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		By: Tsc Admin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 May 2019 09:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/04/29/poll-59-of-white-evangelical-will-definitely-vote-for-trump-in-2020/#comment-101629&quot;&gt;seashell&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for that - I despise the Breitbart lot and will re-do my investigation on the issue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/04/29/poll-59-of-white-evangelical-will-definitely-vote-for-trump-in-2020/#comment-101629">seashell</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for that &#8211; I despise the Breitbart lot and will re-do my investigation on the issue.</p>
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		By: stan schmunk		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 02:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/04/29/poll-59-of-white-evangelical-will-definitely-vote-for-trump-in-2020/#comment-101107&quot;&gt;Rusty Leonard&lt;/a&gt;.

He won because he paid off Stormy and Karen although I think that evangelicals would&#039;ve stayed with him as they are now.]]></description>
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<p>He won because he paid off Stormy and Karen although I think that evangelicals would&#8217;ve stayed with him as they are now.</p>
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		By: stan schmunk		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2019 02:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/04/29/poll-59-of-white-evangelical-will-definitely-vote-for-trump-in-2020/#comment-101410&quot;&gt;Tsc Admin&lt;/a&gt;.

And you believed him?]]></description>
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<p>And you believed him?</p>
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		By: stan schmunk		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2019 22:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/04/29/poll-59-of-white-evangelical-will-definitely-vote-for-trump-in-2020/#comment-101410&quot;&gt;Tsc Admin&lt;/a&gt;.

And you believed him?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/04/29/poll-59-of-white-evangelical-will-definitely-vote-for-trump-in-2020/#comment-101410">Tsc Admin</a>.</p>
<p>And you believed him?</p>
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		By: donjonesmd		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 May 2019 18:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[World Magazine has some interesting and helpful data regarding Trump and his supporters. World states &quot;Pundits have written abundantly about evangelical support of Donald Trump, but they’ve mostly gotten it wrong.&quot; World reports that they ran a survey of evangelical leaders in 2015 which showed almost zero initial support for Trump. It wasn&#039;t until it was a face-off between Trump &#038; Hillary Clinton that Trump picked up broad support from church-going evangelicals and the reason, according to World, was the Supreme Court.

According to research found in Timothy Carney&#039;s books (as reported by World) &quot;Alienated America&quot; (Harper 2019) Trump&#039;s support while seeking the Republican nomination came from &quot;white evangelicals who do not go to church.&quot; Carney&#039;s research shows that &quot;two out of 3 of most frequent church attenders voted against Trump, but nearly 2 out of 3 of those who call themselves evangelicals but never go to church (a contradiction in terms) voted for him.&quot;

His point of broad brush identification of a &quot;white evangelical&quot; is an important observation. It is important to differentiate with those who self identify as evangelical and those who are truly &quot;practicing&quot; evangelicals. Carney points out that Trump did the worst in highly churched Sioux County, Iowa for example, as compared to other counties in Iowa. 

The article in World goes on to point out that Trump&#039;s strongest support came from those &quot;unlikely to be in church but highly likely to say religion was important to them.&quot; 

By the way, early on World took a significant amount of heat because they went on record to discourage voting for Trump. You can check out the rest of the article here: https://world.wng.org/2019/04/unchurched_election

I have some friends who are pretty staunch Trump fans. However, I have many more (who would be classified as evangelical regular church attenders) who take issue with a good bit of what Trump says and does, yet they feel they chose the least of the evils when it came down to Hillary or Trump. I think it is unfair and going too far to say &quot;that white evangelicals as a group see the world about like Donald Trump.&quot; At least there needs to be a clarification of the definition of &quot;white evangelical&quot; and I think the data shows that true evangelicals (those who go to church regularly) do not blindly buy into Trump and his agenda.

As far as Russian interference playing a part in the close election, I think the fake Steele Dossier played a significant part in the elections as well which has been funded by those who sought to influence the election. So perhaps it wouldn&#039;t have been as close had it not been that. It will be interesting to see what the results of AG&#039;s research into how the Steele&#039;s dossier was funded and who pushed it.

