My problem is with people like you and sam80, who keep making excuses for Trump and trying to say he is just like all the other politicians when clearly he is not.

In much the same way that sam80 was trying to equate Barton and D’Souza with Zinn and Chomsky. Trying to obfuscate the glaring and salient differences by focusing on the similarities that aren’t relevant to the topic.

Yeah, I get it. I’m just not as worked up about Trump as you are. The country elected Donald Trump, and he’s acting like Donald Trump. I don’t see the purpose of the perpetual apoplexy over the fact that he behaves precisely like one would expect, and I suspect that it is actually very useful to his cause. Truthfully, I am more concerned for the psychological well being of some friends in the event that he is re-elected, which is not at all unlikely. They are already in a toxic spiral.

None of the other people you mentioned in this post have ability to launch a nuclear strike to assuage their egos. None of them are hurting the integrity of the US because their lies make them look like buffoons.

It matters WHAT the lies are and WHY they are told. The fact that you don’t understand the difference between Trump’s lies and the lies of other politicians says more about you than them.

It matters WHAT the lies are and WHY they are told. The fact that you don’t understand the difference between Trump’s lies and the lies of other politicians says more about you than them.

“Same” doesn’t enter into it. Is Trump more corrosive? Probably in some ways. But I believe Bill Clinton is a rapist. Period. His wife might be worse. Listening to the likes of a criminally dishonest man like James Clapper talking about integrity and criticizing Trump is comedic. The CIA and FBI have long histories of acting against Americans in appalling ways. But now we are supposed to regard them as a bunch of Sheriff Andy Taylors? I just don’t buy it. Bill Kristol is going to get sanctimonious about things after the foolish, arrogant neo-conservative furnace he’d been stoking from the sidelines, and which cost so many thousands and thousands of lives? I find myself incapable of having so much contempt for Trump that I can take these jackasses seriously.

Ken, does it really matter which politician tell more or less outrageous lies? I am not saying that Trump’s lies are exactly the same as let’s say Obama’s but they are still lies in general

Then why were you supporting sam80’s implication that what Trump is doing is the same as every other president?

I do, indeed. And understand, I am no fan of Donald Trump. He says a lot of ridiculous things. I just don’t like getting lied to by any politician, and I don’t care how slick or articulate they are.

Trying to claim Trump’s lies are the same as other political lies is just covering up for Trump. What Trump does isn’t even close to what other politicians have done. Do you understand what the term “gaslighting” means?