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		By: Shawn Yates		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[That’s a terrible perspective.  Your focus is on the man, not the office.   Unless Jesus himself is running for President,  I must vote for the one that most supports his ideal beliefs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s a terrible perspective.  Your focus is on the man, not the office.   Unless Jesus himself is running for President,  I must vote for the one that most supports his ideal beliefs.</p>
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		By: BrendtWayneWaters		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2019 14:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/05/27/what-will-court-evangelicals-pray-on-trumps-special-day-of-prayer/#comment-102013&quot;&gt;jason&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;Try looking at it as if they got it correct.&quot; = &quot;Try looking at it as if the sun rises in the west.&quot;

The commenter has to posit the exact opposite of reality (and even admits as much with his &quot;as if&quot;) and then wants us to accept that notion in order to follow his &quot;point&quot;. Yeah, I&#039;m good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/05/27/what-will-court-evangelicals-pray-on-trumps-special-day-of-prayer/#comment-102013">jason</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;Try looking at it as if they got it correct.&#8221; = &#8220;Try looking at it as if the sun rises in the west.&#8221;</p>
<p>The commenter has to posit the exact opposite of reality (and even admits as much with his &#8220;as if&#8221;) and then wants us to accept that notion in order to follow his &#8220;point&#8221;. Yeah, I&#8217;m good.</p>
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		By: jason		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2019 04:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/05/27/what-will-court-evangelicals-pray-on-trumps-special-day-of-prayer/#comment-101753&quot;&gt;BrendtWayneWaters&lt;/a&gt;.

You might want to read what one of the commenters said on this website which you listed:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Try looking at it as if they got it correct. They weren’t saying the movie was based on specific cases. They were giving examples of cases representing the pressures Christians are facing. It was as if they were saying, “Oh you watched a movie about religious freedom, and you don’t think it’s an issue we face as believers? Here are some examples of our religious freedom under attack.” I think it’s safe to assume most viewers watched the movie before even knowing about most of those cases. So yes, “real life imitates reel life” is correct if you look at it in the correct context.

It seems you missed the entire premise of the movie. It wasn’t merely about saying the name of Jesus in a classroom. It was a much bigger message than that. The movie was entirely about the growing pressures the Church is facing – all because the Church has remained silent for too long. To quote a line from the movie: “If we sit by and do nothing, the pressure that we’re feeling today will mean persecution tomorrow. We’re at war.” They chose to write a story that reflected one of many scenarios – a story that still fit into the “God’s Not Dead” theme, proving His existence.
Again, it wasn’t specifically based on any particular case. It was “inspired” though, as you said, if we are looking at the principle of the matter and not the specific details.