Thanks for listening / reading]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>World Magazine has some interesting and helpful data regarding Trump and his supporters. World states &#8220;Pundits have written abundantly about evangelical support of Donald Trump, but they’ve mostly gotten it wrong.&#8221; World reports that they ran a survey of evangelical leaders in 2015 which showed almost zero initial support for Trump. It wasn&#8217;t until it was a face-off between Trump &amp; Hillary Clinton that Trump picked up broad support from church-going evangelicals and the reason, according to World, was the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>According to research found in Timothy Carney&#8217;s books (as reported by World) &#8220;Alienated America&#8221; (Harper 2019) Trump&#8217;s support while seeking the Republican nomination came from &#8220;white evangelicals who do not go to church.&#8221; Carney&#8217;s research shows that &#8220;two out of 3 of most frequent church attenders voted against Trump, but nearly 2 out of 3 of those who call themselves evangelicals but never go to church (a contradiction in terms) voted for him.&#8221;</p>
<p>His point of broad brush identification of a &#8220;white evangelical&#8221; is an important observation. It is important to differentiate with those who self identify as evangelical and those who are truly &#8220;practicing&#8221; evangelicals. Carney points out that Trump did the worst in highly churched Sioux County, Iowa for example, as compared to other counties in Iowa. </p>
<p>The article in World goes on to point out that Trump&#8217;s strongest support came from those &#8220;unlikely to be in church but highly likely to say religion was important to them.&#8221; </p>
<p>By the way, early on World took a significant amount of heat because they went on record to discourage voting for Trump. You can check out the rest of the article here: <a href="https://world.wng.org/2019/04/unchurched_election" rel="nofollow ugc">https://world.wng.org/2019/04/unchurched_election</a></p>
<p>I have some friends who are pretty staunch Trump fans. However, I have many more (who would be classified as evangelical regular church attenders) who take issue with a good bit of what Trump says and does, yet they feel they chose the least of the evils when it came down to Hillary or Trump. I think it is unfair and going too far to say &#8220;that white evangelicals as a group see the world about like Donald Trump.&#8221; At least there needs to be a clarification of the definition of &#8220;white evangelical&#8221; and I think the data shows that true evangelicals (those who go to church regularly) do not blindly buy into Trump and his agenda.</p>
<p>As far as Russian interference playing a part in the close election, I think the fake Steele Dossier played a significant part in the elections as well which has been funded by those who sought to influence the election. So perhaps it wouldn&#8217;t have been as close had it not been that. It will be interesting to see what the results of AG&#8217;s research into how the Steele&#8217;s dossier was funded and who pushed it.</p>
<p>Thanks for listening / reading</p>
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		By: seashell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2019 20:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/04/29/poll-59-of-white-evangelical-will-definitely-vote-for-trump-in-2020/#comment-101539&quot;&gt;Tsc Admin&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt;I&#039;ve read that minority employment is at an all time high, which was among my goals in voting for him.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s mostly at an all time high. But, you have to see the whole picture: (a) the trend started in 2010, 7 years before Trump, and (b) black unemployment rates mirrors those of whites, except theirs is around twice as high. That&#039;s still true. I&#039;m not sure how Trump gets credit for a trend that began in 2010. See chart below from &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.reuters.com/article/us-world-work-minority-employment-insigh/trump-is-right-jobs-for-black-americans-abound-heres-why-it-may-not-last-idUSKCN1NV0CM&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Reuters&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt; If his opponent is a pro-China elite again with a storied history of getting caught taking money from the government of China then I will vote for Trump a second time.&lt;/i&gt;

Why would you base your vote on a Peter Schweizer fairy tale? He&#039;s the editor of Breitbart and Bannon&#039;s friend. And the originator of this dubious theory.

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<p><i>I&#8217;ve read that minority employment is at an all time high, which was among my goals in voting for him.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s mostly at an all time high. But, you have to see the whole picture: (a) the trend started in 2010, 7 years before Trump, and (b) black unemployment rates mirrors those of whites, except theirs is around twice as high. That&#8217;s still true. I&#8217;m not sure how Trump gets credit for a trend that began in 2010. See chart below from <a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-world-work-minority-employment-insigh/trump-is-right-jobs-for-black-americans-abound-heres-why-it-may-not-last-idUSKCN1NV0CM" rel="nofollow">Reuters</a>.</p>
<p><i> If his opponent is a pro-China elite again with a storied history of getting caught taking money from the government of China then I will vote for Trump a second time.</i></p>
<p>Why would you base your vote on a Peter Schweizer fairy tale? He&#8217;s the editor of Breitbart and Bannon&#8217;s friend. And the originator of this dubious theory.</p>
<p> <a href="https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/05c4515ffea11ce4cbe95745a1a06ef42660e3dc8d116c17e2e2bbe58273341c.png" rel="nofollow ugc">https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/05c4515ffea11ce4cbe95745a1a06ef42660e3dc8d116c17e2e2bbe58273341c.png</a></p>
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		By: Tsc Admin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 May 2019 18:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/04/29/poll-59-of-white-evangelical-will-definitely-vote-for-trump-in-2020/#comment-101458&quot;&gt;seashell&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve read that minority employment is at an all time high, which was among my goals in voting for him.  If his opponent has an even better plan to achieve this than what Trump is doing in trade then there&#039;s a very good chance I will vote for his opponent.  If his opponent is a pro-China elite again with a storied history of getting caught taking money from the government of China then I will vote for Trump a second time.  So for all our sakes let&#039;s hope it&#039;s not Biden or Clinton.

I payed thousands of dollars and a significant portion of my income last year in tariffs to the Treasury from Trump&#039;s trade war with China, my money is very much where my mouth is.  The tariffs actually were announced after my shipments were inbound which meant I had to borrow money to pay them too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/04/29/poll-59-of-white-evangelical-will-definitely-vote-for-trump-in-2020/#comment-101458">seashell</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read that minority employment is at an all time high, which was among my goals in voting for him.  If his opponent has an even better plan to achieve this than what Trump is doing in trade then there&#8217;s a very good chance I will vote for his opponent.  If his opponent is a pro-China elite again with a storied history of getting caught taking money from the government of China then I will vote for Trump a second time.  So for all our sakes let&#8217;s hope it&#8217;s not Biden or Clinton.</p>
<p>I payed thousands of dollars and a significant portion of my income last year in tariffs to the Treasury from Trump&#8217;s trade war with China, my money is very much where my mouth is.  The tariffs actually were announced after my shipments were inbound which meant I had to borrow money to pay them too.</p>
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		By: seashell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2019 14:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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Would you vote for him again? So far the only people that have benefitted from Trump&#039;s &#039;policies&#039; have been millionaires and billionaires, not oppressed workers. Nada on wage stagnation.]]></description>
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<p>Would you vote for him again? So far the only people that have benefitted from Trump&#8217;s &#8216;policies&#8217; have been millionaires and billionaires, not oppressed workers. Nada on wage stagnation.</p>
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		By: Mark Landes		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2019 16:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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I agree I was very sad to her of her death.]]></description>
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<p>I agree I was very sad to her of her death.</p>
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		By: Reflex		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 May 2019 03:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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I mean sure, if you are going to go with the non-legal definitions of refugee and asylum seeker I guess.]]></description>
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<p>I mean sure, if you are going to go with the non-legal definitions of refugee and asylum seeker I guess.</p>
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