Oct 2019 17:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/10/04/george-washington-warned-about-the-party-spirit-and-foreign-influence/#comment-104172&quot;&gt;MyPetSlug&lt;/a&gt;.

I am with you, and I went through the same back and forth about which path was best. However, I still think impeachment is politically dangerous, and could very well cause the Democrats more trouble in the next election. That said, it seems the constitutionally mandated response to such behavior. If we don&#039;t do it now, I don&#039;t know when we would. To my mind, it all ends up as &quot;it is the right thing to do.&quot; But to anyone who proposes that this will make a Democratic challenger the next president, think again. It has a more than likely chance of causing the opposite.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/10/04/george-washington-warned-about-the-party-spirit-and-foreign-influence/#comment-104172">MyPetSlug</a>.</p>
<p>I am with you, and I went through the same back and forth about which path was best. However, I still think impeachment is politically dangerous, and could very well cause the Democrats more trouble in the next election. That said, it seems the constitutionally mandated response to such behavior. If we don&#8217;t do it now, I don&#8217;t know when we would. To my mind, it all ends up as &#8220;it is the right thing to do.&#8221; But to anyone who proposes that this will make a Democratic challenger the next president, think again. It has a more than likely chance of causing the opposite.</p>
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		By: otrotierra		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2019 23:25:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thank you for this relevant and historically-grounded response, Dr. Throckmorton. Of course, a sizable number of people can’t identify what&#039;s wrong with Donald Trump&#039;s unlawful behavior as Trump and his followers regularly traffic in the following diversionary tactics: 

conspiracy theories, 
lies, 
deception, 
obfuscation, 
whataboutery, 
false equivalencies, and 
fear-mongering. 

We can see such intellectual sloth coming directly from the White House, from Russian troll farms, and from U.S. White Evangelicals as evidenced in recent comment section spamming.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this relevant and historically-grounded response, Dr. Throckmorton. Of course, a sizable number of people can’t identify what&#8217;s wrong with Donald Trump&#8217;s unlawful behavior as Trump and his followers regularly traffic in the following diversionary tactics: </p>
<p>conspiracy theories,<br />
lies,<br />
deception,<br />
obfuscation,<br />
whataboutery,<br />
false equivalencies, and<br />
fear-mongering. </p>
<p>We can see such intellectual sloth coming directly from the White House, from Russian troll farms, and from U.S. White Evangelicals as evidenced in recent comment section spamming.</p>
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		By: seashell		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/10/04/george-washington-warned-about-the-party-spirit-and-foreign-influence/#comment-104153</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[seashell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Oct 2019 17:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;“Shall the man who has practised corruption, and by that means procured his appointment in the first instance, be suffered to escape punishment by repeating his guilt?”&lt;/i&gt;  ~George Mason of Virginia during the Constitutional Convention and the impeachment discussion.

I would like this essay 100 times if I could. Has anyone noticed how Pelosi has mentioned several times in interviews of how she came to impeachment that &quot;we&#039;re a republic, if we can keep it?&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Shall the man who has practised corruption, and by that means procured his appointment in the first instance, be suffered to escape punishment by repeating his guilt?”</i>  ~George Mason of Virginia during the Constitutional Convention and the impeachment discussion.</p>
<p>I would like this essay 100 times if I could. Has anyone noticed how Pelosi has mentioned several times in interviews of how she came to impeachment that &#8220;we&#8217;re a republic, if we can keep it?&#8221;</p>
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