Now, technically speaking, 15 Of the sited cases were examples of lawsuits against Christians or Christian values, not 11 as you stated. But at the end of the day, does it actually matter who sued who? Religious freedom is already written into the Constitution. Christians shouldn’t have to sue anyone to defend the right to live a Christian life. Unfortunately, more and more often, suing seems to be the only solution.
But that freedom has already been granted. And that is what the movie represented.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/05/27/what-will-court-evangelicals-pray-on-trumps-special-day-of-prayer/#comment-101753">BrendtWayneWaters</a>.</p>
<p>You might want to read what one of the commenters said on this website which you listed:</p>
<blockquote><p>Try looking at it as if they got it correct. They weren’t saying the movie was based on specific cases. They were giving examples of cases representing the pressures Christians are facing. It was as if they were saying, “Oh you watched a movie about religious freedom, and you don’t think it’s an issue we face as believers? Here are some examples of our religious freedom under attack.” I think it’s safe to assume most viewers watched the movie before even knowing about most of those cases. So yes, “real life imitates reel life” is correct if you look at it in the correct context.</p>
<p>It seems you missed the entire premise of the movie. It wasn’t merely about saying the name of Jesus in a classroom. It was a much bigger message than that. The movie was entirely about the growing pressures the Church is facing – all because the Church has remained silent for too long. To quote a line from the movie: “If we sit by and do nothing, the pressure that we’re feeling today will mean persecution tomorrow. We’re at war.” They chose to write a story that reflected one of many scenarios – a story that still fit into the “God’s Not Dead” theme, proving His existence.<br />
Again, it wasn’t specifically based on any particular case. It was “inspired” though, as you said, if we are looking at the principle of the matter and not the specific details.</p>
<p>Now, technically speaking, 15 Of the sited cases were examples of lawsuits against Christians or Christian values, not 11 as you stated. But at the end of the day, does it actually matter who sued who? Religious freedom is already written into the Constitution. Christians shouldn’t have to sue anyone to defend the right to live a Christian life. Unfortunately, more and more often, suing seems to be the only solution.<br />
But that freedom has already been granted. And that is what the movie represented.</p></blockquote>
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		By: jason		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2019 04:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;If the Democrats manage to wrestle back into power, they will replace Mr. Trump&#039;s immorality with their own brand: pushing every perversion as if it were normal: butchering unborn babies in a carnage that makes Hitler look like an amateur in the slaughtering business.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Unfortunately, Warren does not seem to care about that.  He is so fixated on his personal discomfort with evangelical Christian public figures, including Franklin Graham, and the Republican Party with Republican politicians.  It is no doubt that these people make mistakes, like all of us do, but their faults are so extremely overshadowed by Warren&#039;s high level of dislike for all conservatives that he is unable to realize his own shortcomings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If the Democrats manage to wrestle back into power, they will replace Mr. Trump&#8217;s immorality with their own brand: pushing every perversion as if it were normal: butchering unborn babies in a carnage that makes Hitler look like an amateur in the slaughtering business.</p></blockquote>
<p>Unfortunately, Warren does not seem to care about that.  He is so fixated on his personal discomfort with evangelical Christian public figures, including Franklin Graham, and the Republican Party with Republican politicians.  It is no doubt that these people make mistakes, like all of us do, but their faults are so extremely overshadowed by Warren&#8217;s high level of dislike for all conservatives that he is unable to realize his own shortcomings.</p>
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		By: edmund316		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jun 2019 03:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a believer in Jesus--it is so perplexing.  Last election, two dishonest people faced each other.  The American people spurned an honest liberal (Bernie Sanders) and an honest conservative (Ted Cruz).  Mr. Trump played on the pent up frustration, oppression, and anger of people who have had the liberal agenda of immorality, perversion, putting the value of animals above humans while butchering babies in the womb and making it so parents aren&#039;t even informed (where do I stop?)...Sadly, so sadly, the man who rode this wave of anger is dishonest, immoral, and rash.  

Yes, the liberal agenda of abortion, heavy taxation, endless social engineering, and the repression of religious influence on public life needs to be stopped (have any of them actually read George Washington&#039;s Farewell Address? ... …&quot;Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labour to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.  ’Tis substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule indeed extends with more or less force to every species of free Government. Who that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric&quot;...)

But &quot;conservative&quot; people  passed up decent politicians (as far as I can tell).  That is the American conservatives&#039; fault.  Liberals passed up an honest liberal and voted for a political hack.  That is their fault.

The real problem is the people of America.  A republic&#039;s government is a mirror of the people.  We are proud, warlike, immoral.  The Christians (remember, I am one) disobey the commands of their great Savior and Leader.  Their women dress no more modestly than the whore-like norm that has taken this country by storm in the last 50 years.  Their men are immoral, addicted to pornography, divorcing their wives and remarrying, using filthy language, and disobedient to the laws of the land.

Everyone forgets what really laid the foundation of what made this nation great.  The Great Awakening.  When multitudes repented of their sins.  And the 2nd Great Awakening.  And the general effect of &quot;thou shalt not&quot;, whether accompanied by the true born-again experience or not.

&quot;Let&#039;s get the Ten Commandments out of schools&quot; they said.  Let&#039;s open the floodgates of every and any depraved evil in school libraries, the internet, TV, movies, video games.  &quot;Let&#039;s make an amoral, non-religious generation&quot;, they said.  OK. And now, on both the Left, and the Right, we have the result, now old enough to begin to take power.  Hope you like the results, those of you who didn&#039;t heed George Washington&#039;s warning.  BTW if you push God out of life (individually or collectively) there is only one alternative: Satan.  Look at the carnage in our society.  Throwing billions of dollars at problems that are essentially spiritual, and only a change of heart through deliverance from the kingdom of darkness can fix.

The results of the last election are, really, irrelevant.  The majority of the populace voted for a dishonest woman who is vehemently in favor of butchering unborn children.  A minority (big enough to win the Electoral College) voted for a blustery, immoral man whose business dealings are one long string of dishonesty and worse.

The problem is the American people.  Our nation is sick with sin, and our political scene is just a symptom of that.  We are dishonest, greedy, immoral.  Those we choose to elect merely reflect that.

