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	Comments on: Harvest Bible Chapel Responds to Anne Green&#8217;s Allegations	</title>
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		By: John Cargill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Cargill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2019 14:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100113&quot;&gt;David&lt;/a&gt;.

Absolutely not.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100113">David</a>.</p>
<p>Absolutely not.</p>
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		By: John Cargill		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Cargill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2019 14:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100114&quot;&gt;WillysJeepMan&lt;/a&gt;.

Pretty sure James preached on the issue of the Agags in our lives on at least ONE occasion.  A rather inconvenient message for him/them now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100114">WillysJeepMan</a>.</p>
<p>Pretty sure James preached on the issue of the Agags in our lives on at least ONE occasion.  A rather inconvenient message for him/them now.</p>
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		By: Bene D		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bene D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2019 14:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100111&quot;&gt;Tacitus&lt;/a&gt;.

Yeah. That was an outstanding letter, clear, biblical and direct.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100111">Tacitus</a>.</p>
<p>Yeah. That was an outstanding letter, clear, biblical and direct.</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2019 12:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sandy Song was the other worship leader on the plane. So Harvest makes an offer for her to meet with an HR rep, perhaps Todd Rukes the head of HR, and an Elder&#039;s wife. Would you recommend that Anne participate in that? Is that an unbiased independent sexual harassment investigation?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy Song was the other worship leader on the plane. So Harvest makes an offer for her to meet with an HR rep, perhaps Todd Rukes the head of HR, and an Elder&#8217;s wife. Would you recommend that Anne participate in that? Is that an unbiased independent sexual harassment investigation?</p>
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		By: WillysJeepMan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2019 11:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100107&quot;&gt;Mickey&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree. This is a slow-motion free-fall version of the Mars Hill implosion. A cult of personality cannot survive when the personality is gone.

Technically, it is not too late for the church to recover. Historically though, when a church spirals down this far, they have passed the &quot;event horizon&quot; and beyond the point of no return.

What would it take for HBC to recover?  A miracle.  It would require all of the leadership to confess and repent of their part in enabling James and being his accomplices.  And having confessed and repented, stepping down.  Not one person in that group can remain. (think Saul and his preserving King Agag)

The congregants need to reflect and consider what warning signs they saw that they dismissed or allowed themselves to be convinced weren&#039;t a problem. This is a great time for growth for the individual members of the church.  They should reach out to their friends who DID see those things (when they didn&#039;t)... find out from them how they were able to see those things, and learn those lessons. 

The challenge after that is for the congregation to identify those men who ARE Biblically qualified to lead the church.  As a congregation, they lack discernment because they&#039;ve been disarmed of their discernment by James and his leadership. Years of gaslighting and manipulation will have that effect.  I&#039;m confident that there are men there who are faithful and qualified to lead... will the congregation be able to see that?

That&#039;s the catch-22.

I&#039;ve heard some talk about recruiting Dave Corning to come back to lead the work of rebuilding the church. I can&#039;t think of anyone more gifted and qualified to lead that work. That&#039;s something specific that I can pray for... him or someone who is as well-respected as he is.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100107">Mickey</a>.</p>
<p>I agree. This is a slow-motion free-fall version of the Mars Hill implosion. A cult of personality cannot survive when the personality is gone.</p>
<p>Technically, it is not too late for the church to recover. Historically though, when a church spirals down this far, they have passed the &#8220;event horizon&#8221; and beyond the point of no return.</p>
<p>What would it take for HBC to recover?  A miracle.  It would require all of the leadership to confess and repent of their part in enabling James and being his accomplices.  And having confessed and repented, stepping down.  Not one person in that group can remain. (think Saul and his preserving King Agag)</p>
<p>The congregants need to reflect and consider what warning signs they saw that they dismissed or allowed themselves to be convinced weren&#8217;t a problem. This is a great time for growth for the individual members of the church.  They should reach out to their friends who DID see those things (when they didn&#8217;t)&#8230; find out from them how they were able to see those things, and learn those lessons. </p>
<p>The challenge after that is for the congregation to identify those men who ARE Biblically qualified to lead the church.  As a congregation, they lack discernment because they&#8217;ve been disarmed of their discernment by James and his leadership. Years of gaslighting and manipulation will have that effect.  I&#8217;m confident that there are men there who are faithful and qualified to lead&#8230; will the congregation be able to see that?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the catch-22.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard some talk about recruiting Dave Corning to come back to lead the work of rebuilding the church. I can&#8217;t think of anyone more gifted and qualified to lead that work. That&#8217;s something specific that I can pray for&#8230; him or someone who is as well-respected as he is.</p>
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		By: Tacitus		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tacitus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2019 05:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100110&quot;&gt;Bene D&lt;/a&gt;.

Inevitable, really. Their position was untenable the moment their father was removed in disgrace. Dynastic ministries are never a good thing. If they&#039;re good pastors, and not there because daddy was the senior pastor (who am I kidding, of course they were), there are plenty of other churches out there where they can ply their trade.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100110">Bene D</a>.</p>
<p>Inevitable, really. Their position was untenable the moment their father was removed in disgrace. Dynastic ministries are never a good thing. If they&#8217;re good pastors, and not there because daddy was the senior pastor (who am I kidding, of course they were), there are plenty of other churches out there where they can ply their trade.</p>
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		By: Tacitus		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100111</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2019 05:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow, that letter to the elders from Mark Banaszak (representing 30+ members) is well worth reading. It shows just how tepid the response from the current leadership team was, and how much further they&#039;ll have to go to win back the congregation.

http://julieroys.com/james-macdonalds-sons-resign-shakeup-harvest-continues/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that letter to the elders from Mark Banaszak (representing 30+ members) is well worth reading. It shows just how tepid the response from the current leadership team was, and how much further they&#8217;ll have to go to win back the congregation.</p>
<p><a href="http://julieroys.com/james-macdonalds-sons-resign-shakeup-harvest-continues/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://julieroys.com/james-macdonalds-sons-resign-shakeup-harvest-continues/</a></p>
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		By: Bene D		</title>
		<link>https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100110</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bene D]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2019 01:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[James MacDonald&#039;s two sons, Landon and Luke resigned from Harvest Bible Chapel this evening. (Tuesday)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James MacDonald&#8217;s two sons, Landon and Luke resigned from Harvest Bible Chapel this evening. (Tuesday)</p>
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		By: Tsc Admin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2019 20:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100088&quot;&gt;Benny S.&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, and he probably is the one who &quot;interviewed&quot; the other two.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100088">Benny S.</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, and he probably is the one who &#8220;interviewed&#8221; the other two.</p>
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		By: Tsc Admin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tsc Admin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2019 19:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100104&quot;&gt;Mr Jesperson&lt;/a&gt;.

hypocrite: one who puts on a mask and acts on a stage for the amusement of a passive audience.

Messiah Yeshua sure had their number, didn&#039;t He?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://wthrockmorton.com/2019/02/18/harvest-bible-chapel-responds-to-anne-greens-allegations/#comment-100104">Mr Jesperson</a>.</p>
<p>hypocrite: one who puts on a mask and acts on a stage for the amusement of a passive audience.</p>
<p>Messiah Yeshua sure had their number, didn&#8217;t He?</p>
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