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	Comments on: Patheos Evangelical Blogger Says El Paso and Dayton Shootings Appear to be False Flag Operations (UPDATED)	</title>
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		By: David Rahrer		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2019 03:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Conspiracy nonsense existed before the internet but not nearly to this degree. Like all things involving human beings, the net has good and bad, and unfortunately the bad traits of users have been amplified greatly with the collective power it wields. People can act like mobs in their instant attacks on others, and these absurd machinations can bubble up from nothing because human beings are wired to find patterns in everything. The more points of information available, the more connections one can imagine. We have never had this much information available to our minds at one time.



Add to this what seems like some sort of psychological need to feel like things are being controlled in secret in an almost religious manner, and the dual need to feel privy to that secret knowledge, and you get what we have now. The only thing in my personal life I can compare it to at all is the UFO craze in the 1970s. This was a strange time when even the President was saying he had seen them, even though something unidentified viewed optically from the ground is hardly news. When you are around &quot;true believers&quot; it becomes in some ways like a cult, with willing disbelief in the facts and creative explanations for their lack.


There absolutely is no arguing with those fully indoctrinated. There is no common ground they recognize. I tried to enjoy some &quot;live&quot; YouTube videos of the original Apollo 11 landings for this past 50th anniversary. They had live concurrent chats and while many were just enjoying the memories and the marvel of it all, a flood of people descended to claim it was all fake. I remember when most of this started with a movie named Capricorn One in the 70s (there was also a junk book around the same time, but it didn&#039;t have the exposure the movie did). To think it would have grown to this degree by now was never in my wildest imagination.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conspiracy nonsense existed before the internet but not nearly to this degree. Like all things involving human beings, the net has good and bad, and unfortunately the bad traits of users have been amplified greatly with the collective power it wields. People can act like mobs in their instant attacks on others, and these absurd machinations can bubble up from nothing because human beings are wired to find patterns in everything. The more points of information available, the more connections one can imagine. We have never had this much information available to our minds at one time.</p>
<p>Add to this what seems like some sort of psychological need to feel like things are being controlled in secret in an almost religious manner, and the dual need to feel privy to that secret knowledge, and you get what we have now. The only thing in my personal life I can compare it to at all is the UFO craze in the 1970s. This was a strange time when even the President was saying he had seen them, even though something unidentified viewed optically from the ground is hardly news. When you are around &#8220;true believers&#8221; it becomes in some ways like a cult, with willing disbelief in the facts and creative explanations for their lack.</p>
<p>There absolutely is no arguing with those fully indoctrinated. There is no common ground they recognize. I tried to enjoy some &#8220;live&#8221; YouTube videos of the original Apollo 11 landings for this past 50th anniversary. They had live concurrent chats and while many were just enjoying the memories and the marvel of it all, a flood of people descended to claim it was all fake. I remember when most of this started with a movie named Capricorn One in the 70s (there was also a junk book around the same time, but it didn&#8217;t have the exposure the movie did). To think it would have grown to this degree by now was never in my wildest imagination.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Aug 2019 03:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/06/patheos-evangelical-blogger-says-el-paso-and-dayton-shootings-appear-to-be-false-flag-operations/#comment-103203&quot;&gt;Jeff Ryan&lt;/a&gt;.

Usually I don&#039;t waste my time w/ conspiracy theorists  But when I do respond to a &quot;Prove I&#039;m wrong&quot; claim, it is usually just a simple &quot;You are wrong.&quot; and when they claim I didn&#039;t prove that, I point out: &quot;I&#039;ve given as much proof for my statement as you have for yours.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/06/patheos-evangelical-blogger-says-el-paso-and-dayton-shootings-appear-to-be-false-flag-operations/#comment-103203">Jeff Ryan</a>.</p>
<p>Usually I don&#8217;t waste my time w/ conspiracy theorists  But when I do respond to a &#8220;Prove I&#8217;m wrong&#8221; claim, it is usually just a simple &#8220;You are wrong.&#8221; and when they claim I didn&#8217;t prove that, I point out: &#8220;I&#8217;ve given as much proof for my statement as you have for yours.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Jeff Ryan		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/06/patheos-evangelical-blogger-says-el-paso-and-dayton-shootings-appear-to-be-false-flag-operations/#comment-103205</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2019 23:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/06/patheos-evangelical-blogger-says-el-paso-and-dayton-shootings-appear-to-be-false-flag-operations/#comment-103204&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

I rather like that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/06/patheos-evangelical-blogger-says-el-paso-and-dayton-shootings-appear-to-be-false-flag-operations/#comment-103204">ken</a>.</p>
<p>I rather like that.</p>
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		By: Jeff Ryan		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/06/patheos-evangelical-blogger-says-el-paso-and-dayton-shootings-appear-to-be-false-flag-operations/#comment-103203</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Ryan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2019 19:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/06/patheos-evangelical-blogger-says-el-paso-and-dayton-shootings-appear-to-be-false-flag-operations/#comment-103200&quot;&gt;ken&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks. I managed to get there, with your help.


Ultimately, there is no arguing with conspiracy theorists, because they cheat. To wit, they make outrageous claims, then demand you prove they&#039;re wrong. (Which will never convince them anyway, but...) In the reality-based world, it is generally understood that if one makes an extraordinary claim, the person making the claim has the burden of proof. 



In Conspiracyland, extraordinary claims are their stock in trade. So the response is always &quot;Prove I&#039;m wrong!&quot; Never respond to this, because life is too short, they won&#039;t change their beliefs, and they&#039;re insane.


Also, never gaze at clouds and ask what shapes they see. You will flee in terror.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/08/06/patheos-evangelical-blogger-says-el-paso-and-dayton-shootings-appear-to-be-false-flag-operations/#comment-103200">ken</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks. I managed to get there, with your help.</p>
<p>Ultimately, there is no arguing with conspiracy theorists, because they cheat. To wit, they make outrageous claims, then demand you prove they&#8217;re wrong. (Which will never convince them anyway, but&#8230;) In the reality-based world, it is generally understood that if one makes an extraordinary claim, the person making the claim has the burden of proof. </p>
<p>In Conspiracyland, extraordinary claims are their stock in trade. So the response is always &#8220;Prove I&#8217;m wrong!&#8221; Never respond to this, because life is too short, they won&#8217;t change their beliefs, and they&#8217;re insane.</p>
<p>Also, never gaze at clouds and ask what shapes they see. You will flee in terror.</p>
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		By: ken		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ken]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Aug 2019 18:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I for one am hoping Alex Jones has to make a &lt;strong&gt;HUGE&lt;/strong&gt; payout in his case.  I&#039;m betting that will start to curb some of this nonsense.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one am hoping Alex Jones has to make a <strong>HUGE</strong> payout in his case.  I&#8217;m betting that will start to curb some of this nonsense.</p>
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