If the Democrats manage to wrestle back into power, they will replace Mr. Trump&#039;s immorality with their own brand: pushing every perversion as if it were normal: butchering unborn babies in a carnage that makes Hitler look like an amateur in the slaughtering business.

At this point, there is only one thing that will really change this nation: and that is another revival.  Money, programs, or a change of parties won&#039;t fix it.  Can&#039;t anybody see that?  Back and forth we go.  Republicans in power, until people get sick of it.  Democrats in power until people get sick of that.  Voters get jaded--but do not see the problem.

To quote an old cartoon: &quot;We have met the enemy--and he is us.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a believer in Jesus&#8211;it is so perplexing.  Last election, two dishonest people faced each other.  The American people spurned an honest liberal (Bernie Sanders) and an honest conservative (Ted Cruz).  Mr. Trump played on the pent up frustration, oppression, and anger of people who have had the liberal agenda of immorality, perversion, putting the value of animals above humans while butchering babies in the womb and making it so parents aren&#8217;t even informed (where do I stop?)&#8230;Sadly, so sadly, the man who rode this wave of anger is dishonest, immoral, and rash.  </p>
<p>Yes, the liberal agenda of abortion, heavy taxation, endless social engineering, and the repression of religious influence on public life needs to be stopped (have any of them actually read George Washington&#8217;s Farewell Address? &#8230; …&#8221;Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labour to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.  ’Tis substantially true, that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. The rule indeed extends with more or less force to every species of free Government. Who that is a sincere friend to it, can look with indifference upon attempts to shake the foundation of the fabric&#8221;&#8230;)</p>
<p>But &#8220;conservative&#8221; people  passed up decent politicians (as far as I can tell).  That is the American conservatives&#8217; fault.  Liberals passed up an honest liberal and voted for a political hack.  That is their fault.</p>
<p>The real problem is the people of America.  A republic&#8217;s government is a mirror of the people.  We are proud, warlike, immoral.  The Christians (remember, I am one) disobey the commands of their great Savior and Leader.  Their women dress no more modestly than the whore-like norm that has taken this country by storm in the last 50 years.  Their men are immoral, addicted to pornography, divorcing their wives and remarrying, using filthy language, and disobedient to the laws of the land.</p>
<p>Everyone forgets what really laid the foundation of what made this nation great.  The Great Awakening.  When multitudes repented of their sins.  And the 2nd Great Awakening.  And the general effect of &#8220;thou shalt not&#8221;, whether accompanied by the true born-again experience or not.</p>
<p>&#8220;Let&#8217;s get the Ten Commandments out of schools&#8221; they said.  Let&#8217;s open the floodgates of every and any depraved evil in school libraries, the internet, TV, movies, video games.  &#8220;Let&#8217;s make an amoral, non-religious generation&#8221;, they said.  OK. And now, on both the Left, and the Right, we have the result, now old enough to begin to take power.  Hope you like the results, those of you who didn&#8217;t heed George Washington&#8217;s warning.  BTW if you push God out of life (individually or collectively) there is only one alternative: Satan.  Look at the carnage in our society.  Throwing billions of dollars at problems that are essentially spiritual, and only a change of heart through deliverance from the kingdom of darkness can fix.</p>
<p>The results of the last election are, really, irrelevant.  The majority of the populace voted for a dishonest woman who is vehemently in favor of butchering unborn children.  A minority (big enough to win the Electoral College) voted for a blustery, immoral man whose business dealings are one long string of dishonesty and worse.</p>
<p>The problem is the American people.  Our nation is sick with sin, and our political scene is just a symptom of that.  We are dishonest, greedy, immoral.  Those we choose to elect merely reflect that.</p>
<p>If the Democrats manage to wrestle back into power, they will replace Mr. Trump&#8217;s immorality with their own brand: pushing every perversion as if it were normal: butchering unborn babies in a carnage that makes Hitler look like an amateur in the slaughtering business.</p>
<p>At this point, there is only one thing that will really change this nation: and that is another revival.  Money, programs, or a change of parties won&#8217;t fix it.  Can&#8217;t anybody see that?  Back and forth we go.  Republicans in power, until people get sick of it.  Democrats in power until people get sick of that.  Voters get jaded&#8211;but do not see the problem.</p>
<p>To quote an old cartoon: &#8220;We have met the enemy&#8211;and he is us.&#8221;</p>